Hum, the better product has more customers. Beside, I haven’t eaten fast food in ages, actually only once in, hum 10+ years. Your analogies do not work with me. I do all my own cooking, cleaning, etc. Thank God I will be home soon, and actually have a home that is worth cleaning. BTW, my other half does all the yard work, I did it for a long time until he said “No,” you cut back my succulents to much. But I am not afraid of yard or housework, and neither is he. Next week he has to repair the master bedroom sink plumbing. That is, we earned the property, we care for it, we are not rich. In a communist system, individuals are deprived of owning their own land.
The better, more competatively priced product winss is the game. So?
They sure did in the Soviet food lines. Remember the shortages.
Nope, this is not a slippery slope as I am simply stating facts.
This is poor, shallow Johnny’s problem. So? I do not purchase designer duds, neither does my other half, neither do many US citizens. The teens are caught in the game until they move from home and realize that toilet paper costs money and is not free.
Yes, many in the West suffer from the keep up, and surpass the others. Many do not. Many outgrow this. At least they are given the freedom to do so. You know that freedom that does not exist in many communist lands. Chuckle. How many Cuban prostitutes sell themselves for money to support thier children? Sure, there are many US prostitutes, but they had opportunity and blew it. In Cuba, there is no opportunity.
LOL, typical. This is why so many flee Cuba to come to the USA. They have opportunity. Talk with a few Cuban refugees sometime. Many who supported the revolution, then were suppressed fled. Communism breeds despotism. Why were Lenin, Stalin and all the leader at the top of the heap. How about Rosa Luxemberg? It is human nature to rise to the top of the heap and control.
We the people are currently training our young in cooperative learning and understanding. We the people work in teams. The kid, my son, recently completed a MBA Darden business competition in teams. They did well and now he has a nice internship with a global company. This is the way it is going. Teamwork.
Scratch away, and I am quoting Friedman.
This is true. Even the poor in the USA, and at one point while attending university, and raising a young son I received food stamps, I still had more food and better clothes than the average person in any communist country. I also had health, dental and optical benefits, something I had always paid for, and still am paying $5,000 annum for.
??? Smile nice for the camera. So what? Complain under Chinese commuism and be executed. Complain in the West leaders often listen when we scream loud enough. Your point???
Hilarious. Do you realize that those who stole, when hungry, in the USSR were executed even if 10 or so. Those who said anything against the government were either executed or in a Gulag. Solchenitzen (sp) wrote on this. Go to a communist land and speak your mind and see where it gets you. Go ahead, have the courage of your convictions.
LOL, you will not as you know I am correct. So much for free speech and free thought.
I, similar to many own older cars??? Few are rich enough to own the Ferraris etc. Many of the bums have mental problems which we walk away from and is a crime. Others have their problems because of addiction. so…
Chuckle, I thought is was the capitalists like me! I am not building a monster at all. I challenge students to think regarding the idiots like Rush and Clinton. They all lie and I say so. Know what they really mean by their words as you are paying their bills.
The problem is that the communist blueprint is far worse than the capitalist one. Robots following in step to the party command. Hell, I reject all parties and at the moment have spent numerous hours blasting Bush regarding illegal immigrations.
I dated a guy who owned a Lamborgini once.
His society sucks because it is totalitarian and you know it. If not, go ther and live sometime. Talk to a few ex pats for information.
LOL, nope. I went head to head with more than one Marxist professor, wrote several essays slaming Marxism and still earned A’s. Marx did not understand human nature. Look at every communist system. Similar to the capitalists, the elites gain power, prestige and perks. Others do not and often starve. Kim the Klown is not starving, but his people are.
Wrong. Even in capitalism we are unrecognized. Me, I am not recognized, neither is my son. Do we make decent money, yes, but recognized no. I would rather have the money, a house and food than recognition. Even the guy who inventented the AK is very poor at the moment.
Sorry, I do mess up, as do all humans.
How very true. Again, Marx forgot human nature.
Yes, but once humans gain power, be it communist or capitalist they will do what it takes to retain it. All communist leaders reverted to typical human greed. At least capitalists are open regarding this and reign in the problem.
Nope, I was probably banned at the time.
The major problems with communism I see are:
Humans are greedy and do not relingish power easily, and usually only with bloodshed.
