A simple question, how many of you engage in, and/or are for recreational drug use?
The reason I bring this up is because i find there is this preconceived notion that ‘philosophers’ are all druggies with their heads in the clouds. Now we all have our heads in the clouds, so how many like to smoke the J, and why?
I’m just thinking of this now, but if a post like this has already been done before feel free to let me or a mod know cause I didn’t look through all the old posts…
I have tried different things but ultimately found it all to be boring. I like having real experiences. So if I use a drug makes me feel relaxed I later believe that that relaxation was not as real as if I preformed a relaxing activity.
Some people will spent all of their time smoking weed and end up with few experiences to reminisce about over the years. Personally, I find stimulation from learning new things, meeting people, going out, movies, music, doing creative things, and joking around. I believe that when you do these things straight they are more well done and more enjoyable.
Also, I have know several people that have been affected by drugs and they don’t even know it. Mostly this is an issue of memory loss and retardation of complex thinking. In one case this is seen in a very good friend of mine who used to have a whip-like wit. The problem is that as you get more dumb over the years you don’t know it. How can you remember what you forgot? Then things just slip away. Then you wake up at 40 with an average IQ if you were smart and a sub-average if you weren’t.
I think that the reason some creative people use drugs is actually to get rid of anxious thoughts that are bothering them. If you have in the back of your mind a voice that says “you can’t do it†then you won’t! Usually when intoxicated the mind does not produce this voice. However, you can confront your self and just take a shot at doing what you want to. Just say “fuck it†and then go forth.
Anyway, having a fresh unpolluted brain is worth quite a bit.
I love drugs. I smoke marijuana regularily and I will use narcotics if I get get them. I don’t like sedatives or “downers,” except for the mild sedation produced by a few pain killers that I have experimented with in the past. I hate alcohol, basically anything that numbs or slows my system I don’t like. I want fast, sharp and empowering drugs. I’d like to try PCP and crystal meth one day but I hear its next to impossible to get. I quit using LSD when I was a teenager, upon a “bad trip,” when my “friends” were fucking with me. That night I saw deep into the human psyche and I found some terrible revelations about the human being. Had another friend not drove me home, I might of killed somebody.
I have never felt diminished because of prolonged drug use. I have lost much of my memory, but memories are not important to me. I would assume that my intellectual abilities have been thwarted also, but I pay no attention to what the majority of the world calls “intelligence.” The fact that I can’t calculate the trajectory of a missle, or compute math problems in my head, or recite the opening passages of Plato’s Republic is of no significance to me. Philosophy, Language, Science, Logic, and any other formal study, I believe, is an inferior practice of neccesary knowledge and the aquisition of power. “Intelligence” is nothing more, nor will it ever be, the mental ability to reflect on novelty situations which are threatening and/or dangerous. Sitting around ILP shooting off a bunch of excess verbiage is not “intelligence.” It is a luxury of language afforded to those who are not struggling at the moment, that is, who have “spare time.” Put them into a pit of lions and you will see real intelligence take shape, or a philosopher burger…which ever fate would have it. It would look something like this:
(the lions approach the philosopher)…
“oh!..uh…uh…, the transdimensional extension of the cause and its anatomical properties, manifested in the psychic apparatus, have produced an insufficient and inadequate proliferation of descriptive methods by which I percieve the oncoming lions, therefore this is a figment of my imagination and…ahhhhhhhh!!!” [crunch]
I have been mocked most of my life for using drugs. My family, and many of my friends, do not respect me because of it. That is fine. They are no threat to me, and if they were, who was the “better” would become apparant rather quickly. So I don’t pay any attention to the opinions of others regarding what I do with myself. It is comical to watch another sober man fail at something I can do stoned, and then tell me I’m the one with the problem.
I love drugs because the world is not enough for me. When those little transmitters start’a firing I fall in love with the universe, for those brief seconds, and the rest of this pathetic world fades away.
In all honesty, I have experienced nothing more profound than a blast of crack cocaine. Plato, sex, lottery winnings, peace in Iraq, a cure for cancer…ha! Not even comparable.
I predict that you will end up a Zen Master.
I predict he’ll get a hold of crystal method and begin to develop “brain holes”.
but hey that’s not important to de’trop.
a good example of what your doing de’trop, your running your engine at redline spinning your tires and not going anywhere. Both in life and mentally.
Some drugs obviously can produce some beneficial effects. Pot is great for stimulating and relieving cancer and glacauma sufferers. (possibly others as well.) but being stoned is similiar to being drunk, i.e. you shouldn’t be performing complex tasks like driving that require your full attention.
well of course not, it’d make you look like an idiot that doesn’t give a shit.
#1) what you’d see is who has the best animalistic will to survive. That’s NOT intelligence.
#2) we don’t live in Rome.
I would hedge a bet that their “lack of respect” is more worry than lack of respect. Alot of people LIKE you that get involved in hardcore drugs die by the age of 35.
remember the redline analogy? if you constantly drove around redlining your car the engine’s not gonna last too long is it?
…speaking of engines, I just put an air-intake filter on my truck and got at least seven extra horses out of it!
I had to modify it a bit after I removed the stock intake system, but I ended up spending less than twenty-five dollars on the whole ordeal.
You see, most cars have restrictive air-flow which can hinder the cars performance drastically. The idea is to get air into the carbeurator(sp?) as quick as possible, and also cooler air if one can position the filter correctly. I routed my filter so that it sits directly above the fan, which scoops up cool air from underneath the truck rather than pulling hot air from the engine cavity.
