dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Nuclear war…by accident?

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Michael Dobbs

[b]'Even if we assume Mr. Putin is a rational actor who wishes to avoid nuclear annihilation, that is not necessarily reassuring. Contrary to popular belief, the biggest danger of nuclear war in October 1962 did not arise from the so-called eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation between Khrushchev and Kennedy but from their inability to control events that they themselves had set in motion.

'As I discovered when I assembled a minute-by-minute chronology of the most dangerous phase of the crisis, there were times when both leaders were unaware of developments on the battlefield that assumed a logic and momentum of their own.

‘Khrushchev never authorized the shooting down of an American U-2 spy plane over Cuba by a Soviet missile on Oct. 27, 1962, the most dangerous day of the crisis. Kennedy was unaware that another U-2 strayed over Russian airspace the same day, triggering Soviet air defenses. “There’s always some sonofabitch that doesn’t get the word,” was how he put it later.’[/b]

Then this part:

‘What both Kennedy and Khrushchev did possess was an intuitive understanding of the peril confronting not just their own countries but the entire world if the crisis was allowed to escalate. That is why they maintained a back channel to communicate with each other privately (through the president’s brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, and the Soviet ambassador to Washington, Anatoly Dobrynin) even as they denounced each other publicly. It is also why they acted swiftly to reach a compromise deal (kept secret for decades) that involved the dismantling of U.S. medium-range missiles in Turkey in exchange for a Soviet nuclear withdrawal from Cuba.’

Is some version of this now unfolding re Ukraine?

Then that sheer “existentially-rooted-in-dasein” factor:

‘Like Kennedy, Khrushchev had experienced the horror of World War II. He knew that nuclear war would be many times more destructive. Kremlin archives show that for all his bloodcurdling rhetoric, Khrushchev was determined to find a peaceful solution as soon as it became clear that his nuclear gamble had failed. Mr. Putin, by contrast, has chosen to raise the stakes at every critical point. Escalation has become his preferred tactic.’

Place your bets.

Why did the sniper let the chicken cross the road?

The reason why to think about the unthinkable is because the elite with built in equipped shelters may feel that civilization can be reinvented with the assistance of the formidable AI, and besides to prove Marx was totally and definitely off .

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Russia is beginning to ‘prepare their society’ to launch a nuclear attack, Zelenskyy says, but adds Putin is ‘not ready to do it’
Charles R. Davis Oct 7, 2022, 2:20 PM

Amid concerns about Russian President Vladimir Putin’s recent nuclear threats came a bit of startling news: The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said Tuesday that it spent $290 million on a drug to treat radiation sickness.

The department said in a statement that the purchase of the drug, called Nplate, is part of its “long-standing, ongoing efforts by the Administration for Strategic Preparedness and Response to better prepare the U.S. for the potential health impacts of a wide range of threats to national security.”

In other words, despite President Joe Biden’s warning that the risk of nuclear “Armageddon” is the highest it has been since the Cuban missile crisis, the purchase of the drug for radiation sickness is coincidental, according to the HHS.

Nplate, manufactured by U.S. drugmaker Amgen, was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 2021 to treat injuries caused by acute radiation syndrome, also known as radiation sickness. (It was also approved in 2008 to treat an autoimmune disorder that causes excessive bleeding.)

The HHS didn’t comment on when the decision to order the drug was made or whether it predated the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February, but it noted that the department began supporting the development of the drug back in 2019 after earlier involvement from the National Institutes of Health.

Amgen will maintain the supply of the drug, an approach the HHS says lowers costs for taxpayers and allows the drug to be used in the commercial market before it expires.

Chris Meekins, former deputy assistant secretary for preparedness and response at HHS, said that he sees no cause for alarm over the purchase.

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That’s because, he said, the $290 million purchase of Nplate amounts to about 50,000 courses of the drug, less than the amount he would expect the U.S. to buy if the nation were close to a nuclear war with Russia.

