How’s my favorite sexy dirty blonde doing? How are things?
Heard from Zoot at all?
Oh, things are going…
And no, thankfully I have not.
That’s great. What are you doing with your life?
Have you found a place amongst the Venus Project yet?
I believe that was where our last conversation was left at.
The Venus Project…?
Sounds like something Gillette would come up with to convince women to shave even more of themselves…
No it’s actually pretty cool. Their architectural ideas suck, but they have pretty decent views about economics. Not to mention they’re actually doing stuff.
But because it’s not ultra machissimo, rather the opposite, men are in general inclined to believe that it’s silly.
It’s another one of these things. It’s very clearly an ally to what both Tyr and you, and I as well, are fighting for, but it’s somehow comedic.
That’s just so weird. I don’t blame you, I just perceive that this is what happens to all non-corporate initiatives. It’s ridiculed by the very people to whose benefit they are designed.
We really have to watch this phenomenon very closely with our own plans. Apparently there needs to be a very powerful masculine undertone to make these things work. But actually I think that’s going to work out pretty well.
Not that I think you’ll be disagreeing or at all interested in seriously attacking the Venus Project, but this just falls in the context I’ve been observing for the past week or so. I’ve decided to actively move beyond my normal level of criticism where it concerns groups with intentions rather than actual logics. This means I accept whoever works towards a similar goal, even if that is moving away from a similar threat, as an ally. I think that by valuing them in my own terms actually transforms them to a degree. It paves the ground for an eventual encounter where I’ll be dictating some terms. I take intention very seriously - which is why I suffered from my posts aimed at Volchok - I don’t wish the guy any harm. I just detest the aloof way he presents his hatred for human life.
I noticed that once someone feels mistrusted, he’ll be ten times more reluctant to change anything about his position at all. So whenever there is a thinker who holds a basic position that I like, I’ll assume that his errors will disappear to the measure that he is engaged in working out the logic of his premises, and in as far as I’m involved in that process, some of my own errors will be corrected as well. Because, when the person is sufficiently intelligent and creative (and brave), Value Ontology helps to ground a persons logic in his premises/values, as well as to explicate many subtle problems whereby these values are related to the present world. So I want to ideally always communicate a part of Value Ontology, and communicate it only to those whose premises I value positively.
There are currently millions of people engaged in quite brave and noble undertakings, but very few if any of them have solid logical principles. All we need to do, once we’ve outlined the real thing (we’re close) is to attract these other …anarchistic movements to attach to the idea as to a hub of sound philosophy, of something that can challenge Marx as well as Ayn Rand/et al. on their own terms.
It’s a futurist utopian community based out of Florida.
Hey Echo, I still think about you naughty sometimes. You’re my favorite erotic fantasy.
To be clear, I have known about the Venus Project for years, since before the Zeitgeist movies tried to make them famous. But I’ve never seen them actually do anything except try to promote themselves - Jacque Fresco in particular strikes me as incredibly narcissistic.
Now, the notion of a resource-based economy, i.e. an economy that openly admits that there are limited resources and that exploitation of resources always has some kind of environmental impact, is not one I’m opposed to. But the idea that some grand computer system, rather than just sensible human beings, would be in charge strikes me as horribly dysfunctional and dystopian. Just as the anarcho-capitalists try to replace the state with the market, the Venus Project/Zeitgeist movement try to replace it with technocracy. Even aside from the implicit Agenda 21 subtext, I don’t see them affirming much at all that I agree with. I think humans are great, and their ability to use technology to solve problems is one aspect of that. They think humans are crap (notice how in all their computer models of ‘perfect’ cities there aren’t actually any people moving about) and that technology is the best thing ever.
I’m not disagreeing with you in principle, but aside from their recognition that resources, not money, are what drives an economy I don’t have anything in common with the Venus Project. And I do think they are transhumanists just like most technocrats are.
Agreed.
To reiterate: I agree in principle, but I’ve got a lot more time for someone who has set up a community allotment (i.e. actually done something with positive benefits for real people) than for ‘movements’ and ‘projects’ that are almost entirely concerned with their own growth and propagation. I’m not denying for one moment that for a movement to be successful on a large scale it has to be concerned with these things, but not to the detriment of embodying their values in the real world. In an era of mass media, most political movements measure their success in numbers of youtube hits. I say if you manage to make things manifestly better for a dozen people then you’ve achieved far more than if you make a film that’s watched by millions of people. Not that the two can’t go together.
Ok, you know a hell of a lot more about them than I do. Yes, I agree with all that. I was fooled by your joke.
I see your presence at KTS.
Are you re embracing being Satyr’s favorite pet once again?
Computers are tools.
The Zeitgeist Movement does not say all our decisions will be governed by a computer, rather that once we define our objectives and priorities, that decisions will be arrived at, they wont be a matter of opinion. Therefore, after we’ve defined our values and goals, we could use technology to discern the most efficient means to attain the state which we seek based on the best information we have at hand.
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I’m here if you’re feeling fragile. I’ll give you my strong shoulder to rest upon if you want it. 
:-"
I’ve noticed your affinity for Zelda avatars over there at KTS.
Are you being reclusive escaping in fantasy fiction of video games in order to escape the harsh stresses of everyday reality?
I’m not being judgmental. I sometimes do the same. We all need a little bit of escapism in our lives from this absurd reality construct.