Because a person has 8 children does not mean said person deserves more than a single gifted person with no children.
And the man/owner has to pay taxes which amount to $90.00 daily for pay for health care, roads, etc.
Anything better???
My, you do have numerous excuses!
The Mafia died in Vegas a long time ago. ???
That is, free people kicked their asses.
Yes I did, look at all the gangs, the earliest of which were the Hell’s Angels , a few of whom I knew a long time ago. Scary hombres.
My point is if I became very unhappy in this land I simply would file for residence in another land. Very simple.
Like the massacres they incurred in China.
You trivialize massacres, or do you even know about them?
What has this to do with how great communism is. Chuckle, is this why the local cigarrret’s merchant is from Russian. He left a dying land.
There are many nations and I do not see why my tax dollars should pay for the education, health and welfare of individuals entering my land illegally. A land that spent a great deal in blood sweat and tears to build. Why isn’t Mexico reforming itself and welcoming others. Look at what they do south of their border before you throw stones. They have many resources and do not tax their very rich.
Ah, yes, lose a claim and make personal attacks. Quite loving and warm to those who deserve it; very realistic about life and economics is all. Can’t handle it? Too bad.
Have I made any personal attacks on you? NO.
More ad homs. What it it, does the little boy need a time out to reconnect with reality. I know reality, and know that the very poor of the world would like to do to me and my brethren who survived against all odds to become rich. All the poor have are feudal dictators.
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aspacia throw water on the poor soul’s face. Face reality bucko, they wilkl murder you too.
LMFAO, detrop, get a grip. It is only a discussion, not life or death.
aspacia:
Nope, communism made most equally poor. Can you name one country where communism thrives."
K: Dear me. So much misinformation. First of all communism has
NEVER been tried before. What the Russians had was certainly
not communism as envisioned by Marx, it was something else.
No one in the world has ever tried communism as defined by Marx.
A: The problem is that the communist blueprint is far worse than the capitalist one.
K: Simply not true and if you had actually read Marx you would know
that. Capitalism’s original writer was Adam smith and if you had
read him and understood him properly, you would understand
he was a CHRISTIAN writer. The invisible hand he speaks of
that magically creates a wonderful society is god.
Capitalism is based on god coming down and miraculously,
from greed, create a functionally society. Read him from that
perspective and you would understand exactly what drives
a capitalist society. You hope that some sort of invisible hand
creates order from the chaos of many people trying to
get their hand on a ever smaller piece of the pie.
A: LOL, nope. I went head to head with more than one Marxist professor, wrote several essays slaming Marxism and still earned A’s. Marx did not understand human nature. Look at every communist system. Similar to the capitalists, the elites gain power, prestige and perks. Others do not and often starve. Kim the Klown is not starving, but his people are.
K: Marx understood human quite well thank you very much.
He understood that human society is not a survival of the fittest
capitalist system we have now. No, society is based on and continues
from cooperation. Try to carry a couch up 7 flights of stairs by yourself
and you won’t make it, but get 10 people to help you and it can be
done under an half an hour. Society exist because we have
cooperated with each other. And that is the basis of marxism.
Every body helps and every body gains. The more people skip out
the harder it makes it on every body else. The capitalist the greedy
one who wants to hoard everything in sight, he exists on
the work of others. His profit is based on others working for him.
If everybody works, everybody, society could function far better
on far less work. That is Marxism in a nutshell. Its not hard
and it is right.
Right now people who have the most money have the most control/influence.
I’d prefer an IQ based meritocracy, instead of modern democracy.
People of the highest IQ should all be brought into a ruling party which is given totalitarian control.
Next off,
Was “Communist” Russia as bad as you Americans try to make it look?
When Russia turned “Capitolist-Democratic” – what happened?
Drugs & Crime went way up, population is actually DROPPING now…
=D>
Despite how much I like the idea of human population going down, I believe that “quality of life” consists primarily of sustainability, not “freedom”. I’d rather have my “freedoms” limited & my life extended, then die in a debochery free-for-all.
Another point being massively overlooked is that Russia at the time of the first revolution in the late 19th century was approximately the state of Britain prior to the industrial and agricultural revolutions i.e. no heavy industry, no mechanisation, subsistence farming, little use of scientific methods of breeding or crop production and so on and so forth.
