Danger, Will Robinson, danger

Need more proof of the danger of the religious
right wing. This story from Washington state on
Daily Kos.

“Pharmacist who object to plan b(a morning after pill)
want to be able to deny filling a prescription on moral,
ethical, or religious beliefs. Pharmacist have to have the
right to exercise their conscience in these morally troubling
situations. I believe it is the right we get as being citizens of
the U.S. says Bellevue pharmacist CJ Kahler.”

So if you need a pill and your pharmacist object because
of their moral grounds, they can refuse to fill your prescription.
Why not carry this further. People who live in wedlock should
not be served in restaurants because the waitress or manager
has moral objections to living together without marriage.
Or not serve gays, moral objections again, or perhaps blacks.
Or maybe a vegan waitress can deny getting you steak because
it violates her moral compass. Where do we allow this to go?

This issue arose because of moral issues from conservative groups
objecting to the sale of plan b, after plan b was approved by the FDA,
as an over the counter morning after pill. After the religious
groups objected, the FDA reverse itself and went for over
18 prescriptions for plan b. Why do you ask it is not
even on the market in this very restrictive means.
The FDA overturn its own scientific evidence and tried
to claim they could not figure out how to dispense plan b
to 18 years old, even though 18 is the legal age for
prescriptions.

So do non-medical religious groups determine
medical policy in this country? It sure looks like it.
We must end the insanity of the religious right wing before
they take away all your rights in the name of god.

More examples of the religious right trying to tell you how
to live your live based on their moral principles.

Kropotkin

sounds more like the anti religious left violating the individual’s (pharmacists) first ammendment rights.

-Imp

Impenitent:sounds more like the anti religious left violating the individuals (pharmacists) first amendment rights.

K: its nice to see you haven’t lost your sense of humor.
A pharmacy is a place to get medicine from,
if one want a sermon, one goes to that place.

Preaching is one thing, but to deny medicines to
someone for personal religious reason’s is wrong.
And goes beyond the pale of first amendment rights.
You could be risking someones life.
That dear boy trumps first amendment rights.
Next if you refuse to give me medicine and I suffer injury because
of that failure, you should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
It does not matter if you personally agree with a person’s medicine
or not, you are not a doctor and not license to practice medicine
in any state, and if you deny someone medicine based on
your own personal opinions, you are practicing medicine without a
license. Which is crime and should be prosecuted to the fullest
extent, which is what should happen to any pharmacist who does this.

Kropotkin

no. the crime is forcing people to do as you wish against their will.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!

-Imp

Impenitent:sounds more like the anti religious left violating the individuals (pharmacists) first amendment rights.

K: its nice to see you haven’t lost your sense of humor.
A pharmacy is a place to get medicine from,
if one want a sermon, one goes to that place.

""Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
“prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

K: Preaching is one thing, but to deny medicines to
someone for personal religious reason’s is wrong."

IMP: “no, forcing people to act against their religion is wrong.”

K: the role of a pharmacy is to dispense medicine,
if you have a problem, you shouldn’t be working there.

K:And goes beyond the pale of first amendment rights.

IMP: "“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or “prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” … what part of “prohibiting the free exercise thereof” do you not understand?!? oh, we can shred the constitution when it suits your left wing agenda… is doesn’t mean is…”

K: left wing agenda? No one is shredding anything? Nice used of
buzz words that actually mean nothing.

K: “You could be risking someones life.
That dear boy trumps first amendment rights.”

IMP: “wrong.”

K: Next if you refuse to give me medicine and I suffer injury because
of that failure, you should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

IMP: "and where does the chain of blame stop? the drug company? or the scientists? or the schools that trained the scientist? or the marxist fuckwads who wrote the books and ran the schools that miseducated the scientists? of course… the marxist fuckwads should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. no, scratch that. they should be executed. "“VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!”

K: my, you certainly need to reduce the dosage of the drugs you are
taking. I am trying to hold a conversation, and you are off trying
to get people executed.

K: It does not matter if you personally agree with a person’s medicine
or not, you are not a doctor and not license to practice medicine
in any state, and if you deny someone medicine based on
your own personal opinions, you are practicing medicine without a
license. "

IMP “and if you are not free to act as you will, you are a slave. but that’s great. only hire pharmacists who have no moral code and will gladly be a good slave for the left wing fuckwads. and you think that lead to a boom in the pharmacy ranks?”

