What exactly do you mean die for the religion? At this point it time there is so much talk about suicide bombers and such that i wanted to clarify. Are you simply speaking of martyrdom in terms of death rather than denial of religion and/or God? Or are you opening this up to something broader?
Dying for your religion would be rather pointless.
It’s rather foolish for an Atheist to die for their beliefs, dont you think, Dr. S? I think you’re more likely to die because of your beliefs than for them. The CoS would never ask or expect you to die for Satanic principles… that would be rather contradictory of the whole, “Self as God” ideal, would it not? Most of their principles revolve around the avoidance of death.
I would die before, accepting a religion without good reason. I am not aware of what happens to me after death, my mind might continue on attached to some other body, or float free, or infinite possibilites.
But if I were to accept a religion without good reason, one of two things would happen:
I as I know myself now, would cease to exist. People would talk of me being born agian, and they would be even more right than they know. After all what left of me would be significant. My carrer would have to change. I’d treat my friends differantly almost certianly turning on some of them. My entire way of thinking about and examining the world would change.
I would be trapped in my own mind by some sort of double think. I would maintain my current identiy, but spend so much of my life playing the role that I would sometimes forget which is which. It would be like a little hell where I see myself doing things but have little power to change it.
It’s pretty much like my signature says. Threaten me with fire or whatever you want, I’ve already imagened much worse if I lose hold of my identity.
I’m more agnostic than anything else, because I have no idea if god exists, and I’m not about to pretend that I do.
However, if I was kidnapped by members of “Religion X”, and told to observe thier religion in every way at threat of death. (An extremely unlikly possibility.) You can bet I’d be the most devout member of “Religion X” you ever saw.
Hmm…where did this come from? Of course I would never die for a philosophy/religion.
But your post confuses me…change my vote? Prior to viewing the thread …just now…I hadn’t voted.
Of course I voted no
On another note, what the hell is roman chalotic?
And I am pretty sure I’m not mistaken when I say Zep never wrote any such lyrics into ‘Stairway to Heaven’
If I had a religion that meant everything to me, it would mean that through this religion I had what I would define as the perfect relationship with God. It would mean that I had God in my heart, in my Soul, and that all else would be illusion. If someone threatened to kill me because I professed my faith, then I would simply stop professing it. It would not change what was in my mind or in my heart. It would only change what I stated or perhaps how I behaved, but my God and my Self would know the Truth of our relationship. I would not ever destroy the life God has given me as a gift in order to prove some sort of ego fist-banging stance on my relationship with God. It is private and intimate and would not be removed from me except by perhaps a lobotomy. Therefore, I think God would find it a death in vain if I killed myself solely to make some point about my love for God - that would be between me and God alone. Therefore, I would do whatever these murderous people would ask of me, and I would silently continue my love for God.
Well, I don’t see how i could “die” for my religion, as my personal beliefs are tied somewhere between Buddhism and Taoism (No not Zen Buddhism either) and I have no real “greater” cause to die for. Now on the other hand, I would die for some “greater cause” I believed in, but I don’t see how it could truly tie into my religion.
Maybe if someone said “Convert to (enter thiest religion here) NOW!” I might pretend to convert, but that could never change my personal beliefs. Thats simply impossible.
The original question reminds me of a chain mail I once got, where theres a mass goin’ on and two guys with guns come in and tell everyone “anyone willing to take a bullet for christ, stay in the church” or somethin like that and I can’t remember how many people left, but after they did, the two guys said to the priest “here are your true believers, father, you may continue mass” Augh, the hypocrisy! The people who left were the ones who were thinking, because they could then go and help poor people and spread christianity and all o’ that. Anybody could just do exactly what the two guys did, it’s not like they have authority within christianity to decide “whos a true believer”
Maybe the person who started the letter was somebody plannin to do something like that. Or maybe just a dumb christian.
Well, I bet you all know already that most preachy chain mail won’t be converting anyone any time soon, but I had to get that off my chest.
lame excuse for murder… ‘God told me so’…
i’ve used this argument before, but imo, you shouldn’t be worshipping a god who would ask you to kill… if he did, you shouldn’t obey