Evil redefined

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In reading about Eastern philosophies/religions,
one notices that they approach the question of
evil, very differently than we do in the west…
Evil in the east comes from personal ignorance,
desires, attachments, from wants…
There is no sense, as in the west, that evil is
a religious question, in the east, evil comes
from personal ‘‘failure’’… evil comes from a choice
made, not as in the west, which is more collective…
a storm that kills hundreds can be called evil in
the west, but in the east, a storm is just doing
what a storm does… a dog that bit people can
be considered to be evil, but how does a dog that
is just being a dog, be considered to be evil…

Now one particular aspect of evil, which in the east
is this question of illusion… we commit acts of ‘‘evil’’,
or support evil because we are in the grips of illusion…
We see this here in ILP… RealUn is following illusions,
not reality and thus is supporting evil…
he cites the passage of the ''Big, beautiful bill…
now called ‘‘BBB’’… RealUn declares that to be
‘‘winning’’ and we see how ignorance works…
The entire point of the ‘‘BBB’’ is to transfer massive
amount of wealth from the middle class/working poor
to the already very wealthy class… the method of
shifting money is to take it from Medicare/Medicaid,
and shift that money to the wealthy… that isn’t ‘‘winning’’
that is to deprive millions of people medical care, closing
down Nursing Homes, taking away crucial medical
care from those who need it… the old, the very young,
the disabled… if you take away money that helps
people to live/survive and put that money into the hands
of those who have no need for that money, that is
the classic definition of evil… and to RealUn, that
is ‘‘winning’’… his ignorance is astonishing, but
not surprising… part of the ‘‘failure’’ in America today
is this very lack of an educated population and RealUn
is just another uneducated person…
for how does taking lifesaving programs away from people
count as ''winning?" He will babble something about
‘‘waste’’ and my answer is, so the fuck what?
is saving money more valuable than people’s life?
according to RealUn, yes… that is ‘‘winning’’
to allow people to die is, according to RealUn, ‘‘winning’’
to force people into poverty, that too is ‘‘winning’’
to destroy entire communities, that too, is ‘‘winning’’
to take away women’s right to an abortion, make
them have the infant, and then, take away
any hope that the family/mother, can actually
support/feed that child/family, that isn’t ‘‘winning’’
that is evil… but RealUn, calls that ‘‘winning’’
because RealUn, is the very definition of ignorant,
and he engages in following his illusions, that the
passage of IQ45 bills is ‘‘winning’’ when it is
destroying the economy, families, communities,
alliances around the world…

for example, in less than 4 months, IQ45 has
destroyed an alliance with Canada, that has lasted
200 years… he has destroyed America’s alliance with
NATO, over 50 years of an alliance, destroyed our
friendship with European states like France, Germany
and England… that isn’t ‘‘winning’’…and to think so,
as RealUn believes, is ignorance…

and why does RealUn believes in such illusions?
Because he believes in the rightwing propaganda…
the media which is owned by the super wealthy,
has an agenda, that is to keep control over
uneducated people like RealUn…

Now recall that IQ45 has been in office for less than 6 months,
and the economic news has been turning darker and darker…
as it will… given that because the American economy is
so large, that it takes time for actions to take effect…
As I have already stated, the economic news is
getting bad… the economy was predicted to gain
130,000 jobs and only gained 100,000…
Get used to this, this type of news will become more
and more common… as the job losses will grow…
right now, millions are unemployed and that number
will grow… and of course, RealUn will call that ‘‘winning’’
because he is engaged in following his illusions,
practicing ignorance, and denying reality… just
so, he can claim, falsely claim, to be ‘‘winning’’…

I’ve used RealUn as an example of one who is practicing
evil from ignorance and following illusions…
that there are plenty of examples I could have used,
but he is a useful idiot… and thus, a very good example
of ignorance and practicing illusions…

Kropotkin

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I have an addition to make…an economic
addition…

In America, roughly 130,000 people will leave
the job market every month… that is a rough
estimate… they will leave the market for a wide
variety of reasons… medical, personal, family,
retirement… so, if the economy picks up 100,000
jobs, that is a negative number because 130,000
were at the start… the economy lost roughly 30,000
jobs… so, any job report that doesn’t match or surpasses
130,000 is a job loss… so, keep that number in mind,
as you read job gains/losses…

Kropotkin

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MAYA: Illusion or magic… the world is Maya..
the world is illusion…

But that definition leaves out the problem,
if the world is MAYA, then what is real? What is
not illusion in the world?

