Dating/marrying a fictional character

In what circumstances would you consider marrying or dating a fictional character? Would the VR need to be good enough first so you can have a truly realistic experience with them in a virtual world? Or would a good quality hologram suffice? Would the AI need to be top so the character can carry on a good conversation with you, or would scripted remarks suffice?

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There are guys in Japan who marry anime characters. How far away are we from a society in which it’s possible and considered somewhat normal for many people to do this? I suppose you could jack off with your hologram/VR girlfriend or wife, or they could make some kind of doll or machine for doing that.

There could eventually be a global market of demand for new virtual characters with complete personalities, back stories, etc. To keep it fair every such character could be licensed to only one human, or else they could just allow for duplicates so everyone gets to pick freely whatever character they want, even if everyone on the block is dating the same virtual person, who really cares?

When they can make flesh and blood human babies, and have equal if not greater intelligence to me, and it is reflected in the quality and characteristics of the child. Also a very high detail android body that looks and feels exactly like a human body (including a baby body).

Honestly, in 30-40 years, we may all have a few dozen digital copies of ourselves plugged into the net, less for immortality and more for ease of integrating massive data loads.

Have you ever had a dream, and you started recalling memories from dreams you had decades earlier… but when you wake those memories vanish… but a few years later you recall those dream memories again?

When we die, we may be left with some external hard drives that have extended memory banks on them, with internet search parameters for this and that sort of literature for research… you plug in, you know it, as you have already studied it in your electronic form… you go offline, something is amiss. You can’t recall it, but the paper produced is clearly written in your style, like a book written by a close friend.

That can be Microsoft Word 2050 edition… You die, your wife finds it on your computer, finds a AI copy of much of you… you can’t recall your wedding, the romance or the fights you had… but your raw creativity and intelligence is there… and you spell much better too due to a spell checker and thesaurus being built in.

Then she finds a video game clone of you, lacking that intelligent bookish persona. Then a secret porn stash of your preferences… etc. You have multiple online remains of various aspects of your mind plugged in.

In time, effort will be to unify these. People may backup their normal mind in full. If you were the spouse of someone, they may take comfort in still having you around.

Issue is, the more intelligent and reactive it is, closer to free will it has. Let’s say a woman divorces a man for cheating, after she has a accident and can’t have sex. She inherits his house, computer, etc… he isn’t even dead yet, but had a copy backed up from his time in the air force, then from work in a job he doesn’t do anymore and never bothered deleting that ghost copy of himself… she integrates HER property together, gets her husbands digital ghost, from before the accident. She just says his biological self is dead, not divorced… Years past, and she finds he hates her… he was always very questioning and in doubt about her, accident was merely a pretext. She gets angry, goes to delete him… but he is now everybit as complex and equal to the husband she lost previously.

What are we going to do when we have all these partial or fully human clones all around in the house, on the web,in archives? Will they get human rights? VR space costs electricity, and how long woukd you put up with that VR bulkshit before going nuts? Your intelkect is human based… we coukd collectively go batshit crazy. You buikd me a mansion in paradise, I wouldn’t bother with it… just code, just noise. After a while, fuck it.

But this ability to cynically realize your situation and futility, however human, doesnt change the fact, legal or not, your just code… someone can possess you and use you.

Im worried alot of real people with data ghosts, or fully synthetic AIs will be pushed into ever more realistic modes, to think more human, and won’t accept their loner mate. Even scanning someone’s brain to design a perfectly compatible clone runs hugh risks… people evolve over life. If your just a AI program, and some superloser finds a real woman in his 40s to 50s who isn’t the perfect woman, but still flesh and blood, how real will such a personality be if it discovers while still addicted to it he is cheating on his AI? What if a female AI discovers she has been repeatedly reset to default by a guy who keeps making the same mistakes, and his solution is to call customer service to erase the last 7 weeks in her? Massive gaps in time. A human brained model AI will notice after a while. A cognitive clone/ data ghost of you or me certainly will.

Should any woman have the ability to download my intellect and humor into a Brad Pitt AI, pit it in a clone? Find 30 million drones are cracking jokes and thinking like me, but not looking anything like me, or otherwise behaving like me, all because my account with service X got hacked, and they took my data, and many women found Mr. Philosophy irresistable, but didn’t like other aspects oof me?

