Creative with happiness...

I intend here to flex my creative impulse with ‘happiness’ :slight_smile:. The very nature of happiness ‘may’ have been covered to a significant extent previously, maybe ‘genuine/true happiness’, however what most comes to mind is the core essentials of happiness, illust of this is:

SEROTONIN & DOPAMINE = Technically, the only two things you enjoy. :slight_smile:

Let us revest the whole argument and take a more poetic prose in regards to the very humane perspective of the meaning of happiness, that is, what makes one happy asides from mere endorphins or neurotransmitters. It would be a nice notion if we could bluenose the very aspect of happiness so as to provide a regulation/supervision so as to permanently protect any incumbent from any aspect associated with hurt whatsoever – but how does one achieve this state of mental eutopia? Brainwashing techniques, conditioning methods, scene setting and regular routines are all aspects that have been covered before which in turn attempts to mouzle and suppress the very undesired thoughts we so much detest. In some cases such a notion can seem altogether much impossible, and as the blasbeu individual that some may be it may be attempted by some to criticise every such notion of ‘mental eutopia’ as being attainable – I beg to differ.

The point and purpose of achieving true happiness is to ensure the very nature of longevity given an expanse of afterlives without any notion of a physical of immaterial hell being a detriment to our livelihood. One can become an outliver and confront hell or Satan outright provided the right mentality is pre-set through not only conditioning but determination and sheer will of their own. I do not intend to utilize poetastry to explain the very notion of happiness, but I am sure other forum members can excel in this regards to excellent standards. What I am instead proposing is that towards the path of ‘true happiness’ mayhap it is essential to embrace an unbuxomness of the self, that is, one should be utterly cruel to their own selves over a prolonged period as a means of conditioning for the worst. It is said that once one reaches rock bottom it becomes altogether much easier to tolerate the vestiges of hell and survive, given one is imposed to the vestiges of suicide. However, contrary to this view is the aspect that once a ‘low-point’ is reached it becomes all the much easier to re-reach it – so how does one avoid this downside? I would argue that the element of ‘hope’ is vital. Religion provides a key crucible to always instil hope and salvation, akin to a ‘safe-zone’, and ultimately, I argue, it is essential to validate the very existence of an afterlife and a better tomorrow as an inherent characteristic of the soul.

Atheists too can benefit from ‘divine hope’ as plausible afterlife existential proof can be made with reasoning without God playing a part of the equation – mayhap the very ethereal matter that comprises the self, and an incumbents own volition, is all that is necessary to always guide an individual towards hope of a better tomorrow. Atheists may still insist on squelching the thought of an afterlife or a better tomorrow, in this case it may be necessary to build their (the sufferer’s) mentality as to becoming extremely ‘hard’. Sometimes focusing on ‘hate’ itself, vengeance, payback is enough to keep one going – however my argument is that the very nature of ‘hate’ is in conflicting interests to the aspect of happiness but when seen in the sense that through setting a moral example of being ‘uttermost good’ can bring fruitful returns then indeed we start heading away from the path of hurt that hate creates, and instead we are able to dwell more on aspects of love and the very elemental ingredients that instil purpose in life, that is, hope, appreciation of life in all its forms, and bliss/nirvana.

In some instances drugs may provide an alternative path towards happiness, none of which I would consider permanent but mayhap a crucial catalyst in the process of conditioning. Instead of indulging in the pleasures of wine it could be deemed proper to deviate to other uvate drinking pleasures such as juice and cherish it for all its worth. By being in tune with our senses, whether it be smell, sight, touch or sound, we are then able to better appreciate each and every moment of life to the extent that one may indeed even experience nirvanic bliss at the thought of being stuck in solitary confinement cherishing the stone cold floor – if indeed put in prison encampments in some oppressed regions. I would argue that in seeking true happiness one should cherish the notion of becoming a superb individual, mayhap a super soldier in drastic circumstances. An example of this may derive from sensory deprivation of sorts, and for instance, in the quest of maintaining a healthy and fit body we could limit our primary food source to umbra and sacrifice more glorious taste sensations by justifying our behaviour through validated reasoning that serves a purpose. A ‘truly happy’ individual would be able to adjust his emotions so as to become a specializer to situations as he/she/it sees fit, whilst always aiming on the future for comfort (time is ‘essentially’ infinite is it not?).