“It isn’t that much product,” he said. “I would expect a bigger buy if this were in a response to something going on over there that requires them to both have enough for the U.S. and for giving to partners overseas."

Nplate would not be the ideal medication to use for a widespread nuclear event, he added.

The drug needs to be used within 24 hours of exposure, he said, though the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, recommends that people stay indoors for at least 24 hours after a nuclear blast.

“We need products that can be used longer,” he said.

Greg Burel, the former director of the Strategic National Stockpile, agreed, saying that he doesn’t think the HHS’ purchase of the drug is related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February.

Still, Meekins said that the government’s purchases amid the Russian conflict are worth watching.

“Bottom line, we are watching everything, but this shouldn’t be used as a data point to assume there is a greater threat than people anticipate,” he said.

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Ukraine war: Very low chance Russia will use nuclear weapons - expert
By Gael Camba • 07/10/2022 - 23:15
Ukraine war: Very low chance Russia will use nuclear weapons - expert
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Russia’s president Vladimir Putin has repeatedly hinted at the use of nuclear weapons.

Amid a successful Ukrainian counteroffensive, he said Moscow would “defend [its] land with all the forces and resources” it has.

It comes as his US counterpart Joe Biden said the threats were the most serious since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Euronews spoke to Nikolai Sokov, a senior fellow at the Vienna Centre for Disarmament and Non-Proliferation who used to work at Russia’s foreign ministry, to get his views on the chances of nuclear weapons being used in the Ukraine war.

Here is a selection of his answers.

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Do you think Russian president Vladimir Putin could use nuclear weapons?
“If you mean using nuclear weapons against Ukraine, then the probability is very, very low. Of course, these days, anything can happen,” said Sokov.

“So far, all nuclear signalling that has been done by Vladimir Putin and his associates since the beginning of the war has been directed at the West, at NATO, but not at Ukraine.”

How destructive are Russia’s nuclear weapons and could it use them in the Ukraine war?
Do you think that he could deploy nuclear armaments towards the West, towards NATO members?
"He doesn’t have to deploy much. Plenty of weapons are already deployed or can be used from quite deep within Russia.

"The main risk is that the war in Ukraine escalates and directly involves NATO. I don’t expect a surprise attack by Russia using nuclear weapons against NATO.

"It will be a process. There will be more warnings, or there will be possibly the use of conventional weapons, but later it will come to nuclear weapons.

“The more likely scenario is the nuclear tests, but not in the Black Sea. The nuclear tests will be at the regular nuclear test site on Novaya Zemlya, or very much in the north of Russia, in the Arctic.”

The main risk is that the war in Ukraine escalates and directly involve NATO

Nikolai Sokov

Senior Fellow at the Vienna Center for Disarmament and Non-Proliferation
"Any use of nuclear weapons, no matter how powerful, is a major step. A very limited or just a handful of low-yield nuclear weapons will not change the situation at the front lines.

"We do tend to overestimate the military value of tactical nuclear weapons. In 1967, the United States did a study of the possibility of using tactical nuclear weapons in Vietnam. It was concluded that, from the military perspective, this would not change the situation.

"Nuclear weapons have more utility when they’re not used when you threaten their use. But once you cross the threshold the situation changes.

“Even though we’ve seen a lot of nuclear blustering on Moscow’s side. We have not seen any practical steps that might suggest that Russia is preparing to use nuclear weapons.”

Nuclear weapons have more utility when they’re not used, when you threaten their use. But once you cross the threshold the situation changes.

Nikolai Sokov

Senior fellow at the Vienna Centre for Disarmament and Non-Proliferation
Backed into a corner, could Putin not lash out and use nuclear weapons as a last resort?
“I would say that if the survival of the country, of the political regime, is at stake, then yes, that’s exactly the situation for which nuclear weapons are intended.”