I have argued that the ‘‘MAYA’’ world does not exist…
because there is nothing past or beyond MAYA…
there is no universal ‘‘thing’’ that is all encompassing
on the world… if there is something beyond MAYA,
then where is it? How would I find it?
Indian philosophy would suggest that I would find the
permanent, forever aspect of the world by looking inside
of me and seeking out Brahman…
that the soul and Brahman are the same thing…

BRAHMAN: refers to the ultimate reality, the supreme,
eternal and infinite principle underlying all existence…

the suggestion that our soul are Brahman, is also
present within Western religion, especially the Catholic
religion.. the eternal soul is one of the ‘‘selling’’ points of
Catholicism… thus, there is some overlap between the east
and west…especially in terms of the soul… and the
point that Religions bring out is that the current world,
the visible world is ‘‘evil’’ and we can only find peace within
heaven… that too is a connection between east and west…
but is that connection actually true? is the world MAYA
as the east says and the west agrees with… the only
true reality is god, at least according to the religions like
Catholicism…

But the fact is to this is an assumption that is quite
unprovable… that the world is MAYA… how do
we go about proving this, that the world is illusion?

but part of the human problem lies within this false belief
that there is something outside of the reality we see
that is eternal and forever… that is god or Brahman…
part of what happens is that we seek what is not there…
we might seek Brahman, but this search will be in vain
and waste time… reality is exactly what we see…
and not in some unexplained, outside the body
idea…

Which leaves us in an interesting place…
and in rejecting the Brahman world for what we
see, we also reject much of western philosophy…
For example, Hegle spirit is also rejected as is
Heidegger quest for ‘‘being’’ as Heidegger search for
being is really another search for god… Heidegger simple
replaces the word ‘‘god’’ with the word ‘‘being’’…
and thus, must be rejected…

Even Nietzsche’s eternal reoccurrence, is mysticism…
because it assumes facts not in evidence… How do we know,
KNOW, that the number of atoms will eventually return us to
the same place and time? That the configuration of Atoms,
by being limited, returns us time and again, to the same place/events?
that we must, must relive our sufferings, our pain, our agony,
over and over again? to say "YES’’ to this eternal reoccurrence,
is happiness… at least according to N.

But I have a simpler solution… we simply say yes to the daily
suffering we face… accept it as part of being alive, as part
of doing business while we are alive… if we live, we
will suffer and endure pain and agony… that is part of
the debt we pay for being human, for being alive…
I am old and I suffer the infirmities of being old…
and I accept it because I have no other choice…
and within that suffering, I am not choosing evil or
good, I am simply accepting what is…
it isn’t defined as being good or evil… it is…
I don’t need all that other crap… god or heaven
or sin or guilt or suffering as evil… it is…
I don’t need to look for or need to find some other
reality, that my suffering from old age isn’t MAYA,
but the reality of being alive… it is what it is, nothing
more, nothing less…

Kropotkin

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America as a whole is a parasite.
A working parasite is fun.

It’s only recently that killing people has been called work.

But for years, parasites in uniform were seen as protectors.