As such, of course the average commie under Leninism and Stalinism was poorer than the average American. The country as a whole was much, much poorer. So aspacia (or anyone else for that matter) making such a comparison is making an argument of the quality ‘in Namibia they are poorer than us, so it must be because of one of the differences between us and them, such as the largely black population in Namibia. Hang on, blacks the world over are poor. It must be because they are black, rather than because they come from poor countries to begin with. Yeah, that’ll do’.
Still on the patronising and sexist comments. Good to see aspacia still hasn’t learnt the subtle art of tailoring insults to the person she’s trying to offend and just uses a reference to youth, immaturity and being male (her pet hate - can’t have people being male, oh no) whenever she’s run up against one of her famous limits.
someoneisatthedoor:
Another point being massively overlooked is that Russia at the time of the first revolution in the late 19th century was approximately the state of Britain prior to the industrial and agricultural revolutions i.e. no heavy industry, no mechanisation, subsistence farming, little use of scientific methods of breeding or crop production and so on and so forth.
K: Your point is quite valid here. It was only after decades of
brutal dictatorship did Russia create its industrial works.
S: As such, of course the average commie under Leninism and Stalinism was poorer than the average American. The country as a whole was much, much poorer. So aspacia (or anyone else for that matter) making such a comparison is making an argument of the quality ‘in Namibia they are poorer than us, so it must be because of one of the differences between us and them, such as the largely black population in Namibia. Hang on, blacks the world over are poor. It must be because they are black, rather than because they come from poor countries to begin with. Yeah, that’ll do’.
K: and its still fairly poor. Once Russia begins to mine its vast mineral
and metals, it could become wealthier. But my guess it
turns into a dictatorship again possibly with Putin, certainly by the
next guy after Putin. Capitalism is not a cure all and in fact may
be part of the problem with the world. but defenders of capitalism
do so only because its the system they know. I am not so sure
they would defend if it wasn’t the system of their birth.
At the moment, it is not just the capitalist who pays taxes, but the workers too. You may claim that corporations do not pay taxes, but they do and they have loop holes, just as you and I do.
Do you believe we would have the internet, the microwave, etc., if there was not economic benefit for the inventor? I doubt it. Remember, these billionaires to give millions to charities and schools. Local businesses have invested millions into programs and perks for students who are high achievers. These high achievers are rewarded with summer employment in the casinos. Would the student be a high achiever without direct economic benefit. I doubt it.
someoneisatthedoor:
Another point being massively overlooked is that Russia at the time of the first revolution in the late 19th century was approximately the state of Britain prior to the industrial and agricultural revolutions i.e. no heavy industry, no mechanisation, subsistence farming, little use of scientific methods of breeding or crop production and so on and so forth.
K: Your point is quite valid here. It was only after decades of
brutal dictatorship did Russia create its industrial works.
S: As such, of course the average commie under Leninism and Stalinism was poorer than the average American. The country as a whole was much, much poorer. So aspacia (or anyone else for that matter) making such a comparison is making an argument of the quality ‘in Namibia they are poorer than us, so it must be because of one of the differences between us and them, such as the largely black population in Namibia. Hang on, blacks the world over are poor. It must be because they are black, rather than because they come from poor countries to begin with. Yeah, that’ll do’.
K: and its still fairly poor. Once Russia begins to mine its vast mineral
and metals, it could become wealthier. But my guess it
turns into a dictatorship again possibly with Putin, certainly by the
next guy after Putin. Capitalism is not a cure all and in fact may
be part of the problem with the world. but defenders of capitalism
do so only because its the system they know. I am not so sure
they would defend if it wasn’t the system of their birth.
At the moment, it is not just the capitalist who pays taxes, but the workers too. You may claim that corporations do not pay taxes, but they do and they have loop holes, just as you and I do.
Do you believe we would have the internet, the microwave, etc., if there was not economic benefit for the inventor? I doubt it. Remember, these billionaires to give millions to charities and schools. Local businesses have invested millions into programs and perks for students who are high achievers. These high achievers are rewarded with summer employment in the casinos. Would the student be a high achiever without direct economic benefit. I doubt it.
But I do get the point.
Humans do not have hive values, they have herd/individualist values.
Capitolism & even cannibalism fit perfectly into human instinct.
aspacia:
Nope, communism made most equally poor. Can you name one country where communism thrives."
