Creation is not the fundament and origin of reality…
Creation; the action or process of bringing something into existence.
Creation is a process, you take a thing and make it into another thing. You cannot have nothing and make something, not causally. Any process is a finite operation, even if potentially endless like a fractal, the maths of fractals is finite, you have to begin the process in order to attain a fractal.
Eternity/divinity/infinity has no beginning or end! No limits and no cardinality whatsoever. It is stateless.
Can it be a ‘force’? If there needed to be a force such to instigate effect, that in turn would require an instigator, ad infinitum. The only ‘force’ that cannot make effect, could be a singular force. Multiple forces would have a measurable effect, but a truly universal force would be immeasurable [any measure would fit]. Something drives the universe both into existence in the big bang, and sustains it [expansion].
Even a singular ‘force’ of creation still suffers that we cannot observe its effect except in the general sense, and we still have to get past the prime-mover issue.
I can only conclude that eternity [having no finite utility] is not a creation force nor creator.it is non-effecting in every sense except if we consider it benign. If it has no force or instrument/tools of creation, it cannot make effect - directly. So i am left wondering if a benign [non-effecting] eternal has some manner of presence like the Tao in purest form? Something outside of causal existence made the universe [even if cyclic or infinite] occur, and it did it without creating existence with something not in the universe and not existent. Causality had to have its own cause, which must mean the universe is or belongs to the thing by which it came into being.
What am i saying, if there can be no first cause, and that there is causality, there must always be cause. Therefore creation is eternal and is the base of all things.
Then you have a prime mover, which doesn’t hold up. on the other hand we have creation as an eternal, yet the universe did begin and has its own causality [makes sense to itself]?
For me the argument goes beneath causality, which in view of relativity and QM we have to say is an appearance but not the real nature of reality ~ its all a lot more fluid in every way than our mathematical thinking denotes.
Creation is on ongoing, eternal process that never began and can never end. The reason it happens, although difficult for most to understand, has a common name. They call it “God”.
does the universe not have its own cause? and is not infinity the base? ergo eternity is not a God nor a prime mover. it is open and part of reality, it is also fundamental to our subjective reality ~ our heart if you will. if it is God, that kind of denies access to eternity, and makes it not part of what we are spiritually. this for me is like taking the spirit away.
“Its own cause” is the only cause. And infinity is involved. Ergo, that cause, called “God”, is eternal and the primary cause (“First Cause”) of the creation process. Thus God is said to be “The Creator”.
Yes, God is a part of Reality and fundamental to one’s heart (whether they want it to be or not).
That is where you disconnected. How does God deny access to eternity or remove spirituality?
^^ the pathetic fallacy is a cold look at the world purely as objects, and does not allow for what they mean to us or potential usage in poetry to define something else. would have been better if poets kept the metaphors in imho. this is part of why the world is so dispassionate, we have forsaken meaning for objects and that ultimately doesn’t even make sense [first cause - lack of which denies causality - ultimately].
james
If God occupies the space which is eternity, that kinda fills it up ~ which is my concern here. We could say that the kingdom of heaven is within, but that’s not the same thing if the soul cannot attain eternity. Equally i consider eternity to be the base of all things, hence is our heart, the core of our subjectivity.
It could be a shared space of course, but that sounds like an entirely different religion to anything out there [Socrates might have known what i meant though].
People’s own limitations are present in their ideas and emotions.
It’s not that we wanted to be wrong about God, it’s that we could only be wrong at the moment.
That is why they can’t properly apply or understand any sort of infinite.
Well ok if you think eternity is more than one thing, but for me if eternity is two or more things then it has cardinality and is not the greatest thing. This in turn would mean something else is greater than eternity and we are back to square one.
