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Read about this interesting state of mind/disorder here.
depersonalization.info/overview.html
Read about this interesting state of mind/disorder here.
Fascinating D dear! Where did the rest of your name diasppear? Just kidding!
Don’t compare any disorder to Alice in Wonderland because Alice daydreams the episodes, she’s in a day dream. How can you call that some depersonalization disorder?
By the way I’m not a medical doctor but the disorder you talk about seems to me something like hypothermia where the brain loses water temporarily and so you need to make sure that you dress properly for the cold weather outside. You can also get hypothermia inside if you feel cold. Panic will make it worse. Hypothermia makes you feel kinda odd because the brain is 2/3rds water and you need to make sure that you drink plenty of fluids, particularly in the winter. People who are skinny can get hypothermia even in the spring or winter if they feel chilly. I think long term hypothermia could lead to what you say depersonalization disorder, but I don’t know. I’m making a guess.
Depersonalization is exactly that: a constant daydream.
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The disordered state of mind is hatred for self as any word.
Hatred of myself as any word is the first self-disorganisation and self-dehumanisation and self-depersonalization and self-alienation that releads to me hating myself as depersonalised and as disorganised.
When I am taught to beleive that hating myself as any word is ok and normal, that self-hatred then makes me attempt the impossible: to stop depersonalising myself: impossible because my brains works by all words and all words make me who I am: both object and subject, both person and thing, both who and what.
Therefore, to hate myself as any word is to dehumanise and depersonalise and alienate myself in hate of the words ‘aliens’ and types of persons and humans as certain words, which hatred of myslef leads to hatred of others as myself.
The disordered state of mind will hate being disordered itself on the one hand and only love self as ordered and orderly on the other. Since Love is what we all need, Hate for self as any words will lead to being overly involved in daydreams about who and what we love oursleves as.
The ordered state of mind is the one character of Love of self as both ordered and disordered, as both orderly and disorganised, as both organised and chaotic, as human and as inhuman, as human and as alien, as angel and as demon, as subject and as object, as all persons and so as all personalities.
The ordered state of mind will make daydreams out of all words and images and nightmares, and will never have night-mares per se, which are simply dreams about who or what we hate. Love for each word and its opposite keeps an automatic balance between daydreaming and dayworking, sweet dreams and tough work, easy dreams and hard work. Love of self as all words leads to love of others as all words as self.
Example: If I am taught to hate myself as fun and hate myself as being made fun of, I will try to not let myself make fun out of myslef nor others, and try to not let others make fun out me, and be very upset when others make fun out of me, and try to outlaw fun rather than outlawing depersonalising Hatred for myself as fun.
In Love of myself depersonalised as serious and as fun, I love myself as fun and as funny and I make fun out of myself, and love to have others make fun out of me, and realise that others can’t help but make me what I am or make out of me what i am: fun! And will always take in Love whatever fun is made out of me, and will only make fun out of others in Love and Respect for them, as we say, laugh ‘with’ them and not ‘at’ them!
The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty,
which [word] is to be master - - that’s all.’ Lewis Carroll in Alice in Wonderland.
hope that helps.
loveand respect,
iloveu
Thanks, yeah that did help. And it makes sense. But it’s not that easy to break down the barriers that keep a disordered mind afloat.
No, it is not easy…AT first…since we have become accustomed to thinking with that barrier of hatred for self as certain words.
But if you commit yourself to loving you as all words, the self-reprogramming will begin automatically since your brain is just waiting for the go-ahead. It goes at the speed of thought, endlessly faster than 186000 mph speed of light! It will take only 9 months to reprogram the universe of your mind!
Then it gets less hard and lesser hard and easier and easier, then totally easy at will and on automatic.
The easiest thing to do is hardest initially only because easy things look foolish and of course we have been mistaught to hate selves as fools, even tho we are also taught double-messagedly that the first thing a wise man knows is that he is a fool!smile If we cd think as kids and hear how much adults hated fools, we wd never know how to walk or talk since we had to make fools of oursleves making endless mistakes on our way to learning to do it well! That hatred for self as words is why about teenagehood, we lose 90% of the enthusism we had for learning at 5 in kindergarten!
loveandr,
iloveu
Thanks. It was a bit uplifting. I had some control over my mind before, then this self-imposing defeatism set in, and these thoughts that I was losing my mind came back to me. Now I feel bad again.
That’s normal, D, since your brain is auto bringing up first what aspect of yourself, what selves it knows are starved for Love; so just love you defeated and as victorious, as victor and victim, and winner and loser, as sick and healthy, as glad and as sad. see?
U do it by saying it in your mind or aloud as a kid: I love me as victor and i love me as defeated, I lvoe me as winner and as loser. I love me as this and I lvoe me as that. U can also do deeper by just starting on the alphabet:
I love me as A and I love A a s me.
I love me as and I love B as me.
I love me as C abd I love C as me.
I love me as D! and I love D as me!
for all 26!
U will just be doing what you were not taught to do as a kid, what you were taught to NOT do, in primary school: to lvoe u as all words and their opposites just as u had been taught to lvoe u as each letter and sound!
As an adult, only u can teach u!
so please do it.
U will find yourself thinking about what youa re thinking: that is normal: just love whoever you think of u as! Notice how whatever you rthinki of u as is ALWAYS a word! Just love u as that word!
Here is somemore encouragement for you:
Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves [when we love everything that irritates us!]. Carl Jung.
“If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself.
