Enough of this Nazis/Fascist Crap

Most of the fucking shit on thus forum is now Neo-Nazis crap, or Fascist. Its hidden behind Nietzscheanism, because it’s very easy to blend in, as both are directly descended from Nietzsche’s ideas.

  1. Europe, or America, or anywhere for that matter, isn’t at risk of dissapearing because of migration. Migrants pose economic stress, eat up social resources, increase taxation, and puts a educational burden on host societies, but the actual act of fucking and reproduction doesn’t.

In the US’s case, being blond and blue eyed male, fairly good in history, I can testify the white population here has always been around brown people from day one, always interbred even during our most racist era, and actually actively imported other racial groups to the US, as well as immigrated ourselves (our white selves) to culturally Hispanic areas… who had a European heritage just as authentic as our own.

We tend to forget rather fast that Europe over the past 3500 years has been nothing save endless migrations. Celts repeatedly invaded Turkey… Latin Romans with brown skin went all over the place during imperial times. Greeks spread all over the place. Germans went all over. Everyone fucked with everyone. Thats what happens with dark age migratory populations.

Europeans invaded North Africa and the middle east, and vice versa. We swapped ideologies and philosophies repeatedly.

So why are we afraid of migrants because they speak a different language and skin and hair color? A lot of the genes white people have for skin pigmentation are from the Neanderthals, but the actual whiteness of skin is only 7000 years old. I’m white as fuck, but in my portion of the Ohio River Valley is at the same latitude as southern Italy, Madrid, Central Turkey, Shanghai… several shades of skin, same amount of sunlight. Oh fucking well… doesn’t appear any one tint is going to make or break a population in a temperant climate. Perhaps at the extremes of climates, maybe whites can better make it in the Arctic and blacks at the equator, but I’ve seen plenty of evidence they can survive just fine in such extreme environments, and reproduce just well.

Its really coming down to fear of others of our same, identified race or culture, viewed skin deep, from fucking people who don’t look like us. It doesn’t lead to a genocide to bring in some new genes, it leads to increased adaptability of your current gene pool. If 999 out of 1000 people are white, than 1 guy who isn’t won’t destroy said race. If his genes are worth anything, they will survive, but more than likely will be choked out of the gene pool after 8 generations, where none of his descendants won’t any longer carry any of his genes. If small migrant communities are established, it can carry in linger, but not forever. Where is my evidence? The Romans imported colonial populations via their legions from Syria and Africa for centuries, settled them as hereditary, auxiliary troops to man defended and provide certain ethnic units. Kindly point to the towns and cities in Europe and Britian where it’s obviously still influenced? Which towns along Hadrian’s wall or the European limes are Black or Syrian?

Are most aware Hungarians are Asian? No… you wack off to their porn without hesitation, even Nietzsche was into Hungarian Women. We call them European, but they are as European as any steppe population.

The necessity of adding a skin deep theory of race to migration, and then adapting it to a fight or flight formula is absurd. Its a poorly designed linguistic formula, and it’s not natural to fear linguistic formulas. Our fight or flight response developed from visceral phenomena, clear and present, not linguistic hypothetical. Lemurs and cats don’t flee on a linguistic fear, but clear phenomena (or something mistaken for it).

Can and do migrants pose a risk? Yes. But racism is the most backwards and ineffective tool in existence for tackling threat long term. Other problems exist, you can’t solve them from ostracizing racial minorities like in Idiocracy, when they tried to fix the nuclear reactor with Toilet Water (watch the movie to get the analogy). You might blunder yet effectively fix a social problem from pogroms and racisms by scarring half the country away… the racial minorities but also your educated intellectuals… but this isn’t going to fix non-race based social issues, like stopping floods or balancing the budget in the long term. You’ve invested all your intellectual capacity in Rwanda style pogroms instead of intellectual investment on the ways and means to technical competency in government.

The best way to make migrant issues to dissapear is to make the need go away. Europe stopped immigrating and colonizing after World War II, after the US and the USSR forced Europe into regional alliances known as regional Blocs, and not state by state regional alliences formed by territorial regional alliances. The encouragement of geography and shared military capacity, not race or religion.

