Debt Ceiling Impase

Maybe better suited for Current Events or the Rant House, but I wanted coverage instead of oblivion.
Just a comment.
The debt ceiling increase is needed to pay for what debt has alread7y been created. Republicans cite the Obama Stimulus package. It created debt. I agree. And it went into the pocket of big business billionares considered too big to fail, needed to keep a healthy economy. The economy half tanked anyway. Now we are left with the debt. But who should pay for the debt created to help Wall Street? If you ask Obama then it should be primarily Wall Street. But if you ask Bohener then…no one.

They keep talking about runn9ing a business…America is NOT a fu%k#*g business and it never was a business. Taking care of the old, the sick, the unemployed, what business does that? But they want the Invisible Hand of Adam Smith “to create jobs”. Don’t get involved. Don’t tax these cash cows like Reagan did, like H Bush did, noooooo. We are special. We have signed a pledge (Renquist) not to raise taxes, at any cost, even at the cost, wait for it…the world.

There are no jobs at the current state of affairs, and yet businesses are tax free. Republicans insist that taxing them would make the economy worse, destroy jobs and stifle investment (they must mean in the places “our” businesses outsource to)…then they accuse Obama of scare tactics. Jobs were not created, nor are they being created right now. Huge bonuses for the wealthy americans are and have been created by these wealthy americans for themselves. They are not out for our health, our well being, but for profit margin. If you want to stimulate the creation of jobs you do not need sweeping tax exemptions but tax deductions or tax breaks. You created 10 jobs, then you should have legislation that rewards your effort to employ americans, such as having govt pay half of the wages for the positions you created as an exemption in the tax code. We understand the burden on having kids and how raising your child the right way is a benefit for our country, but that does not make parents untaxable.You get an exemption that is very specific and detailed.

The thing that gets me is that you have these righteous fucks on the right talking about the need to create jobs by reducing govt spending…and thats all? Don’t they know that that will in fact kill jobs because the govt is the biggest employer of americans. You reduce govt and you just increased unemployment lines, simple as that. The current debate has been tied to jobs and the economy by the republicans but it is actually about paying for the debt that helping the business class folks created because of their actions. When will THEY create a stimulous for the people? “Oh, not by taxing them”…“They will rain upon us their blessing when they, of their own accord, create jobs”…“All you have to do is stay off their backs, and their pockets and blessing shall come from these billionares”…Oh how I believe that. They are trying to outsource my job to where they have less regulation so that they can fuck other people’s envoroment too poor and needy to care if the fuck their future, their water, their country for the chance of being the whore of these demi-gods that fly on private jets.

I am with Obama on this. Get some taxes increased. The debt was created to save them from disaster…it is time they say “Thank you”, not with PROMISES of jobs that may or may not come but through hard cash. Taxes existed before, under Republican administrations and the country did well, jobs were created. I don’t know and they never say, weher the hell they get this idea that taxes kill jobs. But what I do have actual experience of is that no taxes on the wealthy has created no jobs and that the american people had to create jobs for themselves by throwing money at these yahoos in stimulus packages that increased our natl debt.

The government is too big, unions are becoming the problem instead of the solution, entitlement programs are getting too numerous and president Obama’s administration is spending 2.5 times more than than Bush’s did.

Plus, if you focus your attentions on the wealthy, they will just go somewhere where the government won’t infringe on their money unfairly.

