Emotions don't think

[Duality]

@uglypeoplefucking

@Duality

Right, but why is this experienced in the first place? Look beyond the veneer of appearance

whatever is imperceptible is irrelevant, we can argue over what it is that we perceive or intuit or infer but we cannot argue over the unknowable because we don’t know anything about it.

Irrelevant solely to the feeble-minded. If all we had was desire, reason would never be utilized.

@uglypeoplefucking

@Duality

Which desires? If all we desired was food, comfort, sex and/or immediate happiness, why not just all live in jungles, walk around naked everyday and do what we want without having to work towards anything?

we would do that, if that’s what we wanted to do - but for most of us, it isn’t - what we want we have to work for - and btw if you think surviving in the jungle isn’t work then you’ve obviously never tried it.

So now you’re saying we desire more than physical satisfaction. Which would negate your belief that all humans desire is self-serving, material gain

@uglypeoplefucking

btw if you think surviving in the jungle isn’t work then you’ve obviously never tried it.

And you have?

[uglypeoplefucking]

@Duality

Irrelevant solely to the feeble-minded.

oh christ, not this again

@Duality

If all we had was desire, reason would never be utilized.

i don’t see how that follows

@Duality

So now you’re saying we desire more than physical satisfaction.

i never said all we desired was physical satisfaction - at least not as you’re likely to be defining it

Which would negate your belief that all humans desire is self-serving, material gain

that’s a strawman. i have no such belief

And you have?

no but i’ve heard firsthand reports and seen Crocodile Hunter - seriously, you think it’s some kind of easy, idyllic existence to live as a primitive in a jungle?

[north]

@PlatoSaysGod

Action filtered through perception equals feelings.

Sanity is a question of your perception of reality.

Why???

Quite simply… we are spirits primarily, but we live in physical bodies. Metaphysical realities is that depression is the lack of hopeful stimulation, as much as possiable as an underdeveoped seratonine gland.

Why???

Why is it that people born with the alcaholism gene have the same problems as those who build a tolerance to alcahol. Adaptation. Adapting to problematic things like self defeating patterens.

How???

Rage releases adrenaline witch releases endorphins. But is beating your wife into submission hidding from the problem or a healthy way to grow past the problem. In this, the patteren is that anger doesn’t solve anything, accept to let people know they have crossed the line, and to have enough compassion to stop. But an unreasonable and angery person is ignorring the problem while feeding the anger until it grows into death.

Why???

“An individual’s values typically are largely, but not entirely, in agreement with their culture’s values.”

The “status qoe” is a hyper extended value of society. IE being raised on pop culture is creating a void in lives. Thus the problems that are parrellel the status quo are more accepted. (not holding a relationship down.)

Callousness

renewal of the soul

acknoldeging God in all of your faults

God is shown strong in our weekness

except in his rage , god

remember adam and eve and the consequence thereof

now we pay the price assuming the bible is true

lets get real here , god is also callous , where is the discussion between eve and god ? there isn’t

any reasonable being discusses problems and mistakes made , not dictates

[Duality]

@uglypeoplefucking

@Duality

Irrelevant solely to the feeble-minded.

oh christ, not this again

Why not. As they say, if you shit where you eat… you’d better enjoy sloppy seconds

@uglypeoplefucking

@Duality

If all we had was desire, reason would never be utilized.

i don’t see how that follows

Because desire is impulsive. At least the way you define it when stating:

@uglypeoplefucking

You can also have the telic desire of taking a reasonable course of action - say you realize that even though you are in a hurry it is unreasonable to run all the red lights because you’re likely to get in an accident - that would be reasoning oneself out of an unwise course of action - but it is all still subsumed in the desire to avoid accidents and injuries - reason is the tool of that desire.

@uglypeoplefucking

@Duality

So now you’re saying we desire more than physical satisfaction.

i never said all we desired was physical satisfaction - at least not as you’re likely to be defining it

Sounds like you did when you stated reason is a tool of personal desires.

@uglypeoplefucking

Which would negate your belief that all humans desire is self-serving, material gain

that’s a strawman. i have no such belief

Really? because thats what it sounds like in this statement:

@uglypeoplefucking

No you don’t - not at the time of the act itself - but you do need to be emotionally invested in some sort of moral platform - a Christian may thwart his immediate desire by reasoning that it would be wrong to have promiscuous sex, while satisfying his telic (and emotionally invested in) desire to be a good Christian.

@uglypeoplefucking

no but i’ve heard firsthand reports and seen Crocodile Hunter - seriously, you think it’s some kind of easy, idyllic existence to live as a primitive in a jungle?

As opposed to the American Gardens Building on West 81st street? … affirmative

[uglypeoplefucking]

@Duality

Why not. As they say, if you shit where you eat… you’d better enjoy sloppy seconds

well,at least you admit this stuff about feeble-mindedness is sloppy seconds

Because desire is impulsive. At least the way you define it when stating:

quote=“uglypeoplefucking” You can also have the telic desire of taking a reasonable course of action - say you realize that even though you are in a hurry it is unreasonable to run all the red lights because you’re likely to get in an accident - that would be reasoning oneself out of an unwise course of action - but it is all still subsumed in the desire to avoid accidents and injuries - reason is the tool of that desire.

desire is not solely impulsive - it’s usually born of instinct, sure - like the desire for survival - but that doesn’t mean it’s purely: see-want-grab - tho it may start out that way as newborns, until we learn through experience that there are steps to take (and as you point out, work to be done) in order to sucessfully acheive most of the things we want. We have to effectively navigate our way through endless contingencies in order to attain goals- this is how we develop our reasoning skills - eventually we get to the point where we learn to hierarchize (is that a word?) our desires so that our more impulsive desires (i want that cupcake) are subordinate to our more telic desires (i want to lose weight so i can find a mate) - and reasoning is intregral to the process, but the process itself remains subordinate to the greater desires which serve as our broadest telic ends (finding a mate, being happy, whatever)

@Duality

uglypeoplefucking wrote:
i never said all we desired was physical satisfaction - at least not as you’re likely to be defining it
Sounds like you did when you stated reason is a tool of personal desires.

i don’t think desire is strictly personal or physical (again, at least not in the ways you are likely to be defining them) one can, as i have said, have reasoned desires - one can have empathic and altruistic desires - one can share likeminded desires with large groups, and lesser desires can be subordinated to all of the above, using, among other things, reason - but all of the above are stll desires, and without them, there would be no call for the use of reason in the first place. Reason remains a tool of desire - but a tool of ALL types of desire, not just basic corporeal or greed-based desires.

@Duality

uglypeoplefucking wrote:
Which would negate your belief that all humans desire is self-serving, material gain
that’s a strawman. i have no such belief
Really? because thats what it sounds like in this statement:

uglypeoplefucking wrote:
No you don’t - not at the time of the act itself - but you do need to be emotionally invested in some sort of moral platform - a Christian may thwart his immediate desire by reasoning that it would be wrong to have promiscuous sex, while satisfying his telic (and emotionally invested in) desire to be a good Christian.

being a good Christian is self-serving, material gain? well, if we’re going to be that semantically loose with the notion of “selfishness” then sure, i’ll bite the bullet and say all desires are selfish . . .

@uglypeoplefucking

As opposed to the American Gardens Building on West 81st street? … affirmative

okay then that, in it’s own simple way, explains why we don’t all live in the jungle wearing dickies and eating turtle meat. it’s simply more desirable for us to live under other conditions.

[Duality]

@uglypeoplefucking

@Duality

Why not. As they say, if you shit where you eat… you’d better enjoy sloppy seconds

well,at least you admit this stuff about feeble-mindedness is sloppy seconds

I’m not a pro in that department like you, so I’ll have to take your word for it.

@Duality

Because desire is impulsive. At least the way you define it when stating:

@uglypeoplefucking

You can also have the telic desire of taking a reasonable course of action - say you realize that even though you are in a hurry it is unreasonable to run all the red lights because you’re likely to get in an accident - that would be reasoning oneself out of an unwise course of action - but it is all still subsumed in the desire to avoid accidents and injuries - reason is the tool of that desire.

@uglypeoplefucking

desire is not solely impulsive - it’s usually born of instinct, sure - like the desire for survival - but that doesn’t mean it’s purely: see-want-grab - tho it may start out that way as newborns, until we learn through experience that there are steps to take (and as you point out, work to be done) in order to sucessfully acheive most of the things we want.

This is preassumed garbage. If someone wanted something and desires were in full control, reason would never come into play.

@uglypeoplefucking

@Duality

uglypeoplefucking wrote:
i never said all we desired was physical satisfaction - at least not as you’re likely to be defining it
Sounds like you did when you stated reason is a tool of personal desires.

i don’t think desire is strictly personal or physical (again, at least not in the ways you are likely to be defining them) one can, as i have said, have reasoned desires - one can have empathic and altruistic desires - one can share likeminded desires with large groups, and lesser desires can be subordinated to all of the above, using, among other things, reason - but all of the above are stll desires, and without them, there would be no call for the use of reason in the first place. Reason remains a tool of desire - but a tool of ALL types of desire, not just basic corporeal or greed-based desires.

Then how can desire at one time want physical satisfaction, and another time it’s idealistic pursuits? If reason tells the superior man how to direct desire, then what really is in control?

@uglypeoplefucking

being a good Christian is self-serving, material gain? well, if we’re going to be that semantically loose with the notion of “selfishness” then sure, i’ll bite the bullet and say all desires are selfish . . .

Right. Be good and you’ll go to heaven. Unfortunately this is simply more feeble simplicity more for the mental midgets.

@uglypeoplefucking

@uglypeoplefucking

As opposed to the American Gardens Building on West 81st street? … affirmative

okay then that, in it’s own simple way, explains why we don’t all live in the jungle

How?

[uglypeoplefucking]

okay, Duality - if you’re going to continue to be deliberately insulting then i’m done with this conversation - i’ve had enough of that from you in previous threads - you can go find someone else to take your ideological angst out upon.

[Duality]

Lol, if you think those are insults, you’d better be getting back to the knitting club

[uglypeoplefucking]

i have delicate sensibilities

and it just gets tiresome after a while

[Duality]

@uglypeoplefucking

and it just gets tiresome after a while

Why? everytime you lose a convo you always learn something.