Enlightenment/Ego-Death does not exist and has never existed

Some of these new age guru frauds are scamming you by claiming that they can make you enlightened and that they are enlightened and that you have to buy their book first and then the cd and then the dvd and then go to the seminar and then go to meeting and then buy a picture and then spread the message.

It’s all bullshit and it’s a huge scam.

Enlightenment does not exist, it’s a made-up term that looks pretty on paper but in reality does not exist, it’s made up to sell books, cds, movies, dvds,seminars, everything, you name it.

Ego death is a scam because you can not kill the ego, it’s IMPOSSIBLE.

Just be aware that Enlightenment and ego death are scams and full of guru frauds that will try to scam you for their own benefit.

Monks are a scam, zen is a scam, buddhism is a scam, they are all frauds wearing a rope and wearing a mask aka ACTING.

Dont be fooled.

Everything, literally EVERYTHING is ego, everything.

Why do people want ‘‘enlightenment’’ in the first place? = Ego.

Why do people post on forums and talk and speak and take drugs and eat and drink water? = Ego.

Just accept who you are and stop searching and chasing something that does not and has never existed in the first place.

Emm…
…so what you are saying is that anyone claiming “TheRealTruth” is really just an egotist scamming you?

[i]“Everything you read on the Internet is a lie.”

…oh …emm… oops…[/i] :blush:

Good catch. But at least there is no reference to The Real God. Or to THE God.

Well, if you ever hear a mysterious voice saying, “This is God. Take my word for it, I am not real”, then you know the truth… about… yourself. :sunglasses:

But then does it make it any different, then when the voice says “I am real” ?

Would the difference be saying, on one hand, I must be crzy, , or, that the gods must be crazy on the other?

One yields certainty. The other leaves you with a grain of doubt.

He’s anti-Enlightenment/Ego-death, not anti-Truth propositions.

I think you’re putting words in his mouth… :-"

But all Buddhism fake?

The certainty of that unrealness has to correspond to that grain of sand, nevertheless, if it could, by any stretch of the imagination be even said to be sensible, otherwise, it could only be based strictly on proposition.

Is it possible that there might be a non-egocentric reason for someone believing and saying something?

…well… not around here. I mean throughout the world.

 Possibility again, begs on a corresponding idealfunction,  probability is like finding angels dancing on a pin.


And James, if not here, where?
 Totally agreed.  However, this is very categorical, and it is the "should" part of the "is". If it is inded a part, rather than apart.

Ask Uniscore. :sunglasses:

The truth about myself is rooted in dasein interacting with others out in a particular world. And that surely includes all references to Enlightenment and God. After all, how in the world do we ever really transcend the ego here? Other than, perhaps, in believing that we have. But merely believing that something is true is not the hard part.

But then again…
… “so says the Dasein.

Everything cannot be ego, because one of the ego’s prime functions is to separate what is me from what is not me. Ironically to say Everything is ego is a kind of mystical enlightenment description.

Further the OP is presuming that englightenment and ego Death go hand in hand in all systems. They need not.

I actually have a great distaste for ego Death intentions. And ‘enlightenment’ tends to mean a state I am not interested in accomplishing, but the OP shows a confused understanding of both.

Are you equating Dasein with the Ego?

The ego is dasein situated out in a particular world…coming to understand it in a particular way. In my view, folks invent things like Enlightenment and God as a way not only to convince themselves there is just one true way in which to understand it, but one true way in which everyone should understand it. If they wish to be though of as rational.

And, again, with respect to such things as logic, math, science and the laws of nature there probably is. But other relationships exist more as just points of view. Sans God there is no enlightened Truth.

Or so it seems to me.

Conspiracy!!! :astonished:

That’s not my point. It’s never been my point. The ego revolves around any number of physical, material, phenomenal relationships that are true objectively. Or as close to that as science is now able to ascertain. And daseins are either in alignment with it or they are wrong.

In other words, it’s true that dasein [a particular ego] can claim to believe something about God and Enlightenment. Again, however, that’s not the hard part. The hard part revolves around coming up with an argument [or an accumulation of actual empirical evidence] that shows clearly that others must embrace this be belief as well. If they do not it can be shown that they are wrong.

To wit:

Barack Obama is president of the United States. True. This transcend ego, dasein.
Barack Obama is an enlightened president. Says who?

Barack Obama professes to believe in the Christian God. True. This transcends ego, dasein.
The Christian God is The Real God. Says who?