What is Russia’s Poseidon nuclear drone and could it wipe out the UK in a radioactive tsunami?
We are seeing major battleground losses. Many people would argue that the survival of Putin’s regime is at risk.
"Not yet. I’m quite certain that Russia still has resources. It’s clearly preparing for a counteroffensive, which will probably take place in the winter. If we talk about the Russian defeat on the battlefield, that still does not really put the survival of the country at risk.

“Joe Biden has actually been doing quite a good job so far. We do have a very good chance to get through this crisis without seeing nuclear use.”

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Lets hope AI can play the game of catching up, overtaking and stopping the human folly of being human, all too human.

…hopefully (prayerfully) can be more human than most humans. And inspire us toward that.

a men to that AMEN

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The world prompted by Putin’s Stalin type madness is approaching to ignore MAD.

AP

“China warned the United States it could face severe consequences—including the prospect of nuclear war—if it allows Ukraine to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), drawing the 30-member alliance into the country’s conflict with Russia.”

and now , hoping sleepy Joe is on the money on this one :

thehill.com/policy/equilibrium- … clear-war/

America is gagging for this conflict to happen with Russia and China… it’s what they’ve wanted, and been hoping for, all along.

Putting a world in peril for money and power… the new-normal.

Which “Americans” are seeking war for the sake of war? Name names. Provide quotes. Link to poll data.

Or do you mistake a failure to be intimidated by empty threats … and being too busy paying rent … with a desire for war?

If there are any “Americans” who actually want war over diplomatic solutions, let’s fly ‘em out there on Epstein’s jet.

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Feeling scrappy? Need a hug? [but not from me] ^^^

Those who don’t know, don’t know! …and should follow their country’s current-affairs politics, instead of trolling [annoying] grown people online.

So who here knows? Name names.

I’m not hugging you, MagsJ.

Something will definitely start as worrisome here.

Someone noted that the generAl population has absolutely no idea what a nuke is capable of :

National Security Council spokesman John Kirby speaks during a briefing at the White House, Monday, Aug. 1, 2022, in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

White House national security spokesman John Kirby in an interview on Sunday said that President Biden’s remark regarding the “prospect of Armageddon” reflects “the very high stakes that are in play” in the wake of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s nuclear threats.

“The president was reflecting the very high stakes that are in play right now, Martha,” Kirty told host Martha Raddatz during an appearance on ABC’s “This Week.”

“When you have modern nuclear power and the leader of that modern nuclear power willing to use irresponsible rhetoric the way that Mr. Putin has several times in just the last week or two, as well as the high tension in Ukraine over just the course of the last few days,” he added. “So the president, I think, was accurately reflecting the fact that the stakes are very high right now.”

Kirby stressed that Biden’s comments last week were not based on any new intelligence, asserting that the U.S. doesn’t have any indication that Putin “has made that kind of decision.”

During a Democratic fundraiser in New York City, Biden said that Putin was “not joking” in his references to using nuclear weapons.

“We have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis,” Biden said, referencing the standoff with the Soviet Union in 1962.

However, Kirby on Sunday said that the U.S. has not “seen anything that would give us pause to reconsider our own strategic nuclear posture.”

“What the president was reflecting was that stakes are high right now, given what’s going on on the battlefield in Ukraine and given the very irresponsible and reckless comments made by Vladimir Putin in just the last few days,” he reiterated.

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Kirby also noted that Biden has said that the U.S., or its allies, will “not be intimidated.”

–Updated at 11:31 a.m.

This scares the living daylight out of whoever has experienced the fears of older generation, specifically toward the ill informed newer generations

Zelensky calls for ‘preventive action’ to deter Russian nuclear strikes
BY JULIA MUELLER 10/06/22 06:20 PM ET

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday called for the international community to take “preventive action” to deter the potential use of nuclear weapons by Russia in the ongoing war in Ukraine.

In an address to the Lowy Institute, a nonpartisan international policy think tank in Australia, Zelensky underscored the importance of “preventive strikes, preventive action” so that Russia can get a better picture of the potential consequences if they move to use nuclear weapons.

Preemptive steps are crucial to deterrence, Zelensky said. He cautioned against “waiting for the nuclear strikes first.”