It matters not how you look like, whether you are gifted with cirrigerous hair, have a decent body, or mayhap a different characteristic than the norm – whatever shape, origin, or size looks and characteristics can always be epitomized to suit certain environments or justified with character as optimum for alternate situations – the trick is to embrace your identity and make the best of it, and if need be utilize whatever means available to adjust as optimally able if desired (nothing is beyond goal). The world is a vast place, and throughout it there are individuals with different tastes, notions and desires, and finding a niche that is adjustable to your inherent self is not that hard and all it takes is a keen interest in procurement and communication by whatever means attainable. If the very aspect of your consciousness is so far gone as to equate to the vestiges of hell itself then mayhap an incapacitating experience may be necessary akin to a cerebrovascular accident – go out and binge drink just once or do something thrilling like skydiving, just examples.

When raising children some would argued that it is best to let them raise themselves, at least I was raised that way, completely unbespoken. I do not agree with such a notion because it can lead the individual to commit all the same errors your parents or affiliated individuals may have done in the past. Although it may be do wonders to character building I do believe that in properly guiding a conditioning natural process through correct discipline at from a young age remains as the better ethical protocol in nurturing. One indeed may become a pachyderm when it comes to pain, but in the quest of being completely in a state of superlativeness it is important to have the ability to feel empathy and sympathy for others to surreal levels. Eloquent speech, or methods of communication, can express these powerful emotions at an early age from a third person perspective, but even then we have to be wary that such perceptual acts of emotions do not infringe on our state of true happiness, for happiness equates to contentment of one’s life and henceforth eudaimonia I am led to believe. It is important to know what it is like to be ostracised, shunned down, or an outcast, but this only for temporal short periods only to be reflated again into a state of clarity and contentment which paves forth understanding on a higher degree. As a parent it is important to teach your children of the fallacies and fragility of the human body, mayhap even describe conditions such as pancreatic juice malfunctioning within the body, or whatever ailment by encouraging an inquisitiveness within individuals through questioning what they do not know.

In order to raise children to achieve true happiness at a very early age I would support the notion of being raised from multiple parents – this could take form of uncles, multiple spouses, mentors, or hired educators all with a role of divisiveness in educating what is most important. In that regard I would argue that true happiness is more closely associated with wisdom than intelligence, although one may aide the other or vice versa. I do not know yet how one can maintain a stranglehold onto a child’s development for fear of pushing children too hard or mayhap not allowing such critters to learn too much on their own. True happiness may be allusive in nature, and mayhap it is only by pure chance that one attains it, but again there is no proof that an individual that has attained the so called state of ‘true happiness’ cannot be simply broken down in spirits, but at least we can achieve a state that is close to it by remaining firm to ‘hope’. We need to up to snuff the aspect of true happiness, that is equate it to a standard of which we want to achieve. Buddha is said to have achieved this Nirvanic state as goes stories of Krishna and other plausible mythical deities – it is through role models that we can guide our path towards no hurt with mayhap Jesus Christ of Nazareth at the centrefold, epitomizing utter good and pure altruism in human form itself.

It is only through sheer incogitance that one achieves true happiness, and henceforth a desire not to ever be hurt has to be instilled early or later through a catalytic pivotal emotion that bears strong relation. Sometimes white lies can be deemed appropriate in raising children, and some fathers may have to conduct counterfesance in certain aspects of persona so as to instil greater respect and admiration thus becoming elementary role models. I do not believe that violence in any form is justifiable in instilling ultimate happiness, and I am well aware of notions from developing nations in which parents commit falanga, beating, and other acts of torture to try to discipline individuals for alleged causes of ‘greater good’ – the best remedy for punishment would be a reward principle and not negative reinforcement for the latter could cause routish behaviour in youth. Instead incumbents ought to be intituled to privileges if correct behaviour is demonstrated, and in order to warrant that individuals understand the hazards of violence maybe involve such prodigies in contact sport of sorts to experience pain first hand in a positive manner.

The problem of conditioning through hurt, misery, and pain is that it may exacerbate problems in the future in a psychological manner that may take years of counselling to recover from or mayhap remain unrecoverable from altogether. It should also be highly highlighted that individual suveranty is an immoral goal and altogether impossible if it does not align with the natural wants and needs of others – it is essential to be conscientious in all due certainty and hence know who the fundamental ‘you’ truly are. Failure to be aware of the ‘self’ in regards to what others may view you may distort the very element of your personality to grotesquerie and hence an abomination from the very nature of humanity – it is important to be in touch with one’s humanity 100%. A transition to a perfectly truly happy individual can be a suave transition and does not have to bring shock to one’s system, I argue that it can be an entertaining process and I would love to hear opinions as to how we can, on a grown adult, achieve this to be so.

