Yes…it is how we experience ‘what is.’
As dynamic interactivity…as a state of turmoil (war), flux…as constant change, measured temporally…
I said: “Substance” is a much better word for this. The world and universe is made of “substance”, we call this substance, atoms, wave, light, matter, etc.
Your “definitions”… “Existence exists, because existence”
I feel like… either you are trolling, or… you are being serious.
I’m honestly not sure which is worse.
Ha!!! indivisible, immutable things.
The atom…Fabric of existence.
Some minds cannot think beyond this point.
Mental frequencies determine how we interpret existence…energy…gas, liquid…solid matter…
A relationship between observer and observed.
The definition:
As illustrated above the standard terms “existence” and “being” form a vacuous loop of abstraction with no substantiation in concrete, real world examples.
How do the standard terms relate to typical, everyday things? With the standard terms how does one bridge the gap between abstraction and tangibility?
The definition presented resolves that issue. The definition is functional and operational; one could see a tree, touch a leaf, hear a bird, smell a flower and easily declare existence.
If anything the definition presented is more suitable for engineers and scientists as it has more practical application.
Well I appreciate that you at least tried to define it. But its still insufficient. Its still an abstract definition and it sounds more like consciousness and mixing a bunch of random things together, so the thread will go nowhere fast.
He needs the god-particle…that elusive indivisible immutable thing.
He needs substance.
You are mixing up a bunch of random concepts into the umbrella of “existence”.
These are different components that should be analyzed piece by piece.
One, substance, the big bang, why is there substance and not nothing?
Two, consciousness, why is there consciousness and not nothing?
Three, Boltzmann brains.
You are just mixing all three and saying existence, consciousness, always will be, because
" Reason is an aspect of existence involving conscious beings. Consciousness is presumably eternal and so is reason.
Existence just is. Sequence and time, like reason, are constructs concerning particulars often conflated with existence in its general sense. Attempting to apply chronological order to reason and existence struggles because reason is existence.
Existence is reason. Existence does not merely come from reason or begin because of reason. Reason is existence. That is precisely why there is no reason causing existence."
more word salad, friday night stand up comic night philosophy.
My point was I didn’t get the idea from an Abrahamic religion.
Your body is a representation in your mind.
All three stages are representations occurring in your mind. The separate self that you think you are is an illusion.
By your criteria, the steps I described are Hellenistic as the end is self realization. I am there.
True. In the paradox-free interpretation of quantum physics, upward causation is only capable of producing material waves of possibility for (nonmaterial) consciousness to choose from. Consciousness has the ultimate power, called downward causation, to create manifest reality by freely choosing among the possibilities offered. Consciousness no longer is seen as brain epiphenomenon but as the ground of being, in which all material possibilities, including body and brain, are embedded.
That’s another step on the way to discovering that you are infinitely greater.
Like beauty, dissonance is in the mind of the beholder. In musical harmony, dissonance is used to create tension and a desire for resolution. In life it is the play of Lila.
It seems you’re projecting your own experience like the movie on a blank screen. Or throwing shit into the abyss to see what sticks. Ciao
My point was I didn’t get the idea from an Abrahamic religion.
I know…but you’ve been raised in the western zeitgeist where Abrahamic tropes are part of the mindset.
Your body is a representation in your mind.
Yes, as is all existence.
A representation of what, is the question.
I say…energy.
All three stages are representations occurring in your mind. The separate self that you think you are is an illusion.
The ego, what you identify as yourself, what you imply with the term ‘I’ in “I think therefore I am”…is a part of your consciousness, which is a part of your becoming, which incudes your body.
For Abrahamics and recovering Abrahamics, like yourself, this ‘I’ is considered something other than self.
Ergo…Jaynes historical insights.
By your criteria, the steps I described are Hellenistic as the end is self realization. I am there.
Abrahamism is the appropriation and corruption of Hellenism, in most cases Platonism.
self-denial is an end only for Asiatic and Afro-Asiatic spirituality.
such as Buddhism and Judaism.
Not so for Hellenism. Asceticism, rooted in the word itself, is an exercise…a training of your subjectivity to become more objective. Not an end in itself.
Like exercising is self-induced stress, not for the sake of suffering, but as a means of becoming habituated with suffering and becoming stronger.
Th problem with this temporary detachment is that it relieves the ego from the implications and so it becomes addicted to this detachment…just like many begin to enjoy training, because do the state it place them in - an endorphin rush - what is called ‘the zone,’ and so they exercise to feel that relief from reality.
Nihilism craves this detachment…it makes it its end. An objective. An escape from the suffering of existence.
That’s another step on the way to discovering that you are infinitely greater.
you cannot become “greater than yourself”…or other than the sum of your past…just as a lifetime of nurturing cannot erase thousands of years of natural selection.
Your body, is a manifestation of this entire past.
Past made present…perceived as appearance.
Ergo, race is NOT a social construct.
This is why many try to conceal, or surgically alter their appearance…because it matters…it’s like an ID card to a mind that can correctly read the signs.
This is why we wear clothing…to conceal and fabricate a social caricature.
