If everything came from God and everything is part of God, then why not evil? It would’nt mean God is evil, but simply somewhere in God came corruption.
The “corruption” is what the Jews or now the Americans don’t like.
Ofcourse the DICKtator ontop of the orginization is morally perfect, and then it’s all a matter of: “Become like me, almost exactly, so that you can think you’re will is the same as the will of the creator of the universe, thus placing your moral identity above all other non-adherents and all other species.”
Some religions came from a psychodelec-esoteric spirituality culture, and those ones are the most fucked up, too.
Mayans and Aztex are the largest example.
Taoists and Buddha weren’t loaded on shrooms and shit like that when they wrote their works, and it’s not like some angry god basterd is going to send you to hell if you don’t listen to the admittedly human, I-AM-NOT-GOD-OR-GOD’s-MESSENGER types of spirituality leaders.
Anybody who accepts and agrees with the idea of hell, is a monster, lower than an animal, seeing himself as something righteous and holy. A total lie.
But the corruption came from god and thus, unless you believe corruption to be an aspect of perfection, god is not perfect, nor omnipotent as he was unable to stop his own corruption. Ha!
You cannot defeat the stronger, dogmatic forms of Xian faith, as they have become entirely resistant to logic and reason.
They have been forced upon the child from an early age, usually, and such ideas are constantly being pounded in. Going so far as to deny an animal its own sexuality, and claim it was not an animal at all, but somehow, the property of a god, an idea of men, a control mechanism, without sane reason.
Meanwhile, even I could do a better job than he, if I was given the power.
But… the entire foundationalism is flawed.
I can’t build truth and right reason upon lies and false-knowledge.
In the same way, I cannot have a clear view of the universe if I think the bible is God’s own thoughts, because, his morality and actions are narrow, foolish, etc.
He basically gives you a commandment, and waits hundreds or thousands of years, then kills you if you don’t listen and do as your told. No full reason, no explanation, no assistance towards change, always a human “messenger”.
It is basically saying: “You’ve got to listen to the messenger, or, or, well, eventually your in deep shit.”
It is based on both threat and promise. Using the far future, and the far passed, as weapons towards slavery and exploitation. As usual, the only children who dady doesn’t shoot are the ones who push the plows and pick the grapes faithfully for their entire lives.
It’s shit, very inhumane, foolish.
If taken literally, as the same supposedly perfect god wrote the rules which the ancient Isrealites fallowed.
“Love what I love, and hate what I hate” – can only lead to yet another form of human slavery, whether in mild or in forceful forms.
Christianity did not spread because it made any sense at all. It spread because it was at the tip of a sword. Ofcourse, the christian basterds all forget and ignore how many people they have killed and oppressed in the passed. They basically say: “OH well, forgive us, we’re true christians, they were not.”
Every one of the fools claims to be “unlike the rest, a true christian.”, whilst even attaching one’s self to christianity – is an insult to nature herself.
God did not create evil, he only gave choice to follow him and be selfless like his example or oppose him with selfishness. The fact that some being was the first to go against the golden rule was the fault and original creation of that individual not God.
Evil, as we know it, is strictly endemic to the paradigm of human thought, and it is manifest in our behavior, intentional or otherwise, and it comes complete with “what goes around, comes around” cyclic reinforcement.
Panentheistically speaking, which is the correct way to reference God, though evil is a part of God by virtue of God’s true panentheistic manifestation, evil is a locally limited phenomenon with respect to the entire being of God.
Since we are local to the evil, God assigns us to handle it.
Likewise, we, as material-based spiritual beings, handle a tiny, localized and minor skin rash on our leg by assigning local cellular action to handle repairing most of the damage. Local cells deal with the rash directly, and they call on “delivery” of systemic repair materials when needed, complete with our being’s spiritual assistance, if desired and required.
In the same manner, God allows us to take care of evil as it is most certainly our local responsibility, and we can call on all the reserves of humanity to help “deliver” healing assistance, complete with a prayer or two and meditative receipt of Godly aid when needed and required.
I disagree,
The very word is a human construct to begin with but it is usually used to explain an action of one person hurting another needlessly and purposelessly for their own gain.
Evil is a proactive thing, it is all about intent and its root is putting self above another to the point of causing damage to that person and knowingly so. An animal cannot commit an Evil act IMO, and neither can the laws of nature. Its not wrong or evil to die, its wrong or evil to be murdered or murder though.