The Ukrainian president’s press secretary, Sergii Nykyforov, later clarified Zelensky’s comments after some media interpreted the suggestion to include preemptive nuclear strikes, rather than nonnuclear steps like sanctions.

“You will never hear such calls from Ukraine,” Nykyforov said in a translated Facebook post, asserting that only Russia would resort to “blackmail the world” with nuclear threats.

Zelensky has long called upon the international community to take preventative measures to deter Russia from escalating the conflict, which has waged on for more than seven months.

His comments to the Lowy Institute come after Moscow moved to annex parts of occupied Ukraine by holding referendums considered illegitimate by much of the international community.

Russian President Vladimir Putin also recently threatened that Russia would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons against what it perceived as a severe threat, further worrying the global community about the stakes of the ongoing war.

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Ukraine’s capital of Kyiv is reportedly prepping for a potential nuclear attack on the city, stocking evacuation centers with potassium iodine pills, which can help against radiation absorption.

In his address Thursday, Zelensky repeated his concerns about Russian military presence at Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the largest in Europe.

Nearby fighting and Russian control of the Ukrainian workers that still man the site have endangered the plant’s operations on more than one occasion, mounting concerns about a possible nuclear accident

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Why I think there’s a one-in-six chance of an imminent global nuclear war
by MaxTegmark4 min read7th Oct 202287 comments
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Many people have asked me what I think the odds are of an imminent major US-Russia nuclear war. My current estimate is about the same as losing in Russian roulette: one in six. The goal of this post is to explain how I arrived at this estimate. Please forgive its cold and analytic nature despite the emotionally charged topic; I’m trying not to be biased by hopes, fears or wishful thinking.

My estimate is 30% x 80% x 70% ~ 1/6, as illustrated in the figure and explained below. The horizontal axis roughly corresponds to levels of escalation, while the vertical axis corresponds to how favorable outcomes are to the two sides.

Possible outcomes
To estimate the odds of pulling a spade out of a deck of cards, it’s important to know how many suits there are. To estimate the odds that the current unstable situation ends up in the “KABOOM” outcome (a major US-Russia nuclear war that might cause nuclear winter and kill most people on Earth), it’s similarly important to know what other reasonably stable outcomes it’s competing against. The shorthand labels I’ve given these outcomes (grey boxes) should’t be taken too literally: “Kosovo” & “Vietnam” refer to scenarios where one side wins outright (breakaway succeeds & Goliath is expunged, respectively). “Libya”, “Korea” & “Finland” refer to intermediate outcomes involving simmering war, frozen war and full peace, respectively. I’m not showing the “Cuba” outcome (invasion averted by negotiated agreement) that was on the table in December 2021, since it’s now off the table, as are resumed EU-Russia gas exports via the Nordstream pipelines.

Escalation dynamics
The grey ellipses represent relatively short-lived situations. We are currently in a vicious circle in the form of a self-perpetuating escalation spiral: since “Kosovo” is deemed unacceptable by Ukraine and the West while “Vietnam” is deemed unacceptable by Russia, both sides double down and escalate further whenever they fear losing. Such escalation has been both quantitative (more weapons, more mobilization) and qualitative (e.g., novel sanctions, heavier weapons, longer-range weapons, attacks inside Russia, scaled-up attacks on civilian infrastructure, shelling of a nuclear power plant, assassinations, sabotage of gas pipelines and Europe’s longest bridge, annexations, and escalatory rhetoric about nuclear use). My assessment is that Russia, whose GDP is similar to Italy’s, can no longer compete with the West in terms of quantitative escalation, and that Putin understands that his only chance to avoid the “Vietnam” outcome is to escalate qualitatively, with nuclear weapons use being his last resort. Last spring, I predicted that once loss of occupied territory loomed, he would annex what he controlled and start talking about nuclear defense of Russia’s new borders – and here we are.