Like beauty, dissonance is in the mind of the beholder. In musical harmony, dissonance is used to create tension and a desire for resolution. In life it is the play of Lila.
No, dissonance, like ugliness, is NOT in the eye of the beholder.
The beholder has adapted the means to appreciate what is ordered…what is fit…what is symmetrical, and proportional…what is of a higher order.
Your perspectivism cannot save you from your appearance.
You are an open book to someone who can read the signs.
That is why I repeat…a man can know a chimpanzee more than it can ever know itself…and it can never know a man…because the inferring cannot comprehend what is superior to it, and whereas the superior can completely understand the inferior…if he knows himself, and his own primitive, primal, nature
Know Thyself.
How do we know and understand another?
Sympathy, compassion…projection of self in the others circumstances.
Second person…the first step. Subjective projections…like the kind you and your kind perform.
This is why a chimpanzee can never know a human. It has no personal experience to base his understanding.
What is the next step…third-person perspective. Divine perspective.
A proper definition of empathy.
Objectivity.
To see yourself and another, free from subjective, personal emotional corruptions…what Schopenhauer described as will-less reasoning.
empathy is not necessarily sympathy, nor antipathy…it is indifferent.
That is objectivity.
What I said about asceticism applies…once more.
Yes, as is all existence.
Abrahamism. All is Abrahamism. Jacob, son of Isaac. And Isaac begat Esau and Abraham begot Ishmael.
We are all recovering victims of Abrahamism. We cannot make objective value judgements for ourself, our opinions all determined by the constraints of dasein.
Nope…your judgement is infected by Biblical tropes…ethics…
Dasein?
Ha!!
Is that you Mary Lands?
Girl…you be crazy…
How do we know and understand another?
Sympathy, compassion…projection of self in the others circumstances.Second person…the first step. Subjective projections…like the kind you and your kind perform.
This is why a chimpanzee can never know a human. It has no personal experience to base his understanding.What is the next step…third-person perspective. Divine perspective.
A proper definition of empathy.
Objectivity.
To see yourself and another, free from subjective, personal emotional corruptions…what Schopenhauer described as will-less reasoning.
empathy is not necessarily sympathy, nor antipathy…it is indifferent.
That is objectivity.
Eight types of empathy.
Did not read it myself so I don’t expect you to.
Yet you still cannot understand LGBT and transsexualism, and probably never will.
I still can’t decide if its a political thing, or if its because your mind is physically or logically unable to understand it.
I will give a more concrete example. Just pretend for a moment that cars are conscious and have sentience. If a car thought it was ugly and wanted to change its body parts, maybe put in a new engine, you’d be going on and on about how the car is crazy and it ought to recognize that it IS its body, nothing more and nothing less, a car ought to stay in whatever body it is given.
And this is only the beginning of the problem. If you can’t fathom that then you can’t fathom the concept of soul assignment, or the problem of why souls get assigned to certain bodies instead of others. I’ve met atheists who cannot even fathom the problem, it is similar to part of the hard problem of consciousness.
So if someone is 100 years old, old and gray, ugly, and want a new body, they are crazy, freaks even, abberations of darwinian evolution and need to know their place as chimps and tow the line, accept whatever cards Nature has given 'em, if I understand you correctly.
I am always accused of not understanding…
Mamma mia!!!
A hunter empathizes with its prey…getting into its head to predict its behavior…to make the kill…
Empathy is objective understanding of another…not necessarily leading to an emotional reaction, like sympathy or antipathy.
The motive is clarity. Not emotional connection.
Your self-hatred is clear.
It clouds every aspect of your reasoning.
You are subjectivity personified.
You’ve allowed your fears, your hopes and dreams…your needs and desires, corrupt your judgements.
Projection is what they call sympathizing with another, by ‘walking n their shoes.’
Imagining yourself in their circumstances…feeling how you might feel if you were in their place.
Projecting.
This is why you can never truly understand another.
Its not the other, its yourself in his place…that you understand.
But…not even that is true…you udnerstand the other to the same degree that you understand yourself…which is minimally…superficially…in a self-serving way.
Self-Deceit is an issue.
How do I know?
You cannot even understand how you can empathize without sympathizing…and if you cannot sympathies you must antipathize…
Love them or hate them…no other option.
You use empathy as an all encompassing umbrella term, which was your first mistake. Many people make that same error.
When I said I did not read the article I sent you, what I meant was that I did not read any of it except the main titles of each sub-section. You were supposed to read the sub-section titles at least.
Was that what I was ‘supposed to do’?
All encompassing?
Ha!!!
I clearly state that empathy, sympathy and antipathy are three different ways of understanding what is other than yourself.
Let me guess…Dasein…‘right is might’…‘my way or the highway’.,…right Mary?
Define Dasein, for me.
What does circumstances mean…Sartre and Beauvoir used it…after reading Heidegger.
What does it mean, to you/
Feel free to ask ChatGTP.
Dasein means nothing to me, it was a joke about how you say everyone is Abrahamic
Everyone?
No…only those that are.
Over 2000 years of brainwashing…cannot be overcome easily..