K: The fact still remains, if you do not fulfill those prescriptions, due
to some personal and/ or medical reason, you are practicing
medicine without a licences. Pharmacist still have to obey the law,
regardless of their personal feeling in the matter. I want my
doctor to be in charge of my medicine, not my pharmacist.
Although I must say my pharmacist is really cute 20 something,
my Workman’s comp doctor, is older British guy.

K: Which is crime and should be prosecuted to the fullest
extent, which is what should happen to any pharmacist who does this.

IMP: no. the crime is forcing people to do as you wish against their will.

K: if you do not wish to do your job, within the confines of the law,
then you should probably quit. A pharmacist job is to dispense
medicine that the doctor prescribes. A pharmacist that does not
do that, is violating the law, practicing medicine without a licence.
Only a doctor can practice medicine, which I think is a swell rule.
recall I had surgery last week, I have at least 5 separate pain
pills that I am taking. I am very happy these day, under all
those pain pills.

Kropotkin

-Imp

do you know what the word “trump” means? do you know why i had written in my profile “i am now illegally calling for all people to violently cause clear and present danger for the fascist american regime”? its because america decided back in commie-fear days that if some guy is causing a ‘clear and present danger’ with his violence causing speeches, he should be stopped. that means if you hurt people with your words, your speech rights are trumped.

if you cause someone to get hurt because you are amish and you dont believe in medicine and you went to work at a pharmacy just so you could enact your stupid, wrong will on the customers, you would be hurting many of them. this should be prevented, i think, IMHO.

:confused: !?!?

if you ask for a pain killer and they give you a pain maker, they wouldnt be doing their job. if you want a morning after pill and their shaman tells them they cant, then they are not going to be able to do their job.

they dont carry pot because the federal govt will bust them, even if they are in california or one of those enlightened states. nobody will bust them for carrying morning after pills except for jesus, who is actually fake.

what if the superstitious right boycotts all major pharmacy chains and you are forced to drive for hours? should that be allowed? should you start your own pharmacy at that point? freedom at all costs is good for some unspecified reason! hooray!

K: the role of a pharmacy is to dispense medicine,
if you have a problem, you shouldn’t be working there.

IMP: a pharmacy is a private business. you shouldn’t tell private citizens how to run their business. you don’t like the pharmacy, go to the “state” pharmacy instead."

K: and being a private business does not exempt you from obeying
the law. When you refuse to fill an pharacmy order, you are
breaking the law.

K: “You could be risking someones life.
That dear boy trumps first amendment rights.”

IMP: “nice “trump” with your buzz words… it doesn’t trump a damn thing”

K: then try yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre.
Yes, you have the free speech to yell fire,
but I guarantee you will spend some time in the pokey.

K: Next if you refuse to give me medicine and I suffer injury because
of that failure, you should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

IMP: “by who? you could have gone to the state pharmacy. your refusal to get your prescription filled elsewhere is not my fault.”

K: Then what if we put a sign at the door only Christians given
medicine here. that will certainly not attract any attention.
That is essentially what you have done if you only serve people
who share your moral values…but in any case, you cannot exclude
a class of people as that violate several laws again. You really like
to encourage people to break the law.

K: my, you certainly need to reduce the dosage of the drugs you are
taking. I am trying to hold a conversation, and you are off trying
to get people executed.

IMP: no you are trying to enslave people. I am advocating killing tyrants"

K: I want choices for people. You want death for anybody who doesn’t
agree with you. The only tyrant I see here, is you.

K: It does not matter if you personally agree with a person’s medicine
or not, you are not a doctor and not license to practice medicine
in any state, and if you deny someone medicine based on
your own personal opinions, you are practicing medicine without a
license. "

IMP:"exactly. and by that logic every doctor should be forced to give abortions in public. "

K: well I would rather have doctors who actually know how to do it,
instead of my audiologist or my dentist.

K: The fact still remains, if you do not fulfill those prescriptions, due
to some personal and/ or medical reason, you are practicing
medicine without a licences. Pharmacist still have to obey the law,
regardless of their personal feeling in the matter.

IMP: they do. but they don’t have to give you the brand you want or the particular pill you want. they might not carry them. they are PRIVATE BUSINESSES."