Moved… to a more apt. forum.

LOL?
Mundane babble would be the appropiate section.

I’m sorry that I have no constructive ideas in that regard, I wrote a post which basically shows why it is that is so. It concerns itself with some of the same issue you presented, I would like to reread your above OP and try to address it in terms of my differing views, but first I’d like to get a quick impression of what you think of my post:

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My view hinges simply on how happiness is defined and interpreted. I do not believe happiness as once understood to mean can ever now be realized. There may be degrees of it, approximation of it, but it is the limiting factors of it which have become a slippery slope, for all, except those who see the limit not imposed upon by natural means.

Nature itself,has been violated and limited to nearly
An extent which is impossible to recapture. If one were to read proust today,(remebrences of things past) versus say 50 years ago, when it was still possible to reconstruct a lost world, then we can appreciate kant’s sense of the sublime. It has become ridiculous, to contemplate the so called golden age, because it has been reduced to a few archaeological stumps. That withstanding, the archeology of the soul, still, can be recaptured, and I think it is this recapturing, which is the remaining soothing balm of the soul.

I forgot about that, that is in fact a good response to the below.

 Right on.  However in deference to the self that others perceive begs on a reversal of qualitative and quantitative aspects of the self, which further indulge the underlying reversal of imminent/transcendent values.  Just because group think has established an acceptable level of communication, does not guarantee the fact that there will always not  be a market for mystics, hermits, philosophers, true professors of knowledge.  This is the big if, Percarus has to answer.




 On re reading one thing has come trough loud and clear.  And I am really starting to see the error of my ways as not justifying the intent of the OP' content, but rather, quip with a formalism that's totally unacceptable.

The fact is, that is brought up, among others, is the notion of reaching a bottom where from one can conceivably get out from under.  This state, once realized, will toughen the person, in order to be able to apprehend the harshness of real life experience with more insularity, and the highs of life's enjoyment need not reach for the extreme heights.

The level of enjoyment of life’s pleasures is not in itself a measurable quality, it is relative to a baseline of appreciation not individually tailored for all.

The objective of stasis in social realism in psychologically relational terms has been to use such key concepts as object relations. The objective has been to give credence to belief systems, by means of repetitious slogans, recognized symbols, etc.

The point being is that the object or objective(purpose) has been thrown around as hinging on a hidden spectrum between facts, values, and plans. There developed a hidden artificiality of connection between the real objects and the unreal, unattainable ones.

This is why, for instance, in young people particularly, the object relations occur systematically at a time when objects become increasingly tenuous, and confusingly unapprehensible. Society preys on this with a view to milk it for commercial value.

The happiness we are meant to appreciate becomes a function of this hidden variable, from which a disengagement becomes a necessity before a “bottom” can be appreciated. Even here, the bottom can become a faux, subliminal bottom.

  From my experience, with having known drug users, alcoholics , some of whom have acknowledged their bottoms, there seems to be a common thread:  the person landing in their very bottom of experience, seem to proceed to different courses:  there are those, who succeed in completing rehab, with very few if any reversals, then there are those who fall back and pretty much stay in that condition.

In the latter group, the ones having given up, some manage to do a reversal, whereby the use of drugs, they reach an artificial type of peak experience.

Hence artificiality prevading the objects of experience, objective realization becomes similar to a tricky course of avoiding distinguishable, or hidden pitfalls and hazards.

So happiness becomes more of a trick, either one set to auto suggest, or to modulate on all levels into a consistent, and acceptable norm, the subjective interpretations accorded to such a norm. Hence, a new objective re-evaluation, may result in a coping, which approximates apprehensions of what happiness feels like. Setting this into a mode of existence, the relativity of values may be overtly perceived, or, go unrecognized.

Assuming that happiness, in any sense of the word, is appreciable to the degree, where the factors relating to it’s attainment become a known quality, the more natural and least drug/alcohol/artificial can true happiness be appreciated. I am not demeaning drug induced euphoria, as a matter I advocate it’s use on an already well established baseline of a formative baseline of values.