Edification and male/female exchanges at ILP.

[iambiguous]

Some men are just better than others at keeping their true motive hidden. Especially in regard to sex. Especially in this day and age where sex is everywhere. I don’t know all the details regarding how an exchange with Adam ended up with you contacting the mods here to report him, but that was clearly his motive back then. Obviously, right? So, what is his true motive now? Not to suggest you should be careful here would seem foolish to me.

@Maia

Men are not in the slightest bit adept at keeping that particular motive hidden, but it very much depends on how they go about it. They can be sensitive and respectful, or crass and obsessive.

True. But if you could see the ILP photograph we voted on back then as some men here no doubt do, I suspect that you’d suspect that these men will try harder than others to be “sensitive and respectful” if that’s what it takes to get you to, well, you know.

Now, that’s what appeals to me. The recognition that who you think you are “here and now” can, given new experiences and relationships, become both profoundly problematic and profoundly precarious. In regard to things like love and sex, “I”, in my view, is an “existential contraption” when interacting with others in a world of “contingency, chance and change”.

We simply understand the meaning of that differently. Though neither one of us more rationally than the other.

@Maia

Yes, I’ve always said that my opinions about anything are always subject to change. I don’t regard this as problematic or precarious, though. Rather, it’s one of the things that makes life so interesting.

Well, the problematic and precarious parts do mostly revolve around changes in your life that are particularly dramatic. Ater all, if not much changes from day to week to month to year in your life, it is less likely to bring about those parts. What I call the Song Be Syndrome. An experience which could hardly have been more problematic and precarious in regard to my own “sense of self”.

Yes, in the world as you have come to experience it…as someone who was blind from birth. In the world as most sighted men experience it however your avatar is what they see. And in some respects it is a truly provocative photograph. Only it is not really possible for me to explain to you why I believe it would bring out the stalkers among us. Even the philosophers among us. Why? Because it’s a “visual” thing. You are very, very attractive. The face. The body. But, in not being able to see that as I believe many men do, the communication will break down. There is simply no way for me to explain that in greater detail. Only to suggest again that, among sighted men, you should be especially cautious in regard to romantic relationships.

@Maia

Thank you for the compliment. I'd like you to try and explain why you think it's provocative, though. My brother said it was the cutest one of the bunch, but that's not the same as provocative. I was, however, under the impression that my face is hidden in it, deliberately. It's also, I should add, something like ten years old.

Still, when sighted men compliment you on your looks, what can that possibly mean to you? From your frame of mind, they should compliment you on the way you smell, the way you feel, the way your voice sounds.

Back again to that communication gap inherent in a world where some are sighted, some are born blind, some are sighted and then become blind. Especially in regard to love and sex. For sighted men, it’s what they see that seems to count the most.

As for my own subjective reaction to the photo as “provocative”, that can only be deeply rooted in my own personal self. It’s how “I” see it. And not much more than that.

I think the photograph is, well, erotic? The short skirt, the legs spread, the suggestive crouch, the way in which you seem to be winking at us through your fingers. You seem to be especially tall…statuesque even. Again, hard to put in words. And wholly subjective…“private”. But, sure, if I was not living in my cocoon world and was closer to your own age, I’d certainly be inclined to think about at least the possibility of a romantic relationship with you. But that would only be because all of the other ways I might be attracted to you. Your intelligence, emotional depth, accomplishments, sense of humor etc. Though, no doubt, this revolves in part around the sort of thing that Satyr always comes back to: the nature of the human libido. Especially in regard to men around women they find attractive.

Like that scene from When Harry Met Sally: youtu.be/i8kpYm-6nuE

Yes, your face is hidden, and maybe I am remembering this wrong, but in the other five photographs you provided for us to “vote” on, your face was there to be seen more clearly. Or not?

@Maia

Your words appear to imply that you think I'm some sort of guy magnet, but I assure you that this is not the case. Not everyone is into blind girls, you see. And it's patently obvious when this is the case, no matter how much they try and hide it.

It’s not about being into blind girls. It’s about being into girls/women they find attractive. The sex part. And your assumption about men’s reaction to you comes from a perspective that revolves around the fact that you can’t see how men do react to you.

But, again, sure, no doubt about it: what can I possibly know about you around men. It is what it is, given the distance between us.

And, as always, how do you know for sure why they treat you with respect once the reality of sex becomes a part of the exchange. Maybe not from your end, but from theirs. And respect that revolves around telling you what they think you want to hear because their motive has less to do with the discussion itself and more to do with their ulterior motive?