No shit, I can feel the extra horse-power, and she gets better gas mileage too.
On a “daddy” kind of note, speed can do a number on the heart and kidneys, because it speeds them up.
Thanks, pop.
I’ll make a note of it.
Sure kid, don’t do anything that I wouldn’t do.
you have a truck with a carbeurator? Didn’t realize they were still putting those antiques on cars/trucks.
Well, that’s a different point entirely… manufacturers intentionally limit the power of a car. most cars with a different MAP and a more free flowing air system can gain 20 - 30% power/mileage. and your right the added benefit will be improved gas mileage as up to doing more serious power increasing mods, like upping the displacement or lighter camshafts, lighter flywheel, etc all seem detrimental to mileage. or maybe it’s cause your foot gets buried in the peddle more often?
ayways I realize driving fast is fun and redlining is great fun too, your car engine is replaceable, until democrats are put in office and cloning is legalized your body is not.
No kidding, I know a lot of former speed fans on kidney dialysis. It’s a long slow death.
Sorry, dude. I was mistaken. My truck has fuel injection, its my van that has a carbeurator.
Anyway, originally it didn’t make sense to me. Here is my reasoning.
Regardless of the air volume during the intake, the actual air capacity is the same, which is to say that the engine is calibrated to allow X amount of air into the system for combustion. Now I had thought that unless the cylinder was expanded, it would be useless to force more air into the engine. In other words, the engine takes in only enough air to allow for combustion and nothing more. Likewise, even if I added duel exhaust, allowing air to escape as fast as it was brought in, for example, the ratio of air-to-spark would still be the same. Would it not?
About the “live long and prosper” bit. Its life in the years, not years in the life, if you follow me.
No I meant with that medical condition life is not a party. A week with that might negate a year of fun.
basically in stock form modern cars are “starving” the cars of air flow. You have your stock air intake which is incredibly limiting, and on the exhaust side it’s even worse. You’ve got the cat converter in the way which slows you down and the muffler. The trick is, to not “over-rice” it and put a muffler/exhaust tip that reduces the backpressure too much which will lower your HP.
(those Honda civics you see with 4 - 5 inch pipes, there’s no way their 4 bangers can produce enough pressure to effectively use that area. if they turbo charge it it’s even worse, because turbos rely on the back pressure.)
Suicide is always an option.
One has to know when to die.
True!
Daddy----out!
Oh heavens no! I would never get a tip. If anything, I would shorten the length of the muffler piping so the exhaust could escape faster.
Now, are you talking about a “super-charger” or a true turbo? The super-charger will take ten to fifteen horses from the engine, but will give back thirty to fourty. The turbo, as I understand it, doesn’t “borrow” energy from the engine. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Your right about the catalytic converter, it is very restrictive. Problem is the truck wouldn’t pass inspection without it. I guess I could take it off and put it on when it came time to get an inspection? No, that’s too much trouble for a measley three or four horses.
Yeah, those obnoxious civics that all the teenagers drive make me sick. And God are they loud!
Check this out. My van, which is an 84 Vanagon Westfalia, Wolfsburg edition, has a transmission that is compatible with the Porsche 911 engine, the “flat-four.” One day I’m gonna put that sucker in my Van. Oh yeah!
Alright. What’s the fastest car you have ever owned? And don’t lie because you can get away with it on an internet forum. All members are welcome to comment.
Maybe we should start another thread?
maybe.
the fastest car i’ve ever owned is the one I currently own a Mazda 3s.
the second fastest car I’ve owned is a '88 nissan 200sx. for having a 100 hp that thing could FLY. Nissan, is a great engine builder and knows that it’s not only power that is important it’s how fast the engine can use that power, how fast it can LOSE that power (when shifting) and how well your transmission is geared to use that power.
the only other car I’ve owned is a '95 Toyota Paseo when i was trying to get better gas mileage but still have a “sporty” car. it was a decent compromise and had good gearing but because it also was made for mileage the flywheel kept the engine “slow”. It wasn’t as bad as some other cars I’ve driven for sure like saturns… god those things are awful.
For alot of drugs this is infact the case, although I wouldn’t put it in terms of IQ. You might not be able to drudge up some mundane information about some event or place, but you can still perform advanced functions, often ones you’ve aquired as a result of drug use. – I know a pair of twins who smoke crystal meth before b-ball games and they play amazing. I’m sure it takes a toll on their memory or whatnot, but they still play better and better with each crystal meth game.
But with that in mind, there has never been a conclusive test that has shown pot to -destroy- brain cells over long term. Short term memory is not -worse- it just altered, in some ways you can recall abstract information better, it’s just the information you’re consciously trying to remember you can’t.
I see life as heaven, like we only get one shot at it, so we might as well use our senses to the best of our abilities, because we won’t have them in the afterlife. That’s where the boring stuff happens, some place up the clowds where you walk around happy all the time (therefore with no concept of happiness) – I don’t buy it.
Some drugs truly are detrimental to health, but I mean… what’s the harm in trying them once?
Why the hell are you guys talking about cars?
The inherent problem in trying any drug once is that it can create a standard of pleasure which cannot be reached without the use of the drug. When any individual is not under the influence of the drug, they may not receive the same level of pleasure from activities that they use to find very enjoyable. I’ve never used any drug beyond marijuana so perhaps, I make that point too freely. If my premise is true though, it follows that even the single use of a harmful drug is bad as it will in the long run lower the pleasure vs. pain ratio of the individual.
I hope someone can tear this arguement apart as I’ve been wanting to try cocaine once but can’t get past this logic 
Chris