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so, what is the practical effect of rejecting the
idea that the ''world is MAYA" Illusion…

Instead of dealing with the mysticism of religions
and eternal reality… we are forced to deal with our
current reality…that we find reality within concepts
such as evolution and our everyday lives…

We human beings are social creatures… we
can only survive with all of us working together…
that my own survival and my attempts to improve
myself can only happen within a social structure…
the state, the society, the city, that is how we
become… the failure of the right comes from the
fact that they reject this basic premise that our
existence can only come from a social standpoint…
I help you, you help me… I help you to achieve your
needs, food, water, shelter, education, health care,
the basics of human existence… and in doing so,
I also help myself… if my neighbors are damaged
or hurting, that also damages me, hurts me…
I can only improve if my friends and neighbors
are also improving… we live in a world where
it is not zero sum… that the world is a place
where one person improves or gains at the cost
of another person happiness…

With this in mind, we can now understand the
evil that lies within IQ45 agenda… it hurts,
damages people… and by hurting them, you
hurt, damage me… my life and my very survival
depends on others… if they are better off, I am
better off… that is the nature of the social contract…
by helping you, I am helping me… if my neighbors
are being deported, that harms me in a myriad of ways…
if my neighbors are being denied health care because
they are gay or trans, that not only harms them, it
harms me… if my relatives are denied Medicare,
I am directly harmed… and if my neighbors are also
being denied Medicare, that too, harms me…
my own personal success and failure is directly
tied to the success of my friends, neighbors,
and family…and conservatives fail to see that
the only way for my own personal success is through
community success… when my community succeeds,
I succeed… thus, the war on the middle class and working class
by the GOP/MAGA party, is directly harming me and my family…
as it is directly harming you and your family… the deportation
of illegals is harming, directly harming every single person in
America… there is no positive, no benefits to be gained
by the harmful actions of deporting illegals…
there is no money to be saved, in fact, it has been
estimated that by deporting illegals, will cost
America over 200 billion dollars… money that will
never be recovered… that by the extremely harmful
tax cuts that damages the middle class and working poor,
it will harm America to the tune of billions of dollars…
as money taken out of the economy, which the middle
class and working poor must have to spend, and
sending it to the wealthy, who simply take that money
and bank it… they don’t the money, thus they
simply save it and not spend it… and taking that
money out of circulation, harms in variety of ways…
I can’t spend it, it is lying in a bank collecting interest…
interest that isn’t spent, and how does that benefit America?
It doesn’t… that is just another way that IQ45 is
damaging America…

IQ45 has damaged America in ways we can’t even see,
but we will feel in the coming years…
but to say, IQ45 is about ‘‘winning’’… that type
of lie is the true MAYA…

Kropotkin

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For me ‘evil’ is what is destructive for society and nation state. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and anything contrary to that for me is evil.

The problem is that people disagree on so much when it concerns what is good for people or society and this is where ideological conflict stems from.

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note this point: that the entire exercise of
MAGA is to be cruel… Keep this in mind as
I go along…

Let us take RealUn as a typical MAGA type…
All he cares about is ‘‘winning’’’ which according
to them is to make ‘‘liberals weep"…
and they are good with anything that makes the
‘‘liberals weep’’… He has applauded the BBB,
(the big beautiful bill) the fact that it will kill people,
close down nursing homes, close down hospitals,
and outright kill people because they can’t get the
health care that they should get… but RealUn,
is quite OK with that because we ‘‘liberals are weeping’’’
the deaths that this bill causes don’t trouble RealUn in
any way, shape or form… and why? He can’t imagine
or conceive of others suffering… he lacks basic sympathy
for people different from himself… he lacks an awareness of
others that is, for all intents and purposes, is being a psychopath…
that others will suffer greatly doesn’t concern him… all
he cares about is ‘‘winning’’ and that means,
making ‘‘liberals weep’’ and weep we do… because
we have empathy with others… a trait that even
animals have, but apparently not RealUn and other
MAGA types… thus we return to the initial statement,
that the point is to be cruel… to make others suffer,
to laugh at others who will be feeling pain, or have lost
children or parents who will die because of this law… this
BBB… and we weep… and MAGA BELIEVES THAT
IS WINNING… to watch others suffer… the weeping
of liberals while watching families being separate, children
taken away from their parents… a child with cancer, who needed
lifesaving treatment was deported… and the MAGA party celebrates
because they are ‘‘winning’’ and the child, I imagine the child
has already died… and I weep… and the psychopaths like
RealUn, they laugh and celebrate like they won the Superbowl…
another child died… and they are good with that… because
cruelty is the point… and liberals, people who feel and
have sympathy with others, like normal people, not psychopaths
like RealUn or the MAGA party… we weep and the crowd
goes wild because another ‘‘liberal is weeping’’’ and they think
they have won…because cruelty is the point for them…
and to be cruel is to be ‘‘winning’’ at least according to them…