Yes, this can get really, really tricky, really, really fast. No doubt about that.

@Maia

Wanting sex does not necessarily imply disrespect. As long at it remains unspoken, that is.

Well, it was Supannika who taught me just how important physical intimacy is in a truly profound romantic relationship. Which just makes it all the harder for me to understand a six-year commitment to abstain from sex. Forget about the sex itself, it’s 6 years without the intimacy that can make human existence so much more endurable when things go bad. Romance in all of its many splendors.

Also, the fact that I live in my “cocoon world”, am old enough to be your father and was interested only in sustaining a “virtual friendship” with you. You are more than just “fairly safe” with me.

Also, however, In the virtual world, what people tell you they are may bear little resemblance to what they really are. You have no way of knowing if I really do live in America. Yes, in fact, I do reside in Baltimore, Maryland. But “online”, you have to be especially cautious.

@Maia

Your use of language makes it very clear that you're American. I have no reason to doubt any of the rest.

And I can assure you that you will never have any reason to doubt your safety in our own exchanges.

[Lorikeet (Satyr)]

My cringe-o-meter is going crazy…
Clicking madly.

I mean the underlying motives…the subtext…creepy.

True, my cring-tolerance is low…highly sensitive.
Disgust reflex is automatic.
I have no problem with blood but mucus does it for me.
Can’t stand looking at it.
Postmoderns mistake disgust for fear…'cause they’ve been trained to do so - convert an source of shame into a source of pride - make lemons into lemonade.
I don’t mind sour.
Uncooked, or poorly cooked, fat is what makes me gag. The texture feels like mucus, like snot.
Like uncooked or poorly cooked eggs.
As a child I recall, my mother used to drop me off at a relatives house - no daycares back then - so that she could go to work.
That lady was sweet, but she always undercooked her damn eggs and I had to eat one every damn day.
I dreaded it…every morning swallowing that watery egg, like swallowing snot.
Anywho…ge the same thing with certain human exchanges…cringy…makes my skin crawl. I have to turn away and not look, it makes me so uncomfortable - like visual snot.

[MagsJ (..a chic geek)]

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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWt6DW8I4Ao[/youtube]

[Maia]

+++True. But if you could see the ILP photograph we voted on back then as some men here no doubt do, I suspect that you’d suspect that these men will try harder than others to be “sensitive and respectful” if that’s what it takes to get you to, well, you know.+++

I don’t see much harm in something that encourages men to be sensitive and respectful. A cynic may say that it’s not genuine, but in practical terms, as far as the general good is concerned, does that matter?

+++Well, the problematic and precarious parts do mostly revolve around changes in your life that are particularly dramatic. Ater all, if not much changes from day to week to month to year in your life, it is less likely to bring about those parts. What I call the Song Be Syndrome. An experience which could hardly have been more problematic and precarious in regard to my own “sense of self”.+++

Traumatic experiences can certainly have that effect. I’ve known enough people, at school for example, who have experienced losing their sight. That’s one particular trauma that I’ll never have to experience.

+++Still, when sighted men compliment you on your looks, what can that possibly mean to you? From your frame of mind, they should compliment you on the way you smell, the way you feel, the way your voice sounds.+++

No, not at all. I don’t want sighted people to act like blind ones.

+++Back again to that communication gap inherent in a world where some are sighted, some are born blind, some are sighted and then become blind. Especially in regard to love and sex. For sighted men, it’s what they see that seems to count the most.+++

Seems to, may well be the correct way of putting it, if pheromones have the effect on everyone that I suspect they probably do. I’m conscious of them, but most people aren’t.

+++As for my own subjective reaction to the photo as “provocative”, that can only be deeply rooted in my own personal self. It’s how “I” see it. And not much more than that.

I think the photograph is, well, erotic? The short skirt, the legs spread, the way in which you seem to be winking at us through your fingers. You seem to be especially tall…statuesque even. Again, hard to put in words. And wholly subjective…“private”. But, sure, if I was not living in my cocoon world and was closer to your own age, I’d certainly be inclined to think about at least the possibility of a romantic relationship with you. But that would only be because all of the other ways I might be attracted to you. Your intelligence, emotional depth, accomplishments, sense of humor etc. Though, no doubt, this revolves in part around the sort of thing that Satyr always comes back to: the nature of the human libido. Especially in regard to men around women they find attractive.

Like that scene from When Harry Met Sally: youtu.be/i8kpYm-6nuE+++

Well, the skirt is part of the leisure centre uniform, as is the rest of what I’m wearing, since we did it just before I left for work. I was crouching down because the mirror was on the floor. As for winking, that was definitely not the case. And I’m 5’6" (168cm), by the way, but I’ll let you be the judge of whether you think that’s especially tall.

+++Yes, your face is hidden, and maybe I am remembering this wrong, but in the other five photographs you provided for us to “vote” on, your face was there to be seen more clearly. Or not?+++

At such a distance of time, I can’t really remember either, and I’m not even sure if I still have those other pics, or at any rate, where exactly I’ve saved them. What I do remember about that “photo shoot” with my brother is deliberately holding the camera in front of my face for at least some of the pics. It was also highly amusing, with him directing me to get into position, and so on.

+++It’s not about being into blind girls. It’s about being into girls/women they find attractive. The sex part. And your assumption about men’s reaction to you comes from a perspective that revolves around the fact that you can’t see how men do react to you.

But, again, sure, no doubt about it: what can I possibly know about you around men. It is what it is, given the distance between us.+++

I don’t have to assume though. I know very well that a lot of guys are put off by my blindness. Some people can hardly even bear to speak to me. I’m not complaining though, and it’s very much their loss and not mine. It was my choice to live my life among the sighted.

+++Well, it was Supannika who taught me just how important physical intimacy is in a truly profound romantic relationship. Which just makes it all the harder for me to understand a six-year commitment to abstain from sex. Forget about the sex itself, it’s 6 years without the intimacy that can make human existence so much more endurable when things go bad. Romance in all of its many splendors.+++

It’s because of the less than fulfilling nature of all my most recent romantic endeavours. I needed a break from all that emotional hassle.

+++And I can assure you that you will never have any reason to doubt your safety in our own exchanges.+++

Good!

[iambiguous]

True. But if you could see the ILP photograph we voted on back then as some men here no doubt do, I suspect that you’d suspect that these men will try harder than others to be “sensitive and respectful” if that’s what it takes to get you to, well, you know.

@Maia

I don’t see much harm in something that encourages men to be sensitive and respectful. A cynic may say that it’s not genuine, but in practical terms, as far as the general good is concerned, does that matter?

Okay, but I still see the need to remind women that there are men out there who can [and will] readily fake sensitivity and respect if they think that’s what will get them into a woman’s arms…or a woman’s bed.

Well, the problematic and precarious parts do mostly revolve around changes in your life that are particularly dramatic. Ater all, if not much changes from day to week to month to year in your life, it is less likely to bring about those parts. What I call the Song Be Syndrome. An experience which could hardly have been more problematic and precarious in regard to my own “sense of self”

@Maia

Traumatic experiences can certainly have that effect. I’ve known enough people, at school for example, who have experienced losing their sight. That’s one particular trauma that I’ll never have to experience.

Yes, but my point revolves more around this: there’s you and world around you before the dramatic/traumatic event, and then you and the world around you after it.

Now, for those convinced that they are in sync with the Real Me in sync further with The Right Thing To Do – the objectivists like Adam – no event can ever be too dramatic or traumatic. My arguments regarding dasein here are simply dismissed…scoffed at.

On the other hand, have they ever actually experienced a really dramatic/traumatic juncture in their life? Have they ever actually lived through something analogous to the Song Be Syndrome or going blind?

Still, when sighted men compliment you on your looks, what can that possibly mean to you? From your frame of mind, they should compliment you on the way you smell, the way you feel, the way your voice sounds.

@Maia

No, not at all. I don’t want sighted people to act like blind ones.

Well, complimenting someone is what often happens in romantic relationships. For both sighted and blind people. Wouldn’t you want to be thought of has possessing qualities that others find desirable in you?

Back again to that communication gap inherent in a world where some are sighted, some are born blind, some are sighted and then become blind. Especially in regard to love and sex. For sighted men, it’s what they see that seems to count the most.

@Maia

Seems to, may well be the correct way of putting it, if pheromones have the effect on everyone that I suspect they probably do. I’m conscious of them, but most people aren’t.

Okay, but here at ILP, men don’t have access to your pheromones. But they do see that photograph. And if there is a potential stalker here among us, that’s what is going to set them in motion. But, since it’s a visual thing, it’s hard for me to convey to you my own reaction to that.

By the way, I just italicized the word that…to emphasis it. Or I might use all capital letters or the bold or “underline” function. Or an emoji. Or “parenthesis”.

Is that something you are able to discern using the technology you have? Just curious.

As for my own subjective reaction to the photo as “provocative”, that can only be deeply rooted in my own personal self. It’s how “I” see it. And not much more than that.

I think the photograph is, well, erotic? The short skirt, the legs spread, the way in which you seem to be winking at us through your fingers. You seem to be especially tall…statuesque even. Again, hard to put in words. And wholly subjective…“private”. But, sure, if I was not living in my cocoon world and was closer to your own age, I’d certainly be inclined to think about at least the possibility of a romantic relationship with you. But that would only be because all of the other ways I might be attracted to you. Your intelligence, emotional depth, accomplishments, sense of humor etc. Though, no doubt, this revolves in part around the sort of thing that Satyr always comes back to: the nature of the human libido. Especially in regard to men around women they find attractive.

Like that scene from When Harry Met Sally: youtu.be/i8kpYm-6nuE

@Maia

Well, the skirt is part of the leisure centre uniform, as is the rest of what I’m wearing, since we did it just before I left for work. I was crouching down because the mirror was on the floor. As for winking, that was definitely not the case. And I’m 5’6" (168cm), by the way, but I’ll let you be the judge of whether you think that’s especially tall.

Yes, I understand that. I wasn’t trying to suggest that you meant for the photograph to be erotic or provocative. Only that I found it to be erotic and provocative. And that other sighted men might in turn. Men who then become fixated on a pretty woman with a voluptuous body and go down what can become a very dark road for some women.

After all, it’s not for nothing that every time you turn around these days there’s another news account of one or another “famous politician” or “celebrity” charged with some sort of sexual offense against women.

My whole point was just to remind you to “be careful”. Again, especially with men online.

Yes, your face is hidden, and maybe I am remembering this wrong, but in the other five photographs you provided for us to “vote” on, your face was there to be seen more clearly. Or not?

@Maia

At such a distance of time, I can’t really remember either, and I’m not even sure if I still have those other pics, or at any rate, where exactly I’ve saved them. What I do remember about that “photo shoot” with my brother is deliberately holding the camera in front of my face for at least some of the pics. It was also highly amusing, with him directing me to get into position, and so on.

Yep, that’s how it works. There’s you and your brother at your end creating the photo given your own intentions; and then those of us at our end reacting to the photo, each, in turn, in our own way.

It’s not about being into blind girls. It’s about being into girls/women they find attractive. The sex part. And your assumption about men’s reaction to you comes from a perspective that revolves around the fact that you can’t see how men do react to you.

But, again, sure, no doubt about it: what can I possibly know about you around men. It is what it is, given the distance between us.

@Maia

I don’t have to assume though. I know very well that a lot of guys are put off by my blindness. Some people can hardly even bear to speak to me. I’m not complaining though, and it’s very much their loss and not mine. It was my choice to live my life among the sighted.

Well, that’s a frame of mind I simply cannot understand. It simply would not matter to me if someone was blind or deaf…or blind and deaf. As I noted above, I react to people based on their “intelligence, emotional depth, accomplishments, sense of humor etc.”

That and the extent to which they shared my same interests…philosophy, music and film in particular.

Well, it was Supannika who taught me just how important physical intimacy is in a truly profound romantic relationship. Which just makes it all the harder for me to understand a six-year commitment to abstain from sex. Forget about the sex itself, it’s 6 years without the intimacy that can make human existence so much more endurable when things go bad. Romance in all of its many splendors.

@Maia

It’s because of the less than fulfilling nature of all my most recent romantic endeavours. I needed a break from all that emotional hassle.

Still, I can only hope that if you do meet someone really, really special over there, that you don’t pass up the opportunity to embrace that intimacy…sexually and otherwise. Six years just seems [to me] way too long to go without it. You know, if that’s still an option in your life.

And I can assure you that you will never have any reason to doubt your safety in our own exchanges.

@Maia

Good!

Well, at least we can always be on the same page there.

[Ichthus77 (Ichthus77 (formerly She™))]

Do you like caramel apples?

youtu.be/YDlblxuet94

sigh Love is in the air. Plug your nose.

Jk. Carry on, carry on.

[iambiguous]

@Ichthus77

Do you like caramel apples?

youtu.be/YDlblxuet94

sigh Love is in the air. Plug your nose.

Jk. Carry on, carry on.

Let me guess: wrong thread?

[Ichthus77 (Ichthus77 (formerly She™))]

I was just skimming through the replies to this thread and felt my reply was totally appropriate and hilarious. I have a weird sense of humor.

[iambiguous]

@Ichthus77

I was just skimming through the replies to this thread and felt my reply was totally appropriate and hilarious. I have a weird sense of humor.

Fair enough.

Totally appropriate from your point of view. Sure. After all, as with God and Nature, dasein works in mysterious ways.

But, just out of curiosity, what exactly makes it hilarious?

[Ichthus77 (Ichthus77 (formerly She™))]

I tried to answer this but then safari crashed. Oh well.

[Maia]

+++Okay, but I still see the need to remind women that there are men out there who can [and will] readily fake sensitivity and respect if they think that’s what will get them into a woman’s arms…or a woman’s bed.+++

We know that already. And nor is it easy to fake convincingly.

+++Yes, but my point revolves more around this: there’s you and world around you before the dramatic/traumatic event, and then you and the world around you after it.

Now, for those convinced that they are in sync with the Real Me in sync further with The Right Thing To Do – the objectivists like Adam – no event can ever be too dramatic or traumatic. My arguments regarding dasein here are simply dismissed…scoffed at.

On the other hand, have they ever actually experienced a really dramatic/traumatic juncture in their life? Have they ever actually lived through something analogous to the Song Be Syndrome or going blind?+++

I can’t speak for them, but for myself, I’ve been very lucky in life, and can’t therefore really relate to what it’s like to experience something like that.

+++Well, complimenting someone is what often happens in romantic relationships. For both sighted and blind people. Wouldn’t you want to be thought of has possessing qualities that others find desirable in you?+++

Absolutely. I care about my appearance, for example.

+++Okay, but here at ILP, men don’t have access to your pheromones. But they do see that photograph. And if there is a potential stalker here among us, that’s what is going to set them in motion. But, since it’s a visual thing, it’s hard for me to convey to you my own reaction to that.

By the way, I just italicized the word that…to emphasis it. Or I might use all capital letters or the bold or “underline” function. Or an emoji. Or “parenthesis”.

Is that something you are able to discern using the technology you have? Just curious.+++

My reader doesn’t recognise when text is italicised, bolded or underlined, but recognises parentheses, and capitals if I switch to spelling mode, so that it reads out every individual letter, rather than words. It recognises some emojis, but I wouldn’t count on it doing so in every case. If I want to emphasise something, I might asterisk it like this, but will usually try and rely on syntax for such things.

+++Yes, I understand that. I wasn’t trying to suggest that you meant for the photograph to be erotic or provocative. Only that I found it to be erotic and provocative. And that other sighted men might in turn. Men who then become fixated on a pretty woman with a voluptuous body and go down what can become a very dark road for some women.+++

I intended it to be amusing, in a cute sort of way.

+++After all, it’s not for nothing that every time you turn around these days there’s another news account of one or another “famous politician” or “celebrity” charged with some sort of sexual offense against women.

My whole point was just to remind you to “be careful”. Again, especially with men online.+++

I always am.

+++Yep, that’s how it works. There’s you and your brother at your end creating the photo given your own intentions; and then those of us at our end reacting to the photo, each, in turn, in our own way.+++

It was just a bit of fun really, and we didn’t give it a massive amount of thought.

+++Well, that’s a frame of mind I simply cannot understand. It simply would not matter to me if someone was blind or deaf…or blind and deaf. As I noted above, I react to people based on their “intelligence, emotional depth, accomplishments, sense of humor etc.”

That and the extent to which they shared my same interests…philosophy, music and film in particular.+++

Since I wouldn’t want a blind partner, I’m guilty of it myself. I think I’ve mentioned before how I don’t like the incestuous and often quite closed-minded nature of the blind community, and prefer to distance myself from it as much as possible. Still, who knows who I might fall in love with, and in that case, nothing else would matter.

+++Still, I can only hope that if you do meet someone really, really special over there, that you don’t pass up the opportunity to embrace that intimacy…sexually and otherwise. Six years just seems [to me] way too long to go without it. You know, if that’s still an option in your life.+++

Actually it’s seven years, but that’s always subject to change, if I meet the right person. I’m not going on any casual dates, though.

[Ichthus77 (Ichthus77 (formerly She™))]

Gross. There should be a drug that kills libido for folks who enjoy celibacy, convos w/o hidden motives, and bringing sexual predators to justice.

[Berkley_Babes]

@Maia

+++Okay, but I still see the need to remind women that there are men out there who can [and will] readily fake sensitivity and respect if they think that’s what will get them into a woman’s arms…or a woman’s bed.+++

We know that already. And nor is it easy to fake convincingly.

+++Yes, but my point revolves more around this: there’s you and world around you before the dramatic/traumatic event, and then you and the world around you after it.

Now, for those convinced that they are in sync with the Real Me in sync further with The Right Thing To Do – the objectivists like Adam – no event can ever be too dramatic or traumatic. My arguments regarding dasein here are simply dismissed…scoffed at.

On the other hand, have they ever actually experienced a really dramatic/traumatic juncture in their life? Have they ever actually lived through something analogous to the Song Be Syndrome or going blind?+++

I can’t speak for them, but for myself, I’ve been very lucky in life, and can’t therefore really relate to what it’s like to experience something like that.

+++Well, complimenting someone is what often happens in romantic relationships. For both sighted and blind people. Wouldn’t you want to be thought of has possessing qualities that others find desirable in you?+++

Absolutely. I care about my appearance, for example.

+++Okay, but here at ILP, men don’t have access to your pheromones. But they do see that photograph. And if there is a potential stalker here among us, that’s what is going to set them in motion. But, since it’s a visual thing, it’s hard for me to convey to you my own reaction to that.

By the way, I just italicized the word that…to emphasis it. Or I might use all capital letters or the bold or “underline” function. Or an emoji. Or “parenthesis”.

Is that something you are able to discern using the technology you have? Just curious.+++

My reader doesn’t recognise when text is italicised, bolded or underlined, but recognises parentheses, and capitals if I switch to spelling mode, so that it reads out every individual letter, rather than words. It recognises some emojis, but I wouldn’t count on it doing so in every case. If I want to emphasise something, I might asterisk it like this, but will usually try and rely on syntax for such things.

+++Yes, I understand that. I wasn’t trying to suggest that you meant for the photograph to be erotic or provocative. Only that I found it to be erotic and provocative. And that other sighted men might in turn. Men who then become fixated on a pretty woman with a voluptuous body and go down what can become a very dark road for some women.+++

I intended it to be amusing, in a cute sort of way.

+++After all, it’s not for nothing that every time you turn around these days there’s another news account of one or another “famous politician” or “celebrity” charged with some sort of sexual offense against women.

My whole point was just to remind you to “be careful”. Again, especially with men online.+++

I always am.

+++Yep, that’s how it works. There’s you and your brother at your end creating the photo given your own intentions; and then those of us at our end reacting to the photo, each, in turn, in our own way.+++

It was just a bit of fun really, and we didn’t give it a massive amount of thought.

+++Well, that’s a frame of mind I simply cannot understand. It simply would not matter to me if someone was blind or deaf…or blind and deaf. As I noted above, I react to people based on their “intelligence, emotional depth, accomplishments, sense of humor etc.”

That and the extent to which they shared my same interests…philosophy, music and film in particular.+++

Since I wouldn’t want a blind partner, I’m guilty of it myself. I think I’ve mentioned before how I don’t like the incestuous and often quite closed-minded nature of the blind community, and prefer to distance myself from it as much as possible. Still, who knows who I might fall in love with, and in that case, nothing else would matter.

+++Still, I can only hope that if you do meet someone really, really special over there, that you don’t pass up the opportunity to embrace that intimacy…sexually and otherwise. Six years just seems [to me] way too long to go without it. You know, if that’s still an option in your life.+++

Actually it’s seven years, but that’s always subject to change, if I meet the right person. I’m not going on any casual dates, though.

As someone who has “displayed” sensitivity towards you to some degree, I wonder if you like the attention you get on ILP. I am curious, because very few other females put a photo of themselves in their profile.

[Lorikeet (Satyr)]

It worked, didn’t it?

Cause…effect.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQn9L-wkq_c[/youtube]

[Berkley_Babes]

I have to imagine that females are mostly here because they are attracted to the male intellect. Not to say that anything happens from that attraction, just that it’s not talk of sports.

Anyway, how about them Lakers?

[Maia]

@Berkley Babes

@Maia

+++Okay, but I still see the need to remind women that there are men out there who can [and will] readily fake sensitivity and respect if they think that’s what will get them into a woman’s arms…or a woman’s bed.+++

We know that already. And nor is it easy to fake convincingly.

+++Yes, but my point revolves more around this: there’s you and world around you before the dramatic/traumatic event, and then you and the world around you after it.

Now, for those convinced that they are in sync with the Real Me in sync further with The Right Thing To Do – the objectivists like Adam – no event can ever be too dramatic or traumatic. My arguments regarding dasein here are simply dismissed…scoffed at.

On the other hand, have they ever actually experienced a really dramatic/traumatic juncture in their life? Have they ever actually lived through something analogous to the Song Be Syndrome or going blind?+++

I can’t speak for them, but for myself, I’ve been very lucky in life, and can’t therefore really relate to what it’s like to experience something like that.

+++Well, complimenting someone is what often happens in romantic relationships. For both sighted and blind people. Wouldn’t you want to be thought of has possessing qualities that others find desirable in you?+++

Absolutely. I care about my appearance, for example.

+++Okay, but here at ILP, men don’t have access to your pheromones. But they do see that photograph. And if there is a potential stalker here among us, that’s what is going to set them in motion. But, since it’s a visual thing, it’s hard for me to convey to you my own reaction to that.

By the way, I just italicized the word that…to emphasis it. Or I might use all capital letters or the bold or “underline” function. Or an emoji. Or “parenthesis”.

Is that something you are able to discern using the technology you have? Just curious.+++

My reader doesn’t recognise when text is italicised, bolded or underlined, but recognises parentheses, and capitals if I switch to spelling mode, so that it reads out every individual letter, rather than words. It recognises some emojis, but I wouldn’t count on it doing so in every case. If I want to emphasise something, I might asterisk it like this, but will usually try and rely on syntax for such things.

+++Yes, I understand that. I wasn’t trying to suggest that you meant for the photograph to be erotic or provocative. Only that I found it to be erotic and provocative. And that other sighted men might in turn. Men who then become fixated on a pretty woman with a voluptuous body and go down what can become a very dark road for some women.+++

I intended it to be amusing, in a cute sort of way.

+++After all, it’s not for nothing that every time you turn around these days there’s another news account of one or another “famous politician” or “celebrity” charged with some sort of sexual offense against women.

My whole point was just to remind you to “be careful”. Again, especially with men online.+++

I always am.

+++Yep, that’s how it works. There’s you and your brother at your end creating the photo given your own intentions; and then those of us at our end reacting to the photo, each, in turn, in our own way.+++

It was just a bit of fun really, and we didn’t give it a massive amount of thought.

+++Well, that’s a frame of mind I simply cannot understand. It simply would not matter to me if someone was blind or deaf…or blind and deaf. As I noted above, I react to people based on their “intelligence, emotional depth, accomplishments, sense of humor etc.”

That and the extent to which they shared my same interests…philosophy, music and film in particular.+++

Since I wouldn’t want a blind partner, I’m guilty of it myself. I think I’ve mentioned before how I don’t like the incestuous and often quite closed-minded nature of the blind community, and prefer to distance myself from it as much as possible. Still, who knows who I might fall in love with, and in that case, nothing else would matter.

+++Still, I can only hope that if you do meet someone really, really special over there, that you don’t pass up the opportunity to embrace that intimacy…sexually and otherwise. Six years just seems [to me] way too long to go without it. You know, if that’s still an option in your life.+++

Actually it’s seven years, but that’s always subject to change, if I meet the right person. I’m not going on any casual dates, though.

As someone who has “displayed” sensitivity towards you to some degree, I wonder if you like the attention you get on ILP. I am curious, because very few other females put a photo of themselves in their profile.

I like it when I get intelligent conversation about subjects I’m interested in. As for my profile pic, I had originally assumed that everyone had a photo of themselves.

[Berkley_Babes]

@Maia

@Berkley Babes

@Maia

+++Okay, but I still see the need to remind women that there are men out there who can [and will] readily fake sensitivity and respect if they think that’s what will get them into a woman’s arms…or a woman’s bed.+++

We know that already. And nor is it easy to fake convincingly.

+++Yes, but my point revolves more around this: there’s you and world around you before the dramatic/traumatic event, and then you and the world around you after it.

Now, for those convinced that they are in sync with the Real Me in sync further with The Right Thing To Do – the objectivists like Adam – no event can ever be too dramatic or traumatic. My arguments regarding dasein here are simply dismissed…scoffed at.

On the other hand, have they ever actually experienced a really dramatic/traumatic juncture in their life? Have they ever actually lived through something analogous to the Song Be Syndrome or going blind?+++

I can’t speak for them, but for myself, I’ve been very lucky in life, and can’t therefore really relate to what it’s like to experience something like that.

+++Well, complimenting someone is what often happens in romantic relationships. For both sighted and blind people. Wouldn’t you want to be thought of has possessing qualities that others find desirable in you?+++

Absolutely. I care about my appearance, for example.

+++Okay, but here at ILP, men don’t have access to your pheromones. But they do see that photograph. And if there is a potential stalker here among us, that’s what is going to set them in motion. But, since it’s a visual thing, it’s hard for me to convey to you my own reaction to that.

By the way, I just italicized the word that…to emphasis it. Or I might use all capital letters or the bold or “underline” function. Or an emoji. Or “parenthesis”.

Is that something you are able to discern using the technology you have? Just curious.+++

My reader doesn’t recognise when text is italicised, bolded or underlined, but recognises parentheses, and capitals if I switch to spelling mode, so that it reads out every individual letter, rather than words. It recognises some emojis, but I wouldn’t count on it doing so in every case. If I want to emphasise something, I might asterisk it like this, but will usually try and rely on syntax for such things.

+++Yes, I understand that. I wasn’t trying to suggest that you meant for the photograph to be erotic or provocative. Only that I found it to be erotic and provocative. And that other sighted men might in turn. Men who then become fixated on a pretty woman with a voluptuous body and go down what can become a very dark road for some women.+++

I intended it to be amusing, in a cute sort of way.

+++After all, it’s not for nothing that every time you turn around these days there’s another news account of one or another “famous politician” or “celebrity” charged with some sort of sexual offense against women.

My whole point was just to remind you to “be careful”. Again, especially with men online.+++

I always am.

+++Yep, that’s how it works. There’s you and your brother at your end creating the photo given your own intentions; and then those of us at our end reacting to the photo, each, in turn, in our own way.+++

It was just a bit of fun really, and we didn’t give it a massive amount of thought.

+++Well, that’s a frame of mind I simply cannot understand. It simply would not matter to me if someone was blind or deaf…or blind and deaf. As I noted above, I react to people based on their “intelligence, emotional depth, accomplishments, sense of humor etc.”

That and the extent to which they shared my same interests…philosophy, music and film in particular.+++

Since I wouldn’t want a blind partner, I’m guilty of it myself. I think I’ve mentioned before how I don’t like the incestuous and often quite closed-minded nature of the blind community, and prefer to distance myself from it as much as possible. Still, who knows who I might fall in love with, and in that case, nothing else would matter.

+++Still, I can only hope that if you do meet someone really, really special over there, that you don’t pass up the opportunity to embrace that intimacy…sexually and otherwise. Six years just seems [to me] way too long to go without it. You know, if that’s still an option in your life.+++

Actually it’s seven years, but that’s always subject to change, if I meet the right person. I’m not going on any casual dates, though.

As someone who has “displayed” sensitivity towards you to some degree, I wonder if you like the attention you get on ILP. I am curious, because very few other females put a photo of themselves in their profile.

I like it when I get intelligent conversation about subjects I’m interested in. As for my profile pic, I had originally assumed that everyone had a photo of themselves.

That’s fair enough.
A lot of people don’t have photos of anything. I had a picture of an exclamation point, at one point. Now I am blank pictured. I look like too much of a stud to post a photo of myself. That would be one of those internet lies you are wary of. Anyway, I don’t suspect you of any motives other than being interested in stuff, nor do I picture a May wedding with an online forum member.

[Ichthus77 (Ichthus77 (formerly She™))]

@Berkley Babes

I have to imagine that females are mostly here because they are attracted to the male intellect. Not to say that anything happens from that attraction, just that it’s not talk of sports.

Anyway, how about them Lakers?

Why are males here? Why can’t that be why females are here? I wonder what the ratio is.

Maybe both “like” “intellect”… Why sexualize it?

[Lorikeet (Satyr)]

@Ichthus77

Why are males here? Why can’t that be why females are here? I wonder what the ratio is.

Maybe both “like” “intellect”… Why sexualize it?

That this is asked in a serious way…proves how far down the rabbit hole we’ve sunk.

[Berkley_Babes]

@Ichthus77

@Berkley Babes

I have to imagine that females are mostly here because they are attracted to the male intellect. Not to say that anything happens from that attraction, just that it’s not talk of sports.

Anyway, how about them Lakers?

Why are males here? Why can’t that be why females are here? I wonder what the ratio is.

Maybe both “like” “intellect”… Why sexualize it?

Because I’m a male and I sexualize just about everything. Yes, females “appreciate” intellect, equally. There I said it. :-"

Edit: I suspect most males are here too “demonstrate” intellect to other males, for superiority reasons.