Does democracy require the freedom to listen?

Does the freedom of speech also imply the freedom to listen?

I live in Europe, where the declaration of human rights article 19 says:

This clearly includes the freedom to listen, but I can’t find a similar right to receive information in the American constitution. Please tell me if I’m wrong. I think the freedom to speak is useless without the freedom to listen. In theory, a state could confine people to voice their unpopular ideas in a free speech zone and prohibit everybody else to go there and listen.

The reason why I am interested in the right to receive information is because of its implications for the democratic process. Voters need detailed information and analysis in order to cast the vote that is optimal from their point of view. But nobody is guaranteeing that the voters can receive this information at an affordable price. Freedom of the press is no guarantee for information quality. Commercial mass media are controlled by the free market forces of the market for viewers/listeners/readers as well as the market for advertisers. It may be more profitable for a TV station to cover an election campaign by discussing the personalities of political candidates and their strategies and spin, than to present a detailed analysis of the likely consequences of their policies. A TV station that upholds the highests ideals of journalism ethics and provides detailed analysis rather than sex, violence and gossip may not survive the competition on the free market.

Economists have known for many years that it is not profitable for the individual voter to pay for the necessary information because the probability of casting a decisive vote is miniscule (Downs: An economic theory of democracy, 1957). Therefore, somebody has to provide detailed and impartial information to the voters for free, but who?

Many countries in Europe and elsewhere have a tradition of publicly financed noncommercial public-service TV and radio, and this has worked quite well in most cases. But the current trend is to rely more and more on the free market forces in order to prevent undue political influence on the news supply.

I can’t find any discussion of the implication of this dilemma on the functioning of democracy. I intend to write an article about it, and I would appreciate any references to relevant literature.

The first amendment:

If you put together the “freedom of speech” and “the right of the people peaceably to assemble”, the govt is not allowed to make laws that would regulate speech, including indirectly through methods that are either not “viewpoint neutral”, or “overbroad”, or “underinclusive”. And they simply cannot forbid peaceable gatherings. Check out oyezhttp://www.oyez.org/oyez/portlet/directory/400/

The state would have to state a reason why they are forbidding an otherwise peaceful gathering. Their reason cannot have anything to do with regulating speech.

In addition, logically: if I am speaking, but am “shut-up” by the govt because they forbid me to have listeners, then I don’t really see the difference between stopping me from speaking (which is textually forbidden) and from stopping me from having listeners. Stopping me from having listeners is a violation of my free speech.

And don’t forget the 9th amendment

Which would clearly cover any unenumerated right to see and hear, especially in the area of political speech.

I’ve got to believe that some if not most free speech cases have discussed a right of performers/speakers to reach an audience. Or the basic idea of democracy is to have an unregulated dialogue. Dialogue includes both sides, speeaking and listening.

On the economics of the media, I noticed this book, but haven’t read it, Democracy, Inc., David S. Allen, http://www.press.uillinois.edu/s05/allen.html.

They have indeed forbidded reporters access to a free speech zone for reasons of public order or whatever. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone

Back to the problem of democracy. I still think voters need a source of neutral information. Commercial mass media are not neutral because the market logic will always force them in the direction of attention-catching subjects and simplistic explanations. The problem is whether state-sponsored noncommercial media will be less biased? See my working paper at http://www.agner.org/cultsel/mediacrisis.pdf.

Thank you for the reference to the book “Democracy, Inc.”. It’s not published yet, but I will be waiting for it.

This story was so unbelievable that I’ve had to go to other sites to make sure it was true! Here’s a pretty good analysis from findlaw.com http://edition.cnn.com/2004/LAW/08/04/hilden.freespeech/index.html

The Constitution does indeed guarantee the right of peaceful assembly, but unfortunately the Bill of Rights tends to get trampled during wartime (every war, no matter who’s in office at the time). Millions of Americans have died defending our nation and its Constitution over the years, but this point is continually lost on people. The old saying “Freedom isn’t free” is very true.

Thank you “Listen” for the legal analysis. But it seems you still don’t have a guaranteed right to seek information. Somebody can still be prevented from going into the free speech zone and listen. Or they could ban access to Iranian websites, or whatever.

They can’t ban Iranian websites in America, or at least not yet. It would be a tremendous technical hurdle, anyway. That’s the problem the Chinese government is facting, too, now that the WWW has ‘infiltrated’ China to a large degree. Becoming more wired was a side effect of modernizing and creating a pseudo-Capitalist system, but they’ve found with that technology comes access to information. They’re finding it hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube, so to speak.

It’s the nature of humans to desire freedom and autonomy. It’s the nature of government to try to take that power and control for itself. That’s the danger inherent in the social contract we all ‘sign’ when we participate in society. As one of the framers of our constitution said, “Government, like fire, is a dangerous tool and a fearful master.”

Who watches the watchmen?

a question for bradbury…

who watches the firemen?

