Death…a topic that no man could ever hope to comprehend or understand, but speculating is still fun . Of course there are the common questions…
Where do we go?
Why do we die?
Well one thing can be for certain, we do exist after death in one form or another. “Perposterous!” one might say; however listen to my reasoning and maybe you will understand the message i am trying to convey. The easieast way possible i can see fit to explain this would be through sleep and dreams.
When you sleep, you may be unconcious for lets say…nine hours or so…maybe less or more but the amount of time really does not matter. You wake up, and it feels as if you have just gone to sleep. now that is strange, because you cannot remember being asleep, however you know that you have been laying on your bed for nine hours.
Now lets start connecting this to death and existence after it. Lets substitute a human life in for time you spent laying unconcious on your bed. Now you may have dreamed many things while sleeping, but of course little can be remember if any, thus it feels like nine hours of your life have gone out the window, or possibly never existed at all.
After one lives their life, and then dies, if that person ceist to exist, then their life before hand would have not existed, thus they would have never lived, just like the time you spend unconcious on your bed. Therefore, if this were true, we would not be living right now, and you would not be reading this post. A human life is built upon memories, but if you cannot remember them then it never existed, thus to be living right now we must exist after death.
Your reasoning gets wishy washy in the last paragraph.
There is always mental activity going on when you’re awake and when you are asleep…if you want to argue that, then how would it be possible to dream at all?
Anyway, the fact is that once you are dead, you don’t experience any stimuli at all…there is no mental activity at all…when you die, u no longer think from a first person point of view, in fact u dont think at all, even more so YOU do not exist.
For this reason you cannot say that it is a problem to see your life as never having been lived once you die. When you die there are no memories, you cannot answer this question, in fact you can’t even ask it…so it’s not a problem at all.
Yes, after death our image still exists in memory of others, just as past exists. The problem is: we exist in the past. Not at that time. After death we do not exist (we are not conscious). We surely exist as a body, for a while, and then we turn into earth… something tells me you know this story.
I have a question. Why do you say that death sucks? From my point of view, it is just a part of the Process. And, actually, death is a relief from anxiety (both: existentional and neurotic). It finally sets a person free from him/her self. And, if not death, what would the alternative be?
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my comment:it seems reasonable that one would go back to thier creator after they die. However,between thiests and athiests,that creator is quite different.
Either our consciousless drops down into a different dimension, or we are gone forever.
Evolutionary neglect. Evolution is generation based, and everything that dies also becomes food. The foundation of the earthly life cycle system is build around death and birth.
Not really. System stops working, that’s all there is to it. It’s like pulling the plug out of a computer, or a car’s gas tank on empty.
yes really. an athiest would belive random events cooked up some microbe, which eventually becomes us. by this,i’d take it as"oblivion made us" so,by that logic, we’d go back to it.
oh and,this issue is gunnu be damnwell resovled once we die. for us anyway.
It’s always on time
It does its job without emotion
It always does its job (well… eventually)
It can handle a huge work toll
It’s innovative
It stimulates the economy
It has Bush’s stamp of approval!
first…i never mentioned that death was exactly a bad thing. First of all, this topic really has nothing to do with “how humans view death”, but with what happens after that. Second of all…there is no god or creator because god and creator are both human inventions, and whatever death has in store for us could not be comprehended by such feeble minds…especially the concept of god, which is known and defined as something greater than human.
Humans fear death because they have no idea what will happen to them after they die, and if it will be painful. Yes i know it is a part of life, but that is not the subject of this thread.
Now I lay me down to sleep,
I pray the Lord my soul to keep;
And if I die before I wake,
I pray the Lord my soul to take.
Sleep is as scary as hell. You disappear, cease to exist. I pray I come back from the nothingness everynight before I fall asleep-- if I can even fall asleep once I accidentally let myself think about how I’m about to disappear.
How can you use sleep to argue for life after death? That’s outrageous!
I was going to try and respond to your argument, but you rambled and ended up finishing with a different point than you began. Sorry to be sharp, but you seem to have talked about sleeping because it gives us the impression of having not existed for some portion of time - then you point out that we existed despite our lack of awareness. Then you say that death is like sleep (but by now I’m not sure what you were intending to say) and ultimately, you made the point that to exist is to always exist. You cannot say of someone that existed that they don’t exist now because it is paradoxical.
This is an age old problem, but I am unhappy with the way it has been applied to the issue of death here. To speak of anything, to affirm or deny anything of anything, we have to have a subject in the first place and so, to say such and such does not exist seems to be a contradiction. How can we speak of something that doesn’t exist?
Bearing in mind this problem of existence, we can say that in some sense, we all exist after death because someone could say of us in 200 years “AlGeorge and Deep_Blue died in the 21st century”. But the concept of existence is very slippery! It’s a word that can be tugged around to make different points (as in the case of the ontological argument). I think my main question is why your comment deserved the title “Death Sucks”???
Anyway, I know I sound like an arse and I’ve been very cutting, but please let me know if this means anything.
. Of course there are the common questions…