Did you have a religious related epiphany recently if so what was it if your willing to discuss it…
Specifically I am interested if anyone had or had the beginnings of an epiphany around April 27th this year?
Yes, I had something you might call an epiphany recently. I am curious as to why you are asking if it was around that date. I think mine may have been near that date, but I am only going to seriously think about when mine was if I have some reason to believe there is any correlation, as you seem to be implying. I highly doubt there is, but it might lead to some interesting conversation anyway. Don’t want to share details here quite yet.
So, do you want to share the reason for specifying the date in your question?
You may PM me if you don’t feel comfortable.
Well to be metaphorical… Something pulled out an Epiphany machine gun and unloaded a few hundred clips on me during that period of time. Basically i had a bunch of life changing realizations concerning the nature of the spiritual, and practically everything… This was the period of the tornadoes that hit the south and i was in one of those areas and there was a week and a half power outage, during which I had all sorts of “revelations” and wrote more in such a short period of time then i have written ever. It all happened right after I quit smoking and quit taking other medications which turned out to be unnecessary anyways and then began having all sorts of “revelations” during the poweroutage, wrot alot of it down, and eneded up becoming a vegitarian by the end of it among all sorts of other life changes including stopping wasting time playing video games as much and watching pointless TV, and such…Anywyas that is a rediculous summary of a big life changing time period, that oddley corresponded to the odd weather and could be said to have been helped by such. And further more, I asked Fixed Cross, because I was wondering about the date because of all that happened to me on it, what the astrological transits suggetsted of the time, and he puulled up the conditions at least and said this, not having the time to do a deep analysis:
and then I went online and did a little research and it all suggested that all these particular aspects were those associated basically with times of trial or growing or deep learning…I pulled this together though it might be off…I’m no prof. astrologer:
And of course I am not trying to say that astrology is absolutely right I just find it odd that all such stuff happened at the same time as the astrological signs correspond to what happened quite well…
Regardless of the astrology though it seemed like maybe some serious shit was going down then.
Why yes, yes I have, Abstract. I have realized that Jesus Howard Christ is my lord and savior, and spiritual leader of all western men and women, peace be upon him. I have realized that jewish people are christ killers, and take great pride and joy at the fact of killing the son of our God, made into flesh. I have realized that peace is impossible without christ, and only christ offers a true message of peace, by renouncing the cycle of hatred wrought by revenge. I have realized that jesus is responsible for all, as he takes the responsibility of all others upon Himself. He is son of the holy father, made into the father of mankind. He is male, and resembles the essence of responsibility and personal accountability. Only men can be responsible for others. Women and children are never responsible for themselves. This is why christ is so important. Judaism is a religion for women and children, or what I should say is, only people with the minds of children are jews. Christianity, preached by our lord christ, is about adulthood and the responsibility necessitated by being an adult, and parent, over children.
Children and man children are bastards and fatherless people. These are the types who have frivolous sex without thinking. These are stupid and inferior people, without families. They have no sense of permanence, because their lives are not the enduring kind or type. They exist entirely at the discretion of religious people, meaning, christians. Christians believe in permanence, because christians believe in family and traditional marriage, between man and woman. Homosexuals are an obamination, and should be burned at the stake. Witches, heretics, and magicians should all be burned at the stake, for practicing magic and witchcraft, including scientists and science. Science is bullshit anyway. Anybody who believes in science is a moron, in my humble opinion of course. Science is pseudo religion, and trying to copy religion. Science is ignorant about how the world works. Only God truly knows.
As a Christian, I realize my enemies are first jews, and then muslims, and then scientists and other non believers. I am of the truest faith, in God. I am the truest christian possible or imaginable. Just about every “christian” today is a heretic, and not a true follower of christ. These heretics should be punished and sent to hell for stumbling and doubting the faith. The power of Christ compels you.
Both the muslims and jews are believers in one God, why hate them?
But anyways i wouldn’t mind be-questing, do you think that Jesus is God, or a manifestation of God?
No no no, Abstract, muslims and jews believe in an impure, and perverted version of God.
Check this shit out, my bruthah. youtube.com/watch?v=tYXHKLmpVBs
Jesus is son of God, God in the flesh, perfection made real and realized. The circle of all violence and bloodshed, all revenge and evil, end with Christ. He is the epitome of peace, spiritual, physical, whatever.
But it does not follow from Jesus being the son of God that he is God. I would think God is infinite and cannot be contained in any mortal form purely and thus Jesus can only really be a part of or manifestation of God. And as such I would think that worshiping Jesus alone in recognition that Jesus is a part of the trinity is thus worship of only one third of God. Thus one should worship all of God, and not over focus on only one aspect.