I don’t have anything to contribute, but I found this article and I thought it relevant to any discussion that might take place here.

commondreams.org/view/2011/07/26-1

No one said it is too small. Even the democrats agree that there are cuts to be made, but the real culprit for the size of government is the social programs like Social Security and Medicare. These is the stuff that everyone pays on whether they like it or not. Folks on SS and Medicare spent a life contributing and now you are going to pull the plug on what they were promised to be there for them?. But let’s reduce govt, the largest employer in the USA. Now see a swelling of unemployed lines, requiring a hike in unemployement benefits payouts, again, a benefit that working folks in govt paid for while they were employed.
But I guess big businesses are the solution…oh but wait. Have we already forgotten about the chaos of 2008, when it was big business in housing, banking and oil that laughed themselves all the way to their swiss banks, with bonuses paid with stimulus money, while the country crumbled? Oh yeah, I remember the outrage by Congress, by the President, by the Media, by everyone who saw these billionaires being “saved” because they were “too big to be allowed to fail”, because if they disappeared they would take precious currency from capital investment. They were saved and we have a few jobs created, but nowhere to the tune to make a dent on the unemployment lines. Big business, then we are told, is not our saviour but little investers who simply need that big bank, that loan shark, too give him just a bit of money to start his .com venture. No one has any money so that little venture fails, but now he is stuck with a bigger debt than before because he is paying 24% of interest for his failed attempt at a job for himself and others.
Now govt can stay small, but know that big bizz operates not on the welfare of the people but on the welfare of stockholder and their concerns are not for everyone in this country but but for everyone in a conference call. Govt is no angel, but the smaller the govt the bigger the population of homseless people, too old or too sick to work. Is not the 8 million dollar research of gummy fish I defend here, but the programs that are really sucking this country dry. And when I hear that these companies would leave if we do anything to annoy them like raising their taxes, that is so precious, as if they are not already. So what? We drop our wages to those of China? Then what would happen to our precious middle class, which by the Freaking way, would not have existed without the creation of unions…
Now I am just rambling.

The Truth About Who’s Responsible For The Explosion In Government Spending

Beauty.

Exactly.

At work, someone asked me why I wanted to tax the rich, why did I want to punish success. I said: The fair thing would be due tax increases to all but not all can afford it and since the debt included th debt incurred through the Bush and Obama Stimulus packages that went to help the wealthy, it should be time for them to return the favor to the american people. We were asked to take one for Wall St, so now it is only fair that Wall St takes one for Main St. In due time, hopefully govt can return to these tax cuts, but don’t just tell me that any increase will “kill jobs” because it certainly didn’t kill jobs in the years prior to Bush.

Typical neo- con bullshit. Yeah what we need is some more corporate welfare in this nation with Republicans leading the charge to roll over worker’s abilities to negotiate or have higher wages. :unamused:

The Republican party of big business and corporate welfare can kiss my ass.

The Democratic party of federalis and government bureaucracy can also kiss my ass.

Nobody is on the side of the average person anymore. What needs to happen is that the United States needs to default where the whole economical system world wide can come to a clean slate for everybody to restart over again. Bring on the global economical armageddon as far as I’m concerned.

bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= … go3fufKIbI

npr.org/2011/01/25/133211508 … sh-on-debt

weeklystandard.com/blogs/oba … 37207.html

Pick the cup you want to drink your Kool-Aid from.

The figures in the cinema of politics are international citizens acting out national beliefs. Ever since Obama has got into office he’s carried on, with complete linearity, the globalist agenda carried on by the president before him (and the president before him) who runs around praying to Owls in the woods, and is a member of the ‘skull and bones’ society, and his Father’s Mason name is ‘Moloch.’ People believe he’s a christian because the television says so. That is the story within the cinema.

It is not about the actor; it is about the cinema.

No matter what is said, no matter how complicated it gets (as that is the point), the fiat money system in the states is a system of debt wherein money which was, previous to 1913, printed by the United States, is now printed by the Rothchilds privately/with no oversight in, and loaned to the United States at interest. Obviously trying to pay off this interest with more money is an endless cycle. There is no such thing as a free market, and fluctuations are causes arbitrarily. No economist will/can deny any of that, but they cannot focus on the reality.

It is not about the reality; it is about the cinema.

Banks control the world, end of fucking story.

Simplistic reference yet highly illustrative in explaining the real world around us I think. :mrgreen: