# Empty
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054
**Category:** Non-Philosophical Chat
**Created:** [August 10, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054 "2008-08-10T15:45:34Z")
**Posts on this page:** 18
**Page:** 1
### Author:  [@Pandora](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Pandora)
#### Post date: [August 10, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/1 "2008-08-10T15:45:34Z")
Deleted
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### Author:  [@Kriswest](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kriswest)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:00pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/2 "2008-08-11T12:00:19Z")
Strike one
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### Author:  [@Kriswest](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kriswest)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:07pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/3 "2008-08-11T12:07:49Z")
😕
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### Author:  [@Impious](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Impious)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2008, 5:14am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/4 "2008-08-12T05:14:05Z")
Would you rather have people saying things they don’t agree with?
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### Author:  [@Pandora](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Pandora)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2008, 1:23pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/5 "2008-08-12T13:23:36Z")
This was a duplicate of my other thread. I could not delete the thread, so I left it empty.
Guys, you really don’t have to participate in empty threads, they were not intentional.
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### Author:  [@Kriswest](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kriswest)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2008, 2:41pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/6 "2008-08-12T14:41:34Z")
You had three of them, for me the way they were sequenced was irrisistable to my humor 😆
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### Author:  [@Kriswest](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kriswest)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2008, 2:41pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/7 "2008-08-12T14:41:35Z")
This was unintentional, we used to be able to delete double postings
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### Author:  [@Impenitent](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Impenitent)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2008, 3:23pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/8 "2008-08-12T15:23:03Z")
empty vee leads to empty heads…
-Imp
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### Author:  [@Kriswest](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kriswest)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2008, 3:28pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/9 "2008-08-12T15:28:58Z")
Talking Heads need the empty vee
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### Author:  [@Impenitent](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Impenitent)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2008, 3:53pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/10 "2008-08-12T15:53:18Z")
> [@Kriswest](#):
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> Talking Heads need the empty vee
same as it ever was
-Imp
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### Author:  [@realunoriginal](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/realunoriginal)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2008, 7:00pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/11 "2008-08-12T19:00:59Z")
> [@Pandora](#):
>
> they were not intentional.
Are you sure about that? 
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### Author:  [@Kriswest](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kriswest)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/12 "2008-08-12T19:44:26Z")
It was intentional intent to not intend
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### Author:  [@Mr\_Reasonable](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Mr_Reasonable)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2008, 7:55pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/13 "2008-08-12T19:55:36Z")
Can it be rational to form an intention which you have no intention of fulfilling?
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### Author:  [@Impenitent](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Impenitent)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/14 "2008-08-12T20:17:30Z")
while abstracting abstractions the illusionist said abracadabra and the sesame seed bun was unable to open the door…
-Imp
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### Author:  [@realunoriginal](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/realunoriginal)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2008, 8:24pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/15 "2008-08-12T20:24:38Z")
Poets have left the building.
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### Author:  [@Pandora](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Pandora)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/16 "2008-08-12T23:45:19Z")
Alright.
> [@Smears](#):
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> Can it be rational to form an intention which you have no intention of fulfilling?
1. If one has a split/double personality, it might be possible.
2. When one is daydreaming.
> [@realunoriginal](#):
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> Are you sure about that?
Yes, my intention was to post only one (not multiples).
Do you:
a. Doubt my judgment?
b. Doubt my sincerity?
c. Just want to quibble with me?
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### Author:  [@realunoriginal](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/realunoriginal)
#### Post date: [August 13, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/17 "2008-08-13T00:40:45Z")
> [@Pandora](#):
>
> Do you:
> a. Doubt my judgment?
> b. Doubt my sincerity?
> c. Just want to quibble with me?
Yes… 😃
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### Author:  [@Mr\_Reasonable](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Mr_Reasonable)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/empty/22054/18 "2008-08-15T19:37:27Z")
What about in matters of deterrence?
If we say rationality is that which either increases utility, or at least prevents the minimum from being lowered, then we may say that we intend to respond to nuclear attacks with more nuclear attacks.
If the one that hits us is devastating, then we look at the rest of the world and decide to devastate them back, then we would be decreasing utility and thus being irrational.
But to form the intention might be rational because until we’ve been struck with a nuclear bomb, utility is relativley high and making such a threat may be the best way to keep it from dropping.
The threat would have to be real for it to work.
So I think that you can rationally form an intention which couldn’t be rationally fulfilled.
Sure can.
Yep.