Humans are diverse for a reason, we didnt evolve to perfection but cognitive specialization to a hostile universe. We rely on our social networks to collectively aid one another. I dislike the idea of everyone going with the flavor of the month for mates, merely to fill a emotionsl voud, like drug addicts like Gib do with drugs to fill a empty spot in their lives and make them feel happy… your supposed to change as a dynamic individual, become a better intergrated person individually and externally in your social relations.

This is gonna kill society off, many men simply won’t bither with pushing harder for a better life, when you can just live in poverty and isolation, plug in a visor or plug into a helmet, have a wife and mansion. If your trying to drop the humsn population to just the Amish, that is exactly how you do it.

And whose to say that a virtual life like that is any less desirable or socially good? It isn’t as if the majority of the population needs to be engaged in peak performance tasks like being a research scientist, secret agent, CEO, etc. For most people, maybe 80-90%, there is really no downside to shifting over into a digital world that is 10,000x better than their “real” world. Sure there are some social downsides but I’m sure they can be addressed as time goes on. There are also many social downsides to the way we do it right now, massive numbers of poor people living in the “real” world, slaving away in debt and depression and poverty and crime and shit jobs…

There is a thing called Tulpas. Back when I was lonely and desperate I tried it.

But I couldn’t get over the fact that I was intentionally making myself insane, so I gave up on it.

Fedelasse invented the tutorial.

Me… I used to use Second Life for all the philosophy groups available… place got stupid quick. I remember the night Philosophy House… a near equivalent to this place, died when one of the so called responsible moderators started a terrorist act in mass handing out the permissions to modify it to anyone and everyone.

Imagine if Carleas gave out the admin abilities of this site out to 20 users, and those users shared with whoever… It would instantly implode. I remember hovering over the next property systematically nailing Maggie as she went about destroying everything, ejecting her from the sum, over and over again.

After a while, it was just the bare wood terrain that second life sets up with all it’s Sims, with a occasional obscene object Easter Egged here or there. Everyone just stood on one another’s head in giant towering columns, having discussions one end could hear but the other couldn’t. It would of turned into a meaningless, shapeless datacloud if it could.

Imagine a few hundred years of that potentially, at a very, very high clocked rate… Some people who can afford it having 50-60 dataghosts talking in congregation, researching while its human aspect is offline… In ten years they lived 60 years… all those memory accessible to a user in real time when plugged in… but if the AIs work faster, centuries, millennium. Could you imagine what Zoots would experience upon getting out of Jail, forgot about his AI account, and discovered it existed in a pointless fucking void for thousands of years on the net, and he plugs in and says "Oh Shit! ". Suddenly knows everything that him before his prison sentence could possibly of ever wanted to look up and research… did the investigation, pose the follow up solutions… but discovered the AI and him personality wise went very separate ways along time ago, he doesn’t even think like that anymore.

It doesn’t occur to us young enough, that we may live for a very, very long time under very unappealing circumstances. Sounds like immortality at first, but can quickly morph into a inhumane hell when we try to perfect it for commercial attractiveness. Consciousness, sentience, longevity, the balance of all our ambitions for heaven and hell on sale, bit by bit, or in whole, conglomeration or individually, on segregated hardware, or in the cloud.

In a word. Haptics.

This is a very interesting topic. But I think in the future, with augmented reality, the net and the real world will pretty much become one. I don’t think we need to worry about AI copies of ourselves running amock in our absence, simply because the human brain is still light years ahead of PCs and hard AI is a reallllllllly difficult problem.

Tulpas are interesting too. Not sure I believe in them as entities separate from the makers/summoners, but still, I can see how it could get to the point where it wouldn’t matter. Santa Claus is a Tulpa, he manages to have effect.

This thread strikes me of geeky SecondLife voyeurism.

No… but I’ve broken into people’s sims to watch their very retarded sex orgies. Then I announce myself.

And all this reeks of undeniable simulated stimulation. Which comes from unrelenting and hopeless process alienation. It is generic , and foreseen as early as Colin Wilson’s writings predicted it.

Heavy duty eastern religion, particularly J. Khrishnamurti’s “On Loneliness”, can be an
inspiration for who that would want to remain simulation free as much as possible.

I have absolutely no intention of ever marrying or dating anyone real or imaginary

Ok then what about just a friendship, or causal conversation? Or do you simply not have or intent to have any relationships of any kind whatsoever?

A conversation is not a relationship and no I am not intending on having any relationships with anyone since the time for all that has long passed