Then we wouldn’t have anything to talk about! 
Ofcourse we do!
When I read genesis and I see things like "And god made space, and it separated between the water that was under the space and the water that was above the space. Genesis 1:7
And I come to understand that Genesis means that above the sky is a body of water and god created space(atmosphere) between that body of water and the water we have on earth, then I cannot help but doubt and question the legitimacy of the bible. The more I think about it the more I see it was written by ancient minds and not an eternal, all knowing one.
There is no way one may take the bible on faith. Either it holds water or it does not. And if there is but a single thing such as eggs not being in the right order then there is no way a man may sincerly believe it is legitimate.
This is the biggest dellusion human beings love to nurture. I was one of them for 19 years of my life. I reasoned well if I don’t understand anything now god will explain it all to me when I die. Hoi polloi! The biggest cop out to putting yourself to ease at not knowing.
heather:
i see no reason whatsoever to believe the bible more than my science books,
my science books actually correspond to my perception, and by the way, the food on your table and the medicins you get from the apotheker and the construction of your house are results from science…
lately, i haven’t seen much constructive contributes to society that originated from the bible…
(there’s, by the way, far more sciences than you seem to think heather…)
Undergroundman:
love you too
greetz to yall…
willem
Sorry, heather, but you really do not understand what science is if you make a claim such as this. You may wish to look up what a theory is, because the way you use it here in no way reflects its use in science. Fruthermore, I don’t think you appreciate what the scientific method is. In any case, physics, one of your “indefinite sciences” which “never disagrees with the Bible”, contradicts Genesis.
As for your example with the cake-making, that sounds like typical obscurantism. What makes you think humans cannot handle the truth about the history of the universe? But going along with it, for the moment, you imply that God has given us a “dumbed down” version of how the universe started - where is this? One cannot back up the authority of the Bible by appeal to that authority.
So what should we tell children? “SHUT UP AND DO WHAT I SAY! DON’T QUESTION AUTHORITY! YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEEK YOUR OWN TRUTH! ACCEPT WHAT YOU ARE TOLD! HOW DARE YOU ASK ME TO EXPLAIN MYSELF TO YOU, YOU WORTHLESS WORM! IF YOU DON’T SEE THE FNORD IT CAN’T EAT YOU!”
“Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called KNOWLEDGE”?! WHAT?!
I’m going to be blunt, heather, you are ignorant. Odds are your children are ignorant too because of this. Buts what worse is you advocate ignorance. So ponder this:
“How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think.”-Adolf Hitler
I have a lot of knowledge so by definition I am not ignorant. My children are not ignorant, my family is not ignorant you know what my dog is pretty smart too. If you have children then you know how it feels when your children deliberately go against the good guidance and love you have given them. If you don’t have children, then you are speaking out of ignorance. If you are not a parent, You wouldn’t have a clue as to what is frustrating as a parent. If you have children, youre pretty lucky that your children never frustrate you.
Attention: All parents on this website, if your children frustrate you by disobeying your loving guidlines and rules, Lanky Wanky announces that we are all ignorant. And by the words of a great humanitarian Ruler, Adolfe Hitler, who never killed Jews according to his rules, we will be a society of fools.
So Yes, I guess if you think rules and guidance is a reason to call someone ignorant.
Heather,
I apologize for calling your children ignorant, and i did not mean to imply that anyone else in your family or your pets are ignorant.
The reason i think you are ignorant is not because you do not have knowledge, but because you reject it. You, like many religious-types, seem to be very close minded when it comes to a person’s right to find their own way in life. I do not have children, and I don’t want to judge you as a parent, especially since I have never even observed your parenting skills, but i would be very pleased my child’s inquisitiveness and thirst for knowledge. Why are you frustrated by a child’s desire to learn and understand? What is wrong with a child who thinks freely and opposes convention? I don’t think there is anything wrong with providing structure for a child but wouldn’t you rather a child find answers for themselves, then merely accept everything they are fed (even if it is cake)?
As for this:
I thought it was obvious why I included this quote, but i guess i have to spell it out. I was not advocating any of Hitlers ideas
I was comparing you and Timothy to Hitler, because all three of you are in favor of suppressing knowledge, dissent, free thinking and questioning authority.
If you do not think for yourself, then who is going to think for you?
I’m sorry for taking this thread off on a tangent. I’m starting a new topic for heather and i’s little disagreement.
I think Pope has some very good points. But the thing is Pope do not forget that we are all ignorant of a great multitude of things and of always much more then we know. “True knowledge is to know that you know nothing” -Confusious.
I believe a person should not be judged based on their ignorance but based on their character or I.E. reaction to their own ignorance. If they despise it then they have my respect thats for sure.
I’ll share a little anecdote my father once told me. He was telling me of a proffessor he had that was always calling himself stupid. The problem was my father along with many others thought the man was brilliant and they could not understand why he always called himself stupid. So they asked him one day “sir why is it that you constantly call yourself stupid when it is evident that you are so smart?” The proffessor said come look here. He drew a small cricle on the blackboard pointed and said “this is how much you know.” Then he drew a bigger circle next to it and said “this is how much I know.” Following this he drew a circle around the first smaller one and said “this is how much you don’t know.” Then he drew an even bigger circle around his own and said “this is how much I don’t know.” 
very good, undergroundman, very well said…
The Bible doesn’t say that the universe was created in seven earth days.
Neither does it include the creation of the universe in those days.
The time period before the begining of the first day spanned the necessary billions of years which science detects as the age of the universe.
The Hebrew word for “day” does not necessarily have to refer to an earth day anyway. It is an indetewrminate time period. we are told that Adam died in the very “day” he sinned. But that day was 1000 years long.
exactly…
say radrook, the things with the timing… there’s been a discussion about that
how about you give your view on it… just scroll up, it may be on the first page as well…
According to all major Jewish comentators throughout history the consensus has always been that that is exactly what it means. 6 24 hour earth days. The only one distinction is that it is from the perspective of the author of the Torah presumably god therefore from his vantage point not ours. And time from his view point is different from ours which we know thanks to relativity.
Yet if you read the above posts as willim pointed out you’ll notice that even such applications of time to make it billions of years falls short of the right order of events.
Why bother trying to align the myth from the book of Genesis with current scientific theories?
If you believe that the Bible is the literal and perfect Word of God, then who gives a rats ass about current scientific theories? If it is true, then it is just true and nothing else matters.
Why bother trying to explain the it in the current terms of science?
Or has faith been a little weak recently?
Maybe science has more authority or more creduility that the Bible, these days?
Personally, I think that we should avoid reading myths as if they were newspaper articles.