Europe should be the easiest territory to defend. It has Spain, Italy, Greece, and the Eastern European border with the Russian sphere to defend. President Bush tried to strengthen this during the Iraq War… Spain and Italy gave up and militarily collapsed, due to socialistic confusion, Ukraine and Poland stayed with it, not to mention Georgia (the farthest reachest of Europe). Europe didn’t take the threat seriously, and as a result, these regions are now theaters of migration and war. Even Poland is facing off a fortified Russian border with nukes pointed at them. The southern Med states are utterly broken security wise. Germany keeps trumpeting for more migrants because it’s suffering from a demographics collapse and can’t finance it’s absurdly high retirement costs.

It goes past this… Swedes have been the bastion of European liberalism, but are now a hotbed of racism, arson attacks, and they have been dumping migrants on Finland. Russia has been smuggling refugees to it’s Arctic Norwegian border… Norway views it as a attack to destabilize their country, but Sweden is fat on oil revenue, it can easily afford it.

The response shouldn’t be to hide in racism and fascism. Heck, Europe is so backwards today militarily I suspect the migrants could win hands down. You’ll alienate Turkey, and it can easily use it’s massive army to overwhelm Europe up to Italy and Austria (second largest in NATO, after the US). Do any of you racists actually think Denmark or the Netherlands will pull their resources to defend a united Europe in some sort of fascist ‘counter attack’? Fuck no, they are too backwards and incompetent to do anything save profit from the chaos.

You end up with a bunch of pale skin, retarded European fascist high on Nietzsche and Nihilism, excited yet clueless in regards to how to solve the problems at hand.

What should Europe do?

As I pointed out, Europe is fairly easy to defend. Merkel needs to shut her trap, quit using repentance from the Basis era as a excuse to send in more migrants… 100% certain that’s not the reason, it’s the demographics collapse.

Germany lost a lot of population from back to back Imperial and Fascist wars, focused on industrialization and economics instead of family and freedoms to believe. Socialism and ecology replaced faith and reason, and property taxes went sky high.

End result us a highly stressed out society voluntarily entering into extinction. They are atheists because they are “too wise” to be otherwise, and as a corallary, are dying off in this wisdom. Not too fucking smart. But a simple return to a in authentic recreation of the past isn’t going to work either. Germany went down this very road by embracing fascism and state controlled religion. It produced it’s own fucked up counter even more extreme. You have to let this stuff grow organically, not force it. It needs to be the effect of other actions to have a positive response, not force it. What your forcing isn’t the authentic experience, but a limited imitation of only aspects of a phenomena we poorly understand.

Europe needs a united security defence force… all countries share in the naval and shore defence. Guys with night vision, in the woods at night. International deportation centers all police send illegals to. If you had this, individual countries wouldn’t have to fortify their borders in the middle of Europe. Its much cheaper and more efficient to do this together than separate.

It should be a highly trained, ethical force, recruited from European Infantry Veterans knowledgeable in the use of force, and confident in their hand fighting skills to err on the side of caution and be open enough to approach individuals without pointed a gun at them in tense situations than screaming at them with the barrel pointed from a distance. Fascism is purely fear driven… competent police aren’t fascist, they are professions willing to take a risk and get up close. It reduces fatalities, increases face to face contacts. Dialogue, discussion. When you have communication, positive outcomes, and suggested solutions the larger society wouldn’t be aware of pops up. Police and military who are welcomed and praised as essential to their societies are more willing to develop new ethical concepts on the use of force, and suggest new ideas to fix them based on experience, than ones screamed at and intellectually blocked by the political and philosophical left.

When Fascism = Conservatism, the left will equate Use of Force = Extreme Excesses in war. So shut the Fuck up about Fascism and Nietzsche, abandoned the defunct model, and focus more on reasonable use of force theories we’ve developed since the enlightenment. Stop being racist retards. Your only hurting yourselves.