Breaking the vicious circle
I view it as highly unlikely (<10%) that Putin would accept “Vietnam” without first going nuclear, because it would almost certainly result in him being overthrown and jailed or killed. On the other hand, I also view it as highly unlikely (<10%) that the West would accept a “Kosovo” scenario where Russia is granted a peace deal where it keeps everything it’s annexed, because if the powers that be in the West were that appeasement-minded, they would presumable have opted for a “Cuba” scenario in 2021 by acquiescing to Russia’s demand that Ukraine never join NATO. This means that with high (>80%) probability, the current vicious cycle of escalation will end only with de-escalation into one of the intermediate outcomes (“Libya”/“Korea”/“Finland”) or with lower-case “kaboom” (Russian nuclear use in Ukraine).

Estimates of the “kaboom” probability have recently ranged from 5% to 9% in the Metaculus prediction community. My current estimate is a few times higher (30%, e.g. a 2-to-1 chance that the cycle will end with de-escalation rather than escalation), because de-escalation currently seems so disfavored: there appears to be a widespread assumption in the West, shared by Ukrainian leaders, that Ukraine is winning and that Putin will grudgingly accept “Vietnam”. Moreover, there is a near-consensus in mainstream Western media and policy circles against peace negotiations, exemplified by e.g. the hostile response to Elon Musk’s recent suggestion of a peace deal.

Post-nuclear escalation
The probability that “kaboom” (nuclear use in Ukraine) leads to “KABOOM” (WW3) obviously depends on the Western response and subsequent escalation dynamics. My estimate is quite high (80%) that NATO’s response will be forceful enough to include a non-nuclear military strike against Russia, because key NATO leaders have already made strongly worded statements to this effect. Options discussed have included sinking Russia’s Black Sea fleet, which it would be difficult to imagine Russia not viewing as a declaration of war. My most likely (70%) scenario after that is Russian counterstrikes followed by rapid escalation via retaliatory actions from both sides, culminating in execution of the all-out nuclear war plans that both sides have spent decades preparing. My 70% estimate factors in that the long history of nuclear near misses has convinced me that both the US and Russia are much less competent in de-escalation than in escalation.

In the slightly less likely (30%) scenario that global freakout brings the US and Russia back from the brink, de-escalating toward the left side of the diagram, the outcome may be closer to “Kosovo” or “Vietnam” depending on who blinks first, i.e., on whether the de-escalation happens after “kaboom” or “Expansion”.

WW3 impact
Many detailed estimates of nuclear war impact have been published in the academic literature. Xia et al (Nature Food, 3, 586–596, 2022) estimate that nuclear winter would kill about 99% of all Russians, Americans, Europeans and Chinese, with the most powerful post-war remaining economies being in South America, Southern Africa and Oceania. However, more work is needed to reduce uncertainties e.g. targeting scenarios, black carbon smoke production and lofting.

The only nuclear target map thus far declassified by the United States suggested that China would also be targeted even in a US-Russia war, to prevent it from emerging as the strongest post-war economy. My guess is that such a strategy is in force today as well, given the frosty state of Sino-US relations. Since China has much more large cities than either the US or Russia, this significantly increases my smoke production estimate.

I’d love to hear your thoughts both on this risk modeling framework and on the factor probabilities (30%, 80%, 70%) listed in the figure! I’ll plan to update them regularly as the geopolitical shituation evolves.

De-escalation clarification
Many Twitter responses to this post have conflated nuclear de-escalation with capitulation or concessions. Conversely, not all escalation has military value. For example, goading Putin to escalate with Moscow car bombing or viral video taunts is arguably against the national security interests of Ukraine and the West.

Now, a call for Putin to be ‘taken out’ and for China’s President to be replaced. America decides!?

It seems that America wants to take over Russia and China… Americanise, and so rule them.

Musk keeps suggesting letting Goliaths like China & Russia take pieces of Davids.

Of course the richest man with satellites and other tech in place globally wants to consolidate and streamline no matter how it hurts the self-determination of smaller states.

Change my mind.