I agree, we need a consensus; I’ve already given my definition and specified that the intent is key. I would also state that all immoral things and evil acts stem from one common root of selfishness.
That has been done:Evil is created when an autonomous dynamic entity existing at our level (i.e. a person, system, group, and the like), that either has no heart or whose heart is not sovereign over its life, threatens, to any degree, to end the life of another entity at our level that has a heart.
Yuck, what a terrible convoluted and overly complicated explanation, plus I see a major flaw in that a system by its self cannot be Evil, only the people in the system can be Evil. ANd a threat may or may not be Evil, its kind like a lie, you can be wrong without lying.
First lets find a common ground on what can be evil:
And yet I find it simply accurate without convolution or complication, straight to the point of the truth of the matter.
I sense you don’t grasp the easily comprehendible component concepts of the definition.
No system “that exists at our level” is ever by itself – it is pawned by human beings.
The foundational example is the Money System … and we all know what is written: “the love of money is the root of all evil”, and “certainly the Money System is the personified evolutionary result of the love of money experienced and codified by those in power throughout the ages”, a system which human beings participate in maintaining, a system, that by its very nature creates death-effecting poverty and war that, by definition, is evil in process.
Left to our own natural devices, we’d not behave so evilly. But the Money System systemically compels us to those behaviors, against our free will and in violation of the foundational right to life and the right to security of person.
Thus, the Money System contains evil.
Here it is you who exhibit a flawed perspective.
People cannot be evil.
Evil can exist in a person’s thoughts, reflected in a person’s deeds, but that person is not evil.
Evil can be accurately thought of as a non-fatal spiritual tumor that can be excised.
Remember, the appropriate analogy is that evil is to sin as the person behaving in an evil manner is to sinner.
The sin and the sinner are not the same thing.
Neither is evil and the evil-doer the same thing.
All this is accounted for in the correct and concise definition of evil that I presented.
If you were to hit someone in the head you may kill them. Such is why assault and battery is illegal. The act, when done for non-self-defense-of-your-very-life reasons is an evil act.
So, if you threaten to hit your wife, you have created a thought that is evil … and that is how evil is created.
An act of evil is simply that: the evil thought carried out into actual behavior.
The evil still existed previously, in your thoughts.
Likewise, President Bush had evil thoughts about invading Iraq to steal Iraq’s oil distribution rights. When he executed that invasion, knowing, as he did, that the result would be the slaughter of scores of thousands of Iraqi civilians including little children, he then committed an act of evil, acting upon the evil that existed aforehand in his thoughts.
The evil is conceived in the thought of threat, and birthed with the act … and we all know, in our heart, that conception is the beginning of everything.
You can go throught the motions again if you like, but if you accurately respect the truth of reality in the process, you will end up reinventing the wheel I’ve previously presented.
I suggest you do so only if you like the exercise.
But, regardless of what you discover, you would do well to discard it if it doesn’t match the definition I provided, as you would then be operating from an erroneous conclusion, and such an erroneous conclusion is likely to either leave a degree of evil undisclosed … or erroneously label something evil that is not evil, and we historically know from events, such as the Salem Witch Trials, the evil that can occur when we erroneously label something evil that simply isn’t evil .
I don’t think we are really that far apart, I just wanted to add that I think there is a simpler way to put it. My whole key would be intent, Evil is (IMO) in the intent and the intent is founded in the original sin of selfishness which begot a lie and so on. All sin can be traced to selfishness because of its intent to serve our selves, basically we all want to be God and so did Satan.
But the key is the personal intent to put money before others, that is the flaw and the meaning of this parable IMO, you can operate in the money system without committing Evil and the money system does not take on a Evil life of its own and perpetuate it without the engine that drives it. The engine would be a human in this scenario.
I don’t follow that, do you mean that we are not inherently Evil but the Evil is a separate entity. If so I can see some truth to this to a point. However the point stops when the choice is made to align with the Evil, once you have allied with Evil you are one in the same as long as you abide and sin has been committed against all of man and God. The refusal of Gods Truth is what will ultimately separate us into two groups and thus a need for what is called hell. But in the end we have all committed Evil acts.
I can concede on the idea that technically we are not Evil as we are not the origin of Evil and only choose it over Truth and Love, but I don’t think it changes the heart of the point that Evil is in the intent and rooted in selfishness and you do Evil when you put your self above another and that act causes others needless pain.
I thought Evil was already conceived by Satan, isn’t an Evil deed a choice. And do we not become what we choose if we deny the Truth that we are wrong in doing so?