Secondly, when your military Blocs are attacked, like NATO was in 9-11, discourage leftist banality. NATO was stumbling around in the dark since the fall of the Warsaw Pact up toll then, and in response, the European left imploded. Spain and Italy bailed out, Europe largely waged a war of ideas against the US. End result? US listened, elected a European minded idealist… Obama, and the war went to shit, the pain landing on Europe’s doorstep the hardest.

Europe made this mess. It didn’t take it’s NATO responsibilities seriously, pussy footed around with hostile countries, undermined it’s own security in the name of focusing around on their own economy.

End result? Middle east blew up. Refugees poured in mass into Europe.

In terms of international strategy, you build blocs. If local populations shoot at one another, build walls… keep them segregated till they calm the fuck down, it can take a few generations, and encourage them to have their ethnic, class, or national enclaves to integrate their armed forces, or at least regularly work together, until they become less threatened by each other. Mutually ensure one another.

I’m not talking Christian vs Arab blocs, but regional ones. All African, or Central Asian. Russians already have a rather lame one, CIS. Southeast Asia and Oceania likewise has a lame one. We need to intensify cross officer training and standardization of regional equipment, and focus if emergency response. Help one another during national disasters and famine. Join together against piracy and Mafias/cartels. Push institutions like The Promethian Institute in India to impoverished areas for bottom up solutions,and Bill Gates foundations for more advanced countries to solve issues.

Most importantly, know which dictators ad tyrants to tolerate, and which ones to knock off. Qaddafi was dashing in agricultural reforms. Irrigating massive areas of the desert. He was a piece of shit, deserved to die for many reasons, but we killed him for petty reasons, and the results have been pretty and backwards. Egypt is a mitary dictatorship… but is building a massive new city to alleviate poverty and improve government and effiency of economy. Don’t knock them off. Israel is a apartheid state, but because it’s isolated internationally and has decades of invasion, terrorism, and genocidal rhetoric levied at them. Instead of running liberal euro-pogroms on them, attacking their economy, encourage Israeli and Palestinian police to do joint training in Europe and North America, head out on shared patrols. Share economic ideas, open safe trade and banking routes that meets both peoples security needs. The European lefts approach yo Israel has done absolutely nothing to heal the rift on either side, nor bring the divide to the end. If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem.

With ISIS… shit. Mosul is being held by less than 1200 guys. My base in Alaska had 2500 stationed in my brigade. Thats a 2:1 superiority. We tend not to put ground troops in unless it’s 3:1… that would mean a brigade and a half to eliminate ISIS and allow several million refugees to return home.

Using small kill teams, heavy on sniper and airstrikes, SF… even Belgium could overwhelm ISIS in it’s second largest stronghold without directly taking them.

Why isn’t this happening? Liberal confusion and inactivity. Retards holding “give peace a chance” have destroyed the peace. Thousands have died, genocides have occurred, millions of refugees. Why? Alienation of humanity of others. End result? Paris massacres, migrants all over Europe.

Iraq can’t pull it off alone. Its little more than a puppet of Iran at this point. Its federal forces are broken, and it’s reliant on shia militias, based on the Iranian Revolutionary model. Its purely religious and nationalist, it’s not aimed at promoting security, but something calked “power”, a deeply backwards, medieval concept that doesn’t exist in reality.

A coalition between Blocs to systematically hit ISIS, not just from the air but also every level on the ground, would due wonders. ISIS and Nursa Front would collapse into cells. Rotation of peace keepers could keep the individual pain any country feels to a minimum. The most elite forces within any bloc could get the hardest locations.

National and socialist aspirations like in Spain and Italy fucks over international peace. It ensures the continuation if war, the continuation of ignorance, a go it alone mentality. Any positive gain a nation gains will be taken from illegal migrants willing to work harder for less, undermining any socialist agenda.

You want a easy peaceful life, you have to eliminate war. Europe, this means paycuts and working more hours to fund middle eastern Marshall Plans. You don’t need minimum wages $15 a hour, you can make it on much less. These people need it much more in Africa and the middle east. The US did it for your fucked up Marxist, Fascist Asses, time to return the favor. NATO needs to stand up, push warmongers like Merkle aside, do the right thing… put a end to the violence on the periphery of NATO, and the escapism within NATO… end the fucking wars already.