What part of “Jesus Christ is the realization of God” don’t you understand? God birthed his son. Jesus became God by the realization of the principle of peace. By undoing the chain of violence, hate, and revenge, he was the first existent creature in the entire universe, to reverse the chain of violence, or break it completely. Only christians can know peace for that reason. Jews hate christ for the same reason. Jews were excluded from peace, by their rejection of the son of God. In rejecting christ, jews rejected peace, and also God. That is why jews continue to struggle for peace. They’ll never accept it, or they may never accept it. It’s pretty unlikely.
Which part of God?
Well, trinity is catholic heresy. Catholics are false christians, and should be burned at the stake for that heresy.
As for the video i think it is crucial to understand that it is the ideas of God held by some Muslims that is perverted (just like many “Christians”), I have actually studied the Qur-an and it holds exactly the same principles of what God is, the only negative aspects in it it that it does not say slavery was bad, just like the bible, and it suggests negative treatment of women to a degree, both of which are things that have been discarded as old-hat by most Muslims, just as such has been discarded as old-hat by most Christians (there are a few other qualms but it is not drastic, most of it is like the difference of what cloths one wears to go to church, the stance for prayer and such). The problem is with the “hadiths” which are really crazy mythical interpretations of it all. Plus according to the non altered meaning of Muslim in the qur’an it says that a Muslim is anyone who follows the scriptures of the bible or the qur’an. So technically according to the true definition, not the one altered by assumptions of the Americas, we are all Muslims. but then many proclaimed “Muslims” or those who specifically say they follow the qur’an don’t know that…
I already agree that most muslims are also christians, because muslims accept jesus as a prophet. But muslims must also accept jesus as the son of God, to realize the ideal of christianity. Christians and muslims have much more in common with each other, than either do with judaism and jews. Jews are most distant from God, because of their constant rejection of Christ, and confusion of religion in general. Jews are confused about God. Just as peace is necessary in life, so too is violence and evil necessary in life. The most ironic thing is that Jesus was born from a jewish mother, but not a jewish father.
So then anyone can become God by the realization of the principle of peace?
I think it is important to realize that even given that others may not see truth that that does not mean they cannot come to see it, for example A jew or a muslim can become a christian.
I don’t know about the treatment you propose as it is up to God to pass judgement. but I think I would agree that the trinity was heresy.
It’s not that simple. Read Nietzsche’s genealogy of morals. It is not just about believing in the principle of peace, but also embodying it in sexuality. Morality is genealogical.
Can they? How?? Consider what it means to “accept Christ as lord and savior”. What does that mean?
Pass judgment about what? Christ acted as judge when he renounced violence in principle. Jews were judged by their rejection of Him. Why does God choose jews as his chosen people, when they continue to reject Him? I don’t know.
Well I think it is important to realize that while the Jewish doctrine is outdated in many ways, and many hold to that, there holding to such is much due to upbringing, and still it was from them that God first taught us and from them that we came, in a sense we are all jewish…
I think the problem with muslims, or rather kuran’ers, accepting that Jesus is the son of God is that the qur’an speaks against the trinity, and the idea that Jesus is purely God, rather then an aspect or manifestation of the infinite. A muslim might agree that Jesus is the son of God, but disagree that Jesus was the only son. While Jesus may have been the son more directly begotten, that would likely be argued too in that even a birth is “made” by god… so we are all made by god but in different ways, and the bible even says that israel was the son of God. Much of the resistance of the idea of the trinity relates to the sayings in the kuran, “do not join other Allahs with Allah”
I don’t know what else to say. Jesus may have had siblings, but like you said, been the first son or the highest son. I don’t see any problem with considering that possibility.
I would agree that sexuality is an aspect of it, avoidance from unnecessary desire that in effect is a waste and thus a form of taking from future generations, a indirect form of stealing perhaps.
the problem with that saying and thus part of the resistance to it is that it suggests that Christ is purely God rather then an aspect of God that became, i guess you could say, one with God by means of realization of peace. And detracts from the idea that others can achieve like growth. Among other connotations or thoughts of the meaning. it is like the idea of “islam” or submission to the will of God. At first it sounds bad because it seems like giving up the free will but then I would think it seems like it could be reasonable in the sense that one should submit to the fact that Gods gunna do what God’s gunna do, but further that what God does is what is best, thus if one submits to God they are opening themselves to be aided by and used by God to do good and God wouldn’t of course take over the will to do such so much as perhaps give influence or something…in that sence such seems reasonable…I feel that much of the problem between the various things are a matter of misunderstanding, where yes there are incorrect beliefs but the incapacity to recognize the incorrectness is due to miscommunication from both ends.