What isn’t part of ourselves doesn’t disturb us.”
i.e. What we are that we don’t hate doesn’t disturb us when we see it and us in others. Herman Hesse
A thought transfixed me: for the first time in my life I saw the truth as it is set into song by so
many poets, proclaimed as the final wisdom by so many thinkers. The truth–that Love is the ultimate and
the highest goal to which man can aspire. Then I grasped the meaning of the greatest secret that human poetry and human thought and belief have to impart: The salvation of man is through Love and in Love. I understood how a many who has nothing left in this world still may know bliss, be it only for a brief moment, in the contemplation of his beloved. In a position of utter desolation, when man cannot express himself in positive action, when his only achievement may consist in enduring his sufferings in the right way–an honorable way–in such a position man can, through loving contemplation of the image he carries of his beloved, achieve fulfillment. For the first time in my life I was able to understand the meaning of the words, "The angels are lost in perpetual contemplation of an infinite glory of Love.†Viktor Frankl
“Circumstances do not make the man; they merely reveal him to himself. – Epictetus
As I have said, the moralistic approach to values must give way to an ontological one along whose lines good and bad are defined in terms of what promotes or blocks the fulfillment of meaning, regardless of whether it is the meaning of my self or that of someone else. Viktor Frankl
I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death. – Thomas Paine, The Crisis
“I had been scared by my own reflection.” Jerry Ralph. 10.13.04
That is who we are really scared of at all times until we learn to love all of our flections!smile
So true and reminds me of this:
“There is only one right remembering - the moment you remember all of yourself.”
Gautam Buddha used to illustrate his point with the ancient story of a lioness who was jumping from one hillock to another hillock, and between the two hillocks a big flock of sheep was moving.
The lioness was pregnant, and gave birth while she was jumping.
Her cub fell into the flock of sheep, was brought up by the sheep, and naturally, he believed himself also to be a sheep. It was a little strange because he was so big, so different - but perhaps he was just a freak of nature…
He was vegetarian.
He grew up, and one day an old lion who was in search of food came close to the flock of sheep - and he could not believe his eyes.
In the midst of the sheep, there was a young lion in its full glory, and the sheep were not afraid.
He forgot about his food; he ran after the flock of sheep… and it was becoming more and more puzzling, because the young lion was also running away with the sheep.
Finally he got hold of the young lion.
He was crying and weeping and saying to the old lion, “Please, let me go with my people!”
But the old lion dragged him to a nearby lake - a silent lake without any ripples, it was just like a pure mirror - and the old lion forced him to see his reflection in the lake, and also the reflection of the old lion.
At first, he was so scared at seeing himself!
Then there was a slow bur sure transformation.
The moment the young lion really realised who he ALSO was, there was a great roar - the whole valley echoed the roar of the young lion. He had never roared before because he had never thought that he was anybody other than a sheep.
The old lion said,
“My work is done; now it is up to you.
Do you want to go back to your own flock?”
The young lion laughed.
He said,
"Forgive me, I had completely forgotten who I also am.
And I am immensely grateful to you that you helped me to remember that I am also a lion.
I love myself as a lion and love my lions!
But I also love me as a sheep and also love my sheep!
I am both a lion and a lamb!
A lionish lamb and a lambish lion!â€
Whenever one is confronted with an inescapable, unavoidable situation, whenever one has to face a fate that cannot be changed, e.g., an incurable disease, such as an inoperable cancer, just then is one given a last chance to actualize the highest value, to fulfill the deepest meaning, the meaning of suffering.
For what matters above all is the attitude of Love which we take toward suffering, the attitude of Love in which we take our suffering upon ourselves. Viktor Frankl
Through his power to survey his life, man can transcend the immediate events which determine him. Whether he has tuberculosis or is a slave like the Roman philosopher Epictetus or a prisoner condemned to death, he can still in his freedom choose how he will relate to these facts. And how he relates to a merciless realistic fact like death can be more important for him than the fact of death itself. Rollo May
The decisive point is not what is thought but how it is thought.
Erich Fromm
“Experience is not what happens to you. It is what you do with what happens to you.†Aldous Huxley
Meanings are not determined by situations, but we determine ourselves by the meanings we give to situations. Alfred Adler
A person’s opinion of himself and the environment can best be deduced from the meaning he finds in life and from the meaning he gives to his own life. Individual Psychology of Alfred Adler.
“We insist life must have a meaning - but it can have no more meaning than we ourselves are able to give it. Because individuals can do this only imperfectly, religions and philosophers have tried to supply a comforting answer to the question. The answers all amount to the same thing: Love alone can give life meaning. In other words: the more capable we are of Love, and of giving Love to ourselves, the more
meaning there will be in our lives.” Herman Hesse (1877-1962) Reflections
loveand r,
iloveu
Thank you so much. You have helped me find myself. And you have taught me a lot.
Thank you for thanking me!
But most of all, I thank you for helping yourself!smile
all love and r,
iloveu
Hi iloveu,
I have enjoyed reading your posts, which have reminded me of truths that can be easily forgotten in the process of a difficult life. Sometimes we need to get back on track with a little guidance.
You have made me think of my deceased father. He was an unhappy man, always talking about what he hated and sometimes wiping out whole races of people with his vitriol. His defining characteristic was an unforgiving nature; once crossed he was an enemy for life - in my case to the very grave.
My father taught me about fear and hate, for those are the terms in which he perceived his world. Like Estelle in Dicken’s ‘Great Expectations’ I had
an education in embitteredness, carefully cultivated by my mentor. My hatred reached a peak after his unreconciled death, as I began to realise the full horror and implications of my experience.
In sharing his hate with me, my father had taught me to hate him and everything about him, and in doing so my rebellion from him brought me into a state similar to his own. He claimed me back in the very act of trying to escape from him.
There is only one path out of this prison, which is to understand, forgive, and (I say choking) - love him. Nothing less can release us from the bonds of this dynamic. I don’t have to love him for what he did, but for what he suffered, and this is my release, and my blessing. It’s a good feeling.
Cheers, e.