Does God deserve hell? Do his followers?

Given that god is as he is supposed to exist, and given the reality of life your logic is beyond reproach. Pity Theists don’t pay attention to reality.
However…
You are tilting at Windmills, as usual.

Men created the idea of “evil”, as part of a religious explication of how and why shit happens. It is not a force of nature. It’s just a label we pin on stuff we don’t like.

You are angry with yourself alone.

God is not listening. God is either dead or non existent.

You should try to decide if I am worthy of your chastisement or your praise. Your blend of both says that your position is not solid. Perhaps you are young. I will ignore until you land somewhere.

If you are not a seeker, why are you here friend?
I hope you do not think that just plain denial will save theists from their paths.

Regards
DL

You are not too smart. Or you might just be a child, I don’t know and do not care.
This is not a competition for prizes. It is not a war where you have to choose sides.
I meant to say exactly what I wanted to say. Read and understand.
I don’t know you, so why would I chastise you?

The world is full of suffering. You believe there is a God, and so he is the cause of the suffering. So far so good.

So what? You are only angry at your own logic, but have failed to consider why you hold on to your superstition about a supreme being.

All your posts take exactly the same line. You have not benefited from this. Why persist?

You should try to decide if I am worthy of your chastisement or your praise. Your blend of both says that your position is not solid. Perhaps you are young. I will ignore until you land somewhere.

If you are not a seeker, why are you here friend?
I hope you do not think that just plain denial will save theists from their paths.

Regards
DL
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You are not too smart. Or you might just be a child, I don’t know and do not care.
This is not a competition for prizes. It is not a war where you have to choose sides.
I meant to say exactly what I wanted to say. Read and understand.
I don’t know you, so why would I chastise you?

The world is full of suffering. You believe there is a God, and so he is the cause of the suffering. So far so good.

So what? You are only angry at your own logic, but have failed to consider why you hold on to your superstition about a supreme being.

All your posts take exactly the same line. You have not benefited from this. Why persist?
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Only a fool would not see all the beauty and happiness in the world and only see the hurt.

I do not believe in the God you think I believe in and from MPOV, all evil is from men and not some absentee God.

The God I know is quite natural so shove your superstition B. S. You obviously have reading problems as well as the way you wright.

Beast to ignore me as I do not suffer fools well.

P. S.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt.

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DL

 It's preposterous to hold the view that God created evil.  There are two realms, and we all know about fall, divine, when the archangel fell, and human when Adam was cast out of Paradise. God is of the Light, His absence is darkness.  He did not create darkness, when He is abandoned, who is of the light darkness results.  Darkness has no being, so it cannot have been created.

No because no matter how you look at it black is not white. Emotions trigger different physical chemicals in the body. Happy triggers one hormone, sad triggers another etc. Also a miserable person would deny or fight against happiness, accepting a way does not make it another. A fence is not a wall.

Rubbish.

Evil is not an absence.
God is omnipresent = therefore god is evil
God is omnipotent = therefore god does evil
God is omniscient = therefore god knows evil, and knows his acts are evil.
God is the creator and mover of the Universe - therefore god created, designed and does all evil.

If there are two realms then he created both.

“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” —God in Isaiah 45:7

Nice quote!!

this shit is boring

Biology engenders mythology. Our myths are interpretations of human adaptive experiences. If there is a god who is beyond these experiences, we can only know of him/her/it through the experiences. God would have to break through our sense of time to reach us. He would have to have the human experience to be fully aware of what humans think and do. He would have to become one of us for us to see him as personal. Good and evil are human constructs based on our experiences of adapting to environments. A God who intervenes in human affairs would have to experience good and evil. He would have to be us to fully know us.

Who is God’s co-creator then and whose name would you place above God’s as the most evil and why do you think does the bible name God as the creator of evil?

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DL

Well thought out.

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DL

That is why God’s name is I am.

You begin to know God when you can name him that and mean yourself. I see that as Jesus’ message.

youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesf … r_embedded

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DL

That is why God’s name is I am.

You begin to know God when you can name him that and mean yourself. I see that as Jesus’ message.

youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesf … r_embedded
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wasn’t the jesus message about how to treat your fellow humans…how about the sermon on the mount…

I think it was Boethius who noted that the intersection of the human and divine was like a vertical line —God to man crossing a horizontal line–man to man. The image of this is a cross. Jesus broke through time’s flat line with a vision of eternity.

Nobody deserves hell.

there were two jesus messages--------
#1----how to treat others
#2----the resurrection

the heaven thing is the most important jesus to most church people…

Who is more important to you. You or another?

youtube.com/watch?v=j4QXOgVf … r_embedded

I like the Gnostic Christian version of Jesus. I do not like the one invented by Rome.

The Roman one preaches love while holding hell as punishment for not doing so. Meanwhile the Gnostic Christian Jesus knows that to not share love has a built in punishment.

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DL

慲楴

The latter message depends on the former. Without 1., 2 is impossible. I realize most church goers have it backwards.