Does God manifest himself in reality?

Does God manifest himself in reality?

  • No
  • Yes
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Does God manifest himself in reality? And if he does, when/where/how does he do this? Are his manifestations in reality observable to any human being who is not handicapped to the point that they may lack some senses (such as a functioning brain or functioning sense of feel)? Would the most profound atheist observe God’s manifestations in reality?

No ofc not, else he would do away with all the fanatics, try to combat pollution, corruption, etc.

God is reality.

with love,
sanjay

Then why call reality “God”? Don’t you think that would confuse people? Why not call reality “reality” as most people do with most words?

Atheists believe reality exists. So if God is reality, then when atheists say they don’t hold a belief that God exists, do you take this to mean they don’t hold a belief that reality exists?

If what you’re saying is correct, then why do Christians describe their god such that it seems as if it doesn’t manifest itself in reality? It’s creating a situation in which people don’t believe something exists - when in reality they do believe it to exist. Except that this thing has been improperly described to them such that they think it doesn’t exist. Perhaps those who are positing a god should do a better job of describing what a god really is.

Reality may have all the attributes of God. Some people may be confused by it. I do call it reality. I don’t take all atheists to mean the same thing. God and reality mean different things to different atheists.

No if you saw God in all his magnificence your heart would implode and your body be rendered into atoms, if he so much uttered a word as himself in your presence manifest, you would be a pair of smoking boots. He sends angels, beings that don’t cause mortals to die with his presence. Gabriel, the voice of God a Metatron for example. Apparently Moses saw God upon the mountain in Exodus, he invited him to see him, not sure how that worked probably manifested partly so as not to blow the poor sod apart.

Faith by definition has no real point when some God turns up does magic no one else could ever do remotely and claims he is God does it. Ah no wait…

If God and reality are the same thing and atheists know this, then God and reality mean the same thing to these atheists. But if that’s the case, then technically, they wouldn’t be atheists, as they would hold a belief that reality (or God) exists. That’s why I think the real definition of atheist isn’t exactly one who doesn’t hold a belief that God exists, but one who doesn’t hold a belief that a supernatural deity exists.

If God and reality are the same thing and atheists know this, then God and reality mean the same thing to these atheists. But if that’s the case, then technically, they wouldn’t be atheists, as they would hold a belief that reality (or God) exists. That’s why I think the real definition of atheist isn’t exactly one who doesn’t hold a belief that God exists, but one who doesn’t hold a belief that a supernatural deity exists.
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If you want to know what an atheist thinks, ask one. Much like theists, they don’t all think the same. In fact no two seem to think exactly alike. I wouldn’t expect an atheist to think that god and reality are the same, but persons who think that God and reality are the same have sometimes been called atheists by others.

Felix, do you think reality has certain attributes that atheists don’t think it has? Is calling reality an “it” a theistic thing to do?

It sees to me if you have to ask the question, then the answer is most probably no.

Such as thing as described as “god” by most commentators ought to be pretty obvious.

If you want to know what an atheist thinks, ask one. Much like theists, they don’t all think the same. In fact no two seem to think exactly alike. I wouldn’t expect an atheist to think that god and reality are the same, but persons who think that God and reality are the same have sometimes been called atheists by others.
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It sort of begs the question; if god and reality are the same thing, why confuse the issue by calling reality god, when many people think of an old bearded man in the clouds?
Hey- guess what I believe in reality.
Well maybe not.
I know what people mean by it, and its not always the same thing.
But all I see is confusion when people conflate reality with god, or bananas, or square circles.

Atheists have been damned by god, to never know him. They are deficient in the ability to see god, understand god, and be saved by him.
Atheists wlll all burn in Hellfire.

I would have to discuss the issue with them on a case by case basis. They don’t all think the same. Neither do theists. In some camps I might be considered an atheist. God, I take to be a symbol for ultimate reality which is incomprehensible like death. Like death I have an intuition of God but I cannot comprehend it as it is. The Bible, like other primary religious texts, I take to be metaphor for expressing this mystery.

As Martin Buber showed, there are different ways to approach reality. Those who see reality to be sacred approach reality as thou. Those who don’t approach reality as it. Most people seem to be somewhere in between. They occupy a middle ground where things seem sacred some of the time or some things seem sacred some of the time. The absolute theist or atheist are at the extreme. They probably don’t actually exist unless it is in Plato’s realm of pure ideas. :wink: I don’t suppose you will find any of this too confusing.

Tsk tsk. Rather flaming there, no? Maybe literalists will be the only ones who get a literal hellfire in the great by and by. How would that suit you? Maybe they will be condemned to Westboro Baptist Church or a boring Richard Dawkins lecture for eternity. Given a choice I’m going to Dawkins. Anyway I have to confess ignorance about all that. :mrgreen: Sorry. Powerful imagery though…no doubt.

I said ‘yes’ because I believe God is reality.

It’s not flaming. I’m puzzled why you think so.

It’s self deprecating irony I think.

As for the contents: its all from the bible.

Indeed not.
But It or thou, or whatever, having to ask is powerful evidence of non-existence