K: Dear me. So much misinformation. First of all communism has
NEVER been tried before. What the Russians had was certainly
not communism as envisioned by Marx, it was something else.
No one in the world has ever tried communism as defined by Marx."
A: True, humans come into power and hold their power in any way possible. This is seen in any political system."
K: yep.
A: The problem is that the communist blueprint is far worse than the capitalist one.
K: Simply not true and if you had actually read Marx you would know
that. Capitalism’s original writer was Adam smith and if you had
read him and understood him properly, you would understand
he was a CHRISTIAN writer. The invisible hand he speaks of
that magically creates a wonderful society is god.
Capitalism is based on god coming down and miraculously,
from greed, create a functionally society. Read him from that
perspective and you would understand exactly what drives
a capitalist society. You hope that some sort of invisible hand
creates order from the chaos of many people trying to
get their hand on a ever smaller piece of the pie."
A: I scanned Smith. Thanks for the information, I did not know this. Hilarious, but still Communism calls to outlaw all religions and demands that the world become communist. I find this just as ominous as relying of God creating economic order from chaos.
K: NOPE, Marx only believe the religion was used to keep
the great mass down. Read the bible which Marx was quite
familiar with, see how Jesus stood for the “common man”
not for the landlord or rich man, yet for a thousand years before
Marx, the church had stood for the landlord and the rich, not the
“common man” and that is what Marx was talking about.
And Marx never, ever, demanded that the world become communist.
He said it was “historical inevitability” that the world would become
communist, but did not demand because he felt it would happen
someday, no matter what. It was the later dictatorship writers
that demanded that the world become communist.
A: LOL, nope. I went head to head with more than one Marxist professor, wrote several essays slaming Marxism and still earned A’s. Marx did not understand human nature. Look at every communist system. Similar to the capitalists, the elites gain power, prestige and perks. Others do not and often starve. Kim the Klown is not starving, but his people are.
K: Marx understood human quite well thank you very much."
A: If so, then why did all the leaders create a power grab and hold on to it inf such a bloodthirsty manner. I mean millions have been executed by communist leaders, ditto for totalitarian leaders. Hence, my conclusion that Marx really did not understand human nature.
K: Marx did understand human nature. Notice even you said
it was the later leaders who did the power grab and killed millions.
Marx died decades before communism came into being in communist
russia. Lenin and Stalin was interested in power, not in communism.
Communism was simply a means to a end. You can’t convict a writer
of killing millions decades after he died.
K: He understood that human society is not a survival of the fittest
capitalist system we have now."
A: He argued regarding the dialect of capitalism. Making more goods, disenfranchising workers will eventually lead to businesses not have any more customers. He did not see governments stepping in and attempting the create a bit of a balance.
K: Again, this is his fault how?
K: No, society is based on and continues
from cooperation. Try to carry a couch up 7 flights of stairs by yourself
and you won’t make it, but get 10 people to help you and it can be
done under an half an hour."
A: Yes, we do cooperate. What would happen if everyone stopped working together. I would not have a job if not for students. The president would not have a job but for voters.
K: I have always maintain workers should simply stop.
I believe that the upper classes need us more then we need them
and by simply stop work we can reclaim our lives.
K:Society exist because we have
cooperated with each other. And that is the basis of Marxism.
A: Yes, but Marx forgot that people will not work hard unless they are rewarded. Why bust my tail to create a new efficient way of doing something when I will not have any reward in the way of more food, better housing. Remember the huge amount of corruption that occurred when inspectors were bribed by contractors to pass a building that really was not up to code.
K: Ah, lie number one of capitalist. Do you do everything you do
because you are rewarded? Actually, very little in our lives
gets rewarded. We have children, very little reward there, (I am
a father) we do hobbies that don’t offer us monetary rewards.
See your arguments fails because it is based on monetary
rewards, and not on other type of rewards. I can get rewarded
in the satisfaction of doing a job well done, but according to
your theory it would not be a “reward sufficient to do the job”
because that would not be money. See you are so entrenched
in the capitalist mentality that you can’t see beyond money as
being the only reward you can get. Under your theory there
is no incentive to be nice to people because you don’t get
rewarded. See the flaw. I see kindness every single day and
none of it ever get rewarded, so why do it?"