Race is in constant flux, as is language, beliefs, ideas. You can’t realistically force it into stasis. We are in a state of constant change. People everywhere are human, motivated by very similar minds. Protectionalist and socialist agendas aren’t improving things, they are making it worst. Scared, pathetic weak individuals bidding behind Fascism are idiots likewise making it worst. Effective political dialogue isn’t possible when these two groups are butting heads. What is killing Europe, and to a lesser extent America, is the inability to see past these two ideologies. Only reason the Us can still project force is because we believed in Blocs, Alliances and always were Anti-Fascist. Europe can’t move forward intellectually as it is stuck between two false ideals, far too similar to one another and equally absurd. No more Zikek, No more Nietzsche, Lenin or Hitler. Knock this stupid shit off and focus more on responsive, responsible Ethics that aim at long term comprehensive solutions on a regional basis. No more of this cultural or racist protectionism… if it’s worthwhile, it will survive. White genes aren’t about to go extinct, anymore than black or Asian. Were still in demand, and fucking and loving between a man and a woman is as valid and beautiful regardless of race… it’s life. Life, surviving, reproduction… it’s very ancient, it carries us forward. Pakistan having 300 million is a little too far, but within the reasons of individuals coupling, it has it’s own logic and wisdom. We shouldn’t ever stand in opposition to the selection of valid reproductive partners save in cases of incest. It causes problems long term, like in Saudi Arabia, who have introduced genetic counseling to avoid bad planned marriages. In cases of mates voluntarily selecting mates, if they can see one another and like one another, it’s more than likely for the good of the population as a whole. Genetic diversity gives resistance to disease, and reduces negative mutations. It can be very good.

Societies like Germany or the Netherlands have decades of bad policies. Lead to obvious problems. A lot isn’t easily reversible. The migrants can do you a lot of good in the meantime, the previous aboriginal population clearly didn’t care about itself. Hid inside of Nietzsche and Heideggar, false ethics and bullshit socialism. The new population will help them grow and survive. They clearly can’t make it as they are now, in their wretched state of collapse. You gotta care about yourselves first. Your idealism shouldn’t alienate your humanity. Your philosophy shouldn’t keep you bound in regression, confusion, or resorting to ever more murderous philosophies.

With international blocs, war is limited and rare. A few wars in the first generations till people calm down. Encouragement to shared resources, emphasis on police competency. A shift for socialism and fascist tendencies to technological and administrative creativity and intellectual analysis. Building regions up from top bottom, and bottom top to solve the worst aspects of life. Abandoning inhumane equality for an awareness of needs and fairness.

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Well Turd offered us his “solutions” and they reflect his soul.
His “solutions” is the Nazi/fascist solution and they will fail because
those solutions always fail and why? Because it is about others and
what the others are doing and what needs to be done about the other people.
That has been the human response since the beginning and it hasn’t worked
so far because the others is not the problem. the answer lies within.
If you are content and happy, the world is much happier and content.
Life solutions are rarely about big dramatic moments. I am a historian
enough to recall the so called Anarchist violence between
1875 and 1914. Bombs were planted and leaders assassinated
and many people were killed and the hysteria in the land rivaled
our hysteria and yet within a few years, it faded and then died, why?
Because the anarchist idea’s were failed idea’s and they failed because no one bought
them anymore because history has a way of making idea’s stale and old.
The wheel will turn and the radicals will find themselves pedaling idea’s
that no one is buying anymore and they will be scattered to the wind.
Simply hold the course and the wheel will turn and some new cause
will fill the land and cause hysteria and newspapers editorials will denounce
the new idea’s and the people will wish for some reformer to save them and
all it will really take, is to hold the course until the wheel turns again.
See the world needs healing and all it really means is heal thyself. nothing more
is needed or asked for, find your utopia within yourself. Find the peace
and love and stability within yourself because it is not found anywhere else.
Heal thyself which really brings us back to Socrates and his profound
statement, Know thyself, and the wheel turns again to past, present and future.