I shouldn’t say judgment as judgment is reasonable in so far as one means discernment between concerns and such… I should say that one should not condemn another, because we humans are not perfect and cannot know what another person is capable of, we cannot know for certain that God will not perhaps influence them enough or they might turn to God and see. We are not all knowing, and thus we should leave the condemning up to God. and should not over generalize evility to the entire mass of a group such as the muslims, or speak in a manner that might lead followers or others to think such is what we mean. For example it is reasonable to fight a terrorist or one that oppresses, but then one should be careful not to fight those that one does not have to fight. As in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah the city was not destroyed until all righteous had left, that being lot. We cannot be so perfect as God and we will make mistakes but it is thus our responsibility to do our best to avoid harming the innocent. And while I see that you may feel the same way, what you said incites rage and vengeance in many and is misunderstood by some such as to lead them to do harm to the general people rather then those that are the actual threat.
I honestly doubt he had siblings…but it is possible… But what I meant is that in that we are all made by God we are all sons of God, we may not be of the same nature or the “highest” son, but that does not mean we are less other then in so far as they let themselves be less. It is like you said that one must have the realization of peace. To be not less one must have the realization that the more, peace, is true and good, and possible, and such…
Well see, to start with, Jesus was a Jew. According to the Book of Matthew Jesus taught
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you…"
Well, yes, but you see, the jews rejected and betrayed Jesus. In essence, this means jews reject some aspect of themselves which embodies God. What does that mean? It means I reject that rejection, as a follower of Christ, and a true christian. Why can’t jews just accept Christ as their lord and savior? I don’t know. Jews seem spiteful for some reason. Jews have a different relationship with God than us christians. I don’t know why jews reject the principle of peace. Perhaps they aren’t convinced to strive for a near impossible peace, or that it’s not worth pursuing? I believe peace is worth pursuing, and, it is the only possibility for individual peace. I guess I’m a protestant, aren’t I?
Wow. I have no idea what is going on anymore. I mean, there is so much of what was in your post (the parts regarding astrology) that are things that are always present in my life, so I’m not convinced yet on the astrological significance of this. But it is strange that this happened to you around the same time as me, and I just happened to see it. Regardless, it would be interesting to discuss what it is you now understand that you didn’t understand before the epiphanical machine gun unloading.
I wouldn’t call what I experienced “revelations” because I do not believe it was revealed to me by some being. I was thinking about Buddhist concepts. I don’t remember the first epiphany (which one it was), but it has had a lasting effect. It is why I am here in this forum.
I am even stronger in my belief now that behind all religions is the same thing.
Um. Now what? I don’t know how you can answer that, but…
P.S. I also became a vegetarian (at first I failed, but I’m back to it). I also did a bunch of random writing about the whole thing.
EDIT: I just checked the dates on the pieces of writing that I did and the earliest is the 7th of May. I didn’t do them right away, it was several days, maybe a week or so before that time that the whole deal started.
Well I tend to think it is plausible that plaents might have minor influence on the way eople think at the least and so may correspond to things, still not knowing much on astrology but what I have learned recently I would wonder if there was a significance of saturn in your charts such as to make those ualities you get all the time…but tgenerally these are things felt all the time by many when astrology points to it it just suggests it might have a greater significance…But yeah…
I would say revelations broadly as simply the world impacts us and causes revelations, regardless of whether it is a sentient being or not…I wouldn’t mind discussing the ideas I had but they are likely controversial some still sinking in and I find it odd that yours where Buddhist, mine would be easily related to such but took an evolvement into Taoistic first, Basically I read the Tao te ching and the thought that I was Lao Tsu in my past life crossed my mind (even though it is unknown whether the writer was one person), because it was exactly like something I would have written in the state of mind I was in… I have studied Buddhism before and find many links to my thoughts especially now though I am seeing problems with some of the way the ideas have changed over time. I have been studying Hinduism too and am finding much quite interesting… I to was lead here by the thoughts that propagated from the realizations I had during that time period. Much of what happened was a culmination of thoughts i had already had to some extent, like things going from a state of knowing them to a state of understanding them. Much of it had to do with, while already seeing that everything was connected, taking this deeper to heart and seeing ridiculous connections to things and patterns to the movements of life…IDkK it is almost hard to explain, I feel that even if I word it all there will be misunderstanding.
Exactly, There are differences and problems, but the ultimate message is the same for the most part, different paths to enlightenment.
I think it is important to try to grow and see more as this aids the self but can also aid in discussing the underlying message with people who might be held back by certain interpretations and such. My plan is to work on things to aid people in seeing the interconnections of the religions. And that the main problem is peoples interpretations, miscommunication. So that is my main goal, and to connect with other people that see this like you, as that might be important to it all.
If your interested i put together some of what I have been seeing about vegitarianism on this page: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=176329
Got into some silly arguing with one dude, but I also put some stuff on good sources of certain vitamins and minerals on the 2nd page…i included fish but I don’t personally eat them…
As for the date, with regards to the astrology bit, it was around the time of April 7th so it could have been that late, but then that was for the location where i live in south east America, it might be a bit different and have related at different times, if the astrology played into it. Though it is just as plausible that it has to do with culmination of events in the world or something, or a collective subconscious maybe…IDK