Kropotkin

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Let us take the MAGA beliefs seriously…
that cruelty is the point, that the point of
existence is to be cruel to others…
That shutting down nursing homes and preventing
children from getting the food they should have
and preventing people from getting life saving health
care… is that the point of existence?

The MAGA crowd seems to think so…
that ideals like love or beauty or justice,
are not relevant ideas in today’s world…
but cruelty is the point…
What kind of world is that?
Is that a world we would want to live in?

Being liberal, I say no… the world we should have,
does believe in love and justice and hope and peace…
values the MAGA crowd seems to hate…all of this
implies that the MAGA world wants Hobbes ‘‘State of nature’’’
where there is no government or established order…
this state is where there is a ‘‘war of all against all’’
where life is ‘‘solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short’’
that seems to be the idea state for the MAGA crowd…
where hate and anger and violence and of course, cruelty,
seems to be the ruling principles…

Where there is no joy or love or peace or justice…
just the need to be cruel to any who don’t follow
my own values…cruelty to those who don’t look
like me or pray like me or love differently than I do…
is that really the ideal state that the MAGA crowd wants?
is the point of existence really about being cruel to others?
is that the value on which we will build our society, our state?
does the MAGA crowd even have an idea of what kind
of state follows the ‘‘BBB’’ of cruelty, becomes?
Where do we go from here after we engaged in
an act of cruelty to millions of our fellow citizens?
What is next?

the MAGA crowd has no idea because the entire
act of being cruel to others seems to be the only
goal the MAGA crowd has… How are we to build
a better future given we have doomed millions of
our fellow citizens to death and the closing of
hospitals and nursing homes and starving children…
preventing old people the proper health care, to live…
is that the point? The MAGA crowd can’t answer
any of these questions because they haven’t given
it a second of thought… why should they if the
entire point is to be cruel to any who don’t share
my own views and beliefs… the MAGA crowd hates
being ‘‘WOKE’’ and why? because ‘‘WOKE’’ is about
treating others with compassion and understanding
and tolerance… values the MAGA crowd hates
because the only values they care about is hate and
cruelty and anger and violence… don’t look at their
words, look at their actions… the ‘’‘BBB’’ is proof
enough of their anti-life agenda… if you value people,
you don’t take away their health care or their ability
to feed themselves or their lives… and their
very justifications for their acts of cruelty, just furthers
their own hated of others… for that is what this comes
down to… the MAGA crowd clearly hates other people…
you aren’t being cruel and vicious to people when you love
them or value them… no, you are cruel because you
hate people… what other reason is there to be cruel
to others?

The MAGA crowd never talks about love or peace or
justice or empathy… those are values that the MAGA
crowd hates and despises and won’t have anything to do with…
if they did value love or beauty or justice or peace, they
would work toward that by passing bills that embrace those
values… but they don’t… they pass the ‘‘BBB’’ and thereby
showing us their moral values… their hated of others…
and yet, they continue to call themselves Christian…
Jesus would be, at the least, horrified by the so-
called Christians practicing hate and anger and injustice
to others… passing the ‘‘BBB’’ is a clear repudiation
of every value that Jesus preached in the bible…
the MAGA crowd stands for anti-life values…
so, what values do you stand for?
and why those values?

Kropotkin

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What’s the big deal define Evil. Evil is a human construct. Get rid of the humans you got no Evil!