Kropotkin

I am sensing a lot of butthurt Libtardism in this thread.

So if you’re not a racist, sexist believer of eugenics then you’re both liberal and retarded?

I don’t really believe in eugenics myself personally.

I believe in selective and protective preservationist forms of breeding but nothing close to hardcore eugenics.

Yes to all other accounts.

I’m glad that people like you are the minority. I think it’s a shame that you’re overrepresented on this site.

Actually, it’s not their fault. Selective breeding is a fact of life, depending the desirable traits chosen.
Incredibly, though, the analogy is very proper, either this or that, it’s ALL about the caliphate.
A matter of delayed maturation, underneath
questions of identity.

We in the West went through the same thing in 2 world wars, and became thorn in the process, confusing ideals with naïveté. Such confusion begets
guilt. And guilt is a cover, for a forgotten atonement.
To forget is to be guilty of the destruction of coherence. This is the reason behind the fear. This is why Iran’s clergy strikes out. The Ayatollah washes
his hands , as did once before in the West so as to ally itself with the Arab brotherhood.

The age of a clannish Middle East, has again taken up arms to regain a splintered identity.

Minority for now but as time prevails that will change also especially concerning the damnation that the Liberals and so called egalitarian social progressives are creating here in the west.

When that happens more and more a great deal of many people will start flocking to our cause in mass.

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inority for now but as time prevails that will change also especially concerning the damnation that the Liberals and so called egalitarian social progressives
are creating here in the west.

When that happens more and more a great deal of many people will start flocking to our cause in mass.[
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And that will star the whole cycle of feigning of ignorance, to cover for unsustainable events,(unusual in the sense of pretending that such event is unprecedented, which most average will believe, because they believe history al determinism is dead).
This so. And this so called ignorance is again blamed on a recurrent cover for a desirable naïveté. Then comes predictable chaos, and the search for affordable reasons to wage war. The ensuing blood letting will serve as some kind of temporary catharsis in the name of peace , with everyone suddenly reading Tolstoy. After which the same of’ cycle will repeat fueled by opportunism.

 Do we really desire eternal recurrence? Then our God is simply Satan himself. Perhaps this is not only probable, but necessary.

Can’t say I didn’t warn you. If you tolerate this (or put Christian Nazi posters into moderator positions) then you’ll continue to have this problem.

I’m not really seeing the migrant problem as a racial issue. I’m sure the swarthy brown people from Arab nations would make for perfectly acceptable citizens anywhere on Earth if they gave up their hideous ideology. The only time I see race being brought into it at all is when leftists call criticism of Islam ‘racist’ because they are retarded, and the people arguing with them accept the lapse in correct terminology because, let’s face it, you have to be willing to put up with non-standard definitions and new definitions for old terms being made up on the spot if you want to have a conversation with progressives.

Maybe their ideology is just the manifestation of their genetics, so the leftists who accuse the criticizers of Muslims as ‘racists’ may have a point, and if the Muslims are the way they are due to genetics and not ideology it would also be perfectly logical to ban immigration because it would be impossible to integrate them into a Western society as their undesirable behavior would be an inescapable consequence of who they are, not just a matter of coincidence that they were indoctrinated into an ideology that is unacceptable according to Western standards.

The refugee issue is first and foremost a matter of morality. The way you tackle the problem reveals whether you are a moral or an immoral individual, and it is precisely on this ground that most of the criticism against the right is made.

The Golden Rule of Morality states that “one should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself”.

So ask yourself this question: how would you like to be treated if you were a refugee?

It is the answer to this question that leads to most of the disagreements between leftist and rightist politics. There is really no need to go beyond this. All other issues are of SECONDARY importance.

If we were refugees, each one of us would prefer to be welcomed. Hence, what each country should do, or rather, should strive to do, is to welcome refugees.