K: If the brand name and the generic do the same thing, great,
but if it is a specific medicine, then yes, they must give it to you.
Because they cannot allow personal opinions to mess with your health.
Inaction causing injury or death, is still liable in a court of law,
regardless of the reason.

K: I want my doctor to be in charge of my medicine, not my pharmacist.
Although I must say my pharmacist is really cute 20 something,
my Workman’s comp doctor, is older British guy.

IMP: “then go to the Marxist drug store and leave the other pharmacists alone.”

K: UMMMMM, looking up Marxist drug store in the phone book,
ok, it would be under strict Marxism, not under Cuban or Chinese
drug store, Trotsky drug store, found it. Its on, “Come to Mexico,
you be safe here” street.

K: Which is crime and should be prosecuted to the fullest
extent, which is what should happen to any pharmacist who does this.

IMP: no. the crime is forcing people to do as you wish against their will.

K: if you do not wish to do your job, within the confines of the law,
then you should probably quit. A pharmacist job is to dispense
medicine that the doctor prescribes.

IMP: “if their pharmacy carries that drug. not every pharmacy carries pot.”

K: and that is a dam shame. The state vs feds on pot is quite a battle.
I have my money on the states winning, but it too close to call right now.

Kropotkin

and you’d make every drug store fill perscriptions for crack for 6 year olds right?

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!

-Imp

K: and being a private business does not exempt you from obeying
the law. When you refuse to fill an pharacmy order, you are
breaking the law.

IMP: “there is no law that demands every pharmacy carries every drug. game over.”

K: That is true. So the answer for pharmacies is to make sure
they never carry those “items” that are morally objectionable.
I am sure they can stay in business selling, um, what could be a
morally acceptable drug to sell, Oh, I got it, aspirin. Um, no,
It encourages laziness in people. How about blood pressure pills,
UM, hell no, I won’t carry that because those people brought it on
themselves by not leading a life that god ordained for them.
I guess there is no morally “clean” drugs, because they are drugs,
and god told me any drugs lead to immoral lives.

K: I want choices for people.

IMP: “except the choice not to carry the drug you demand”

K: demand? In case you haven’t notice drugs helps keep people
alive, sane, and functional. Without my pain pills, I would have had
a real problem this last week. And to kill people because you morally
don’t approve of a drug, is illegal.

K: It does not matter if you personally agree with a person’s medicine
or not, you are not a doctor and not license to practice medicine
in any state, and if you deny someone medicine based on
your own personal opinions, you are practicing medicine without a
license. "

IMP:"exactly. and by that logic every doctor should be forced to give abortions in public. "

K: well I would rather have doctors who actually know how to do it,
instead of my audiologist or my dentist.

IMP: “so much for freedom.”

K: You need to relax. I made a joke and you didn’t even get it.

K: if you do not wish to do your job, within the confines of the law,
then you should probably quit. A pharmacist job is to dispense
medicine that the doctor prescribes.

IMP: “if their pharmacy carries that drug. not every pharmacy carries pot.”

K: and that is a dam shame. The state vs feds on pot is quite a battle.
I have my money on the states winning, but it too close to call right now.

IMP: and you’d make every drug store fill prescriptions for crack for 6 year olds right?

K: You know I pay pretty close attention, and I must have missed it
when they made crack legal. Could you fill me in on the details and
how did my senators vote? Boxer and feinstein?

Kropotkin

-Imp

K: and being a private business does not exempt you from obeying
the law. When you refuse to fill an pharacmy order, you are
breaking the law.

IMP: “there is no law that demands every pharmacy carries every drug. game over.”

K: That is true.

IMP: “GAME OVER.”

I find it interesting that the most authoritarian
person on this site is You, IMP.

You want death to any who opposes you, couldn’t care
less about anybody in the world except for IMP. you would be
happy to blow up the world in your pursuit of power.
It scares me sometimes.

Kropotkin

Nah, Imp is kinda like WC Fields who was oft quoted:
“I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally.”

xanderman:Nah, Imp is kinda like WC Fields who was oft quoted:
"I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally.

K: that is truly funny. thanks.

Kropotkin

i have a question did the Pharmacist that refused to fill the order own the pharmacy

if he did then he has every right to refuse service to anyone for any reason

this may result in rasism, and every one has the right to be stupid

if he did not then it is the owners problem, not yours

and if he lost his job he deserved it