-Imp

Farenheit 451 kicks ass… I once saw that movie adaptation they made in the 60s after reading the book, it sucked. I hear Bradbury is working on making an updated version, one that might show more stuff from the book. It would be interesting if one of the Book People were the U.S. Constitution and then another the U.S. Dec of Independence. I wonder why Bradbury never thought of that…

The media is controlled by money, and the money is controlled by the corporate powers that be, especially after the FCC relaxed the laws on who may control the media. It is all about public relations, not information. Noam Chomsky summed it up nicely in the following excerpts:

[i]It is important to bear in mind that political campaigns are designed by the same people who sell toothpaste and cars. Their professional concern in their regular vocation is not to provide information. Their goal, rather, is deceit. Their task is to undermine the concept of markets that we are taught to revere, with informed consumers making rational choices (the tales about “entrepreneurial initiative” are no less fanciful).Rather, consumers are to be deceived by imagery. It has hardly surprising that the same dedication to deceit and similar techniques should prevail when they are assigned the task of selling candidates, so as to undermine democracy.

That’s hardly a secret. Corporations do not spend hundreds of billions of dollars in advertising every year to inform the public of the facts – say, listing the properties of next year’s cars, as would happen in an unimaginable market society based on rational choice by informed consumers. Observing that doctrine of the faith would be simple and cheap. But deceit is quite expensive: complex graphics showing the car with a sexy actress, or a sports hero, or climbing a sheer cliff, or some other device to project an image that might deceive the consumer into buying this car instead of the virtually identical one produced by a competitor. The same is true of elections, run by the same Public Relations industry.

The point of public relations slogans like “Support our troops” is that they don’t mean anything. They mean as much as whether you support the people in Iowa. Of course, there was an issue. The issue was, Do you support our policy? But you don’t want people to think about the issue. That’s the whole point of good propaganda. You want to create a slogan that nobody’s going to be against, and everybody’s going to be for, because nobody knows what it means, because it doesn’t mean anything, but its crucial value is that it diverts your attention…

That’s all very effective. It runs right up to today. And of course it is carefully thought out. The people in the public relations industry aren’t there for the fun of it. They’re doing work. They’re trying to instill the right values. In fact, they have a conception of what democracy ought to be: It ought to be a system in which the specialized class is trained to work in the service of the masters, the people who own the society. The rest of the population ought to be deprived of any form of organization, because organization just causes trouble. They ought to be sitting alone in front of the TV and having drilled into their heads the message, which says, the only value in life is to have more commodities or live like that rich middle class family you’re watching and to have nice values like harmony and Americanism. That’s all there is in life. You may think in your own head that there’s got to be something more in life than this, but since you’re watching the tube alone you assume, I must be crazy, because that’s all that’s going on over there…

So that’s the ideal. Great efforts are made in trying to achieve that ideal. Obviously, there is a certain conception behind it. The conception of democracy is the one that I mentioned. The bewildered herd is a problem. We’ve got to prevent their rage and trampling. We’ve got to distract them. They should be watching the Superbowl or sitcoms or violent movies. Every once in a while you call on them to chant meaningless slogans like “Support our troops.” You’ve got to keep them pretty scared, because unless they’re properly scared and frightened of all kinds of devils that are going to destroy them from outside or inside or somewhere, they may start to think, which is very dangerous, because they’re not competent to think. Therefore it’s important to distract them and marginalize them. [/i]

Thank you Shyster for the thought provoking citation from Noam Chomsky. It’s exactly this kind of problems I am aiming at: Do voters have a right to receive the kind of information that would enable them to make rational decisions or do they have to be satisfied with the kind of brainwashing that campaigners are pushing on them? It seems to me that philosophers of democracy have ignored this problem. Why is the right to seek information not receiving more attention? Why is this problem discussed by media critics and even by some economists, but not by philosophers of democracy?

Agner,

For all the reasons mentioned by Chomsky. The discussion is there, but it is buried under the media hype and the new improved reality TV show. Ours is a culture of 30 second sound bites. It isn’t that Americans aren’t capable of entering into rational discourse, they don’t want to, and the controllers make sure that this attitude is reinforced. In many ways, we are living Orwell’s “1984”

JT

Taken with the Chomsky quote I suddenly see why some have problems with Plato’s Utopia in The Republic.

Do people have the right to listen, or rather, should they have that right? In a Democracy, sure. In fact, since democracy implicitly assumes that the average man is capable of making the correct choice provided he has access to all the pertinent information, of course the best political decision is an informed one.

However, I am still not certain that it has been proven that any citizen X, possessing the best information possible, will will invariably make the best decision possible. Alas, that is a different discussion.

As to your question, in regards to political philosophers and the right to listen, I can only assume that it was understood that if a Democracy requires a free exchange of information to function properly, along with the freedom to speak there is an attached freedom to listen. Perhaps also, traditionally, it is the speaker whom authority will view as making the greater transgression when said speaker challenges the aforementioned authority. A listener, from this point of view, is not actively upsetting the status quo.

In Orwell’s 1984, however, you have an authority concerned with a degree of control that may be termed, absolute. In such a system, even a listener would punished for thought crimes. Oddly, you would probably see the same thing in Theocracies when dealing with heresies and heretics. What I am getting at is, perhaps (I say perhaps because now I am guessing :evilfun: ) philosophers of Democracy do not hold absolutist, totalitarian views, and therefore, such a totalitarian action as limiting one’s ability to listen is beyond their typical purview. In other words, limiting one’s ability to listen would be alien to them, as the edifice of democracy is built, largely, on the foundation of free speech. They accept the premise without any further qualifications.

and one wonders about the “liberal” american media…

totalitarian indeed…

-Imp