I have been reading in some of these threads. I am impressed. (but then after a while you will notice that I am easily impressed.) I do not claim to be in the correct arena, nor jousting with the correct knights, but that will be quickly determined. Let me start and we will see if there is life after death.
Disclosure. I am Baha’i, according to me, but not acoording to very many others.
Disclosure. I am Christian, according to me, but not acoording to very many others. According to me, all the others follow suit.
(I could if any are interested, post an evolutional script of Robert from small town church of christ to independent nondenominational Baha’i)
In the word of God as presented in the section by Baha’u’llah, there is a tablet referred to as “The Book of the Covenant.”
(ref; alaska.net/~peace/kitabiahd.htm)
My question is particularly related to the section which begins with “O My Branches! A mighty power and supreme potency is hidden and concealed in the world of being.”
It is my understanding that this entire tablet is considered to be the will and testament of Baha’u’llah. This in itself raises more questions than I want to post so let’s start with an easy one.
I am of the opinion that this passage in this tablet refers strictly to the blood line relatives of Baha’u’llah and was not intended to apply to me (mankind in general).
If that is true then as Abdul Baha stated, the Baha’is can not be organized and thus none of the Baha’i groups has claim to authority derived from the writings of Baha’u’llah.
Stuck in the middle. Hmmm.
I would think the shackles having dropped away would tend more to becoming unstuck, lending to an end and a beginning.
(I like your selection of quotations.)
I retired from Nietzsche et. al. some time back but the second quotation reminds me of “Thus Spoke Zarathustra”.
Presently I am more interested in knowing if anyone agrees with my proposal that Baha’u’llah unlocked the shackles and set us free of religion, including Baha’ism. If so then I have some fairly well developed “now whats” to discuss.
If not, I could consult for awhile –at least until the contention starts.
Yes, that’s the reference. I understand that Zoroastrianism, along with Farsi, migrated principally to India, and that St. Doubting Thomas ended up there. Does Baha’i situate Zoroaster at all? I seem to recall it had mostly to do with managing cattle…
Anyhow, yes, thanks for your indulgence, I’ll read the text more earnestly and get back to you.
There comes a time on all ‘paths’ that all ‘ideology’, all ‘beliefs’, all ‘truths’, all ‘teachings’, the entire ‘known world’, your very ‘self’ (ego) must be (sacrificed) left behind to proceed past the ‘wall’.
Many there are who cannot relinquish such ‘wealth’ and ‘security’. They turn away, sadly, and return to the darkness of ritual and rote.
Few there are who enter, faithfully, into the ‘void’.
“To escape one’s illusions is to plunge headlong into chaos!” -Iota
Hello oughtist,
I make a distinction between the writings (revelation) of Bah’a’u’llah and those people who have decided that Baha’u’llah is a prophet, i.e. the followers of Baha’ullah, aka the Baha’i Faiths in their various forms. A very good site cataloguing those distinctive Baha’i religions is at sectsofbahais.com/allguardian.html .
Some forms of Baha’i have much to say about Zoroastra. Baha’'u’llah never mentions Zoroastra.*
Baha’u’llah does go on at length about ‘religion’, ‘faith of God,’ and other things in which He says we should associate with all religions in harmony and respect. There are many religions He does not mention, some he does. I personally think Quetzelquetl is a valid religion but not mentioned by Baha’u’llah. Also atheism I see is a religion. Materialism, the list is long and eventually covers every living person.
The various Baha’is have much to say about many religions.
I have what I think to be a complete copy of all English translations of what Baha’u’llah wrote at angelfire.com/nv/vanda/ (be sure your popup blocker is functioning.) If anyone notes a descrepency please advise with a copy of any additions.
I put it online for my own purpose. It is combersome but I like it. Anyone is welcome to use it.
So the short answer, No, Baha’u’llah does not place Zoroaster.
Hello namelesss,
The universal path leads to a wall? The river Styx? The Lote tree?
Those who want to “take it with them” forgo heaven?
I don’t think I’m getting the gist of your post.
I’ve not run across nor been able to find a “Lota” Is this St. Francis of Lota?
Perhaps ones illusions are the chaos??
“Every organism is the center of the universe.” -Robert Clifton
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