A: The point is that many humans want tangible rewards for work well done. Why should a person buts his or her rear end to be the top in any profession when wealth is distributed by need, not merit.
K: Money, money, money. that is all you can see.
K: Every body helps and every body gains. The more people skip out
the harder it makes it on every body else. The capitalist the greedy
one who wants to hoard everything in sight, he exists on
the work of others. His profit is based on others working for him.
If everybody works, everybody, society could function far better
on far less work. That is Marxism in a nutshell. Its not hard
and it is right.
A: At the moment, it is not just the capitalist who pays taxes, but the workers too. You may claim that corporations do not pay taxes, but they do and they have loop holes, just as you and I do.
K: if you get rich enough you too can bribe a congressmen and
get tax breaks galore.
A: Do you believe we would have the internet, the microwave, etc., if there was not economic benefit for the inventor? I doubt it. Remember, these billionaires to give millions to charities and schools. Local businesses have invested millions into programs and perks for students who are high achievers. These high achievers are rewarded with summer employment in the casinos. Would the student be a high achiever without direct economic benefit. I doubt it.
K: the internet was actually a government project.
It was set up between 7 universities and the defense department.
The 7 universities were, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, ummmmm
I am getting old, I used to know this. Oh well and the defense
department in Washington dc. That is the start of the internet
as we know it. The microwave too, actually had a government
beginning. Surprisingly enough, a lot of technology in the last
70 years came from government work. For examples,
Radar, tang, ready to eat meals such as MREs, for examples.
As far as rewards go, you can only see money as a reward.
Rewards have many different shapes and sizes. Your reward
may come in the shape and size of a child. That is what is wrong
with capitalism. You only see reward in terms of money
and so little of life gets rewarded in terms of money.
Orcourse Jesus was a communist, but at the same time “Christian” America hates communism.
True communists are true Christians, with different premises.
The Jesus idea was based on faith, in that he forwarded the idea of an eventual justice after death, in which all communist virtue was rewarded in heaven by god.
On the other hand, atheist & materialist communism focuses on the earthy reward for the common people.
Hum, if I understand you correctly, you would rather have another have total control over your life than have control over your own life, mistakes and triumphs lost?
You have grown a great deal Dan, keep up the good work kid!
PK:
K: and its still fairly poor. Once Russia begins to mine its vast mineral
and metals, it could become wealthier. But my guess it
turns into a dictatorship again possibly with Putin, certainly by the
next guy after Putin. Capitalism is not a cure all and in fact may
be part of the problem with the world. but defenders of capitalism
do so only because its the system they know. I am not so sure
they would defend if it wasn’t the system of their birth.
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I have many had many students who were lucky to escape communist lands and love the USA, similar to Polish people. Freedom is not seen in any communist country, again this goes back to my claim regarding human greed and need for tangible rewards. You are right regarding Putin. He will again be another dictator, albeit without the communist connection.
Chuckle, yes Jesus was very communal in his mindset, and this was how many thousands of years before communism.
Just a side note: women in Russia and many other countries stopped having so many children because the other half did not help. Both he and she worked, but she was still expected to do all the household chores while they lived in an apartment with no yard. Hence, Russia outlawed abortion.
??? You could not even be a member of the communist party if affiliated with a religion???
But those rewarded were at the top of the communist food chain, not the average communist.
The arrogant book worm???
Please, I need more then bad blood within your own family tree as evidence that people of the higher IQ are of the lower quality in character, world view and choice…
Ignorance and stupidity are the greatest source of human suffering on earth, and for anyone to turn that around and make it appear as if intelligence was the problem…
Please, show me some REAL evidence of and for your claim; do not show me a single first hand experience.
So, them having it less “well off” [less money] makes them an “average schmuch”…!?
I believe that you have no need to reword what I’ve said.
I said:
“I believe that “quality of life” consists primarily of sustainability, not “freedom”. I’d rather have my “freedoms” limited & my life extended, then die in a debochery free-for-all.”
In American, “freedom” and irresponsability often look like the same thing…
This is because the church is capitolist, untrue, inequality non-sense!
Go, see how “Christian” you americans are… Jesus died in all ways.
Sadly, the soviets had various citizen classes. Having a class system like this is not marxist, IMO. Still, I believe Communist Russia was better then capitolist Russia!
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