If you disagree with this and think that either different standards apply to different people (because they are Muslims or whatever) or that one should not seek help at all, then you are a barbarian who is still stuck in Paleolithic era and who is thus still prioritizing survival over morality.

The accusation of racism follows from this.

Racism refers to a particular kind of mindset that evolved in wild, uncertain, environments that favored the primitivism of opportunists (who prioritize survival) over the sophistication of nobles (who prioritize understanding.)

If your priority is to survive, it follows that the way you interpret and interact with reality will not necessarily be accurate and just. Your actions would be truthful and just only on condition that they are beneficial to your survival. In the situation that they are detrimental to your survival, you would be more than happy to take advantage of the morally repulsive alternative.

It is precisely for this reason that racists are happy to rely on abstractions that may be incorrect in reality and unjust in practice, but that are nonetheless useful in securing their survival.

Because such an attitude has been a common one throughout the entire evolution of life, rightists are inclined to think that there is nothing wrong with it, and not only that, but also that it is superior to the noble alternative, if for no other reason than because it is “realistic” (which means nothing other than popular.)

They have managed to trick themselves into thinking that the term “racism” has no meaning at all, and if there is any meaning to it, that it means nothing other than “smart”, or as some think, even “white”.

Left/right means young/old. Are you young or are you old?

We all know that with age people become more stubborn, more inflexible, less willing to change their minds and more likely to become addicted to the habits they have developed during their earlier period of life. This is what paves the way for the mummified way of living that has been traditionally called traditionalism.

This is also true for modern left, for many of the modern leftists are in many ways old and thus rightist, but they nonetheless retain more youthfulness than their rightist counterpart.

These are people who are completely dominated by instinct. There is no hope for them to ever transcend their instincts.

This is the reason why they are utterly incapable of comparing the two positions, that of nobility and that of survivalism, for each time they attempt to criticize nobility they do so from the point of view survivalism, thus resulting in circular, self-referential, reasoning.

They say “nobility is bad because nobility does not aid survival” as if nobility was supposed to aid survival. As if nobility wasn’t a willingness to sacrifice one’s survival for the sake of higher ends.

In order to compare two different perspectives you need to find a third, neutral, perspective located somewhere outside of these two perspectives. To be able to find such a perspective you must be able to get outside of your very own perspective, and that means, to transcend your instinct. If you cannot do this, you will never be able to objectively criticize any two positions and you will forever remain stuck within the narrow horizon of your natural inclinations.

And on this ground shall we criticize all of the rightist politics.

We should also be wary of people who claim that “morality is a product of natural selection” which it isn’t. Only pseudo-moralities are. For anything that is a product of natural selection is necessarily prioritizing survival, hence, not genuinely moral. These are pseudo-moralities that are familiar to all barbarians, for the only way barbarians can experience morality is via pseudo-morality, so their criticism makes sense, but it becomes misguided when applied universally, to all moralities.

Different ends require different means.

When noone speaks of ends but is pretty clear that their means are ignoble, then we can safely assume ignoble ends.

when I analyze the problem, I see clearly that war is a scourge and the refugee issue wouldnt exist if people in the west were wise enough to understand that war will never be the answer but further special interests, benefit those at the very top.

So, the bottom line is that the troops should all be called back home and migrants too sent back to their own countries. Trying to make up for the immorality of war (accept refugees), is going to make it worse. It would also mean that we accept to pay for the elite’s crimes.

No thanks.

Nah. And even if so- even if Islam is more appealing to Arabs because they have the asshole gene, it doesn’t mean the asshole gene can’t or couldn’t be channeled into something less odious. I’m sure plenty of people born with a predisposition towards aggression become chainsaw artists, and people with a lack of empathy become surgeons.

They still wouldn’t have a point- even if Arabs are compelled to be Muslim, it’s not racist to criticize Islam rather than Arabs, especially if the criticizer doesn’t believe the racial argument.

There’s plenty of Arabs that are Christians, Hindu, Ba’hai, atheistic, Jewish, and so on. This shouldn’t be overly hard to rule out.

Yeah, and if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

Well argued.