Existence "is"

This discussion was brought up on another thread. Out of consideration to that thread I am starting it here. I will restart over and better try to explain it for those that may have not read the previous discussion.

The term existence was used when NoItAll was making a metaphysical statement. The usage of the term existence has become a pet peeve of mine because of the modern Western thinking and teachings. Through our higher mathematics and science we fall into the trap of thinking existence as a physical object. I had fallen into the same trap and I have to be careful all the time of it.

I am not denying all object, things and places are existents. I am stating it is not inclusive to those things. The way I protect myself from this pitfall is the usage of “is” and its tenses. In our common language with or without our knowledge we use “is” for this express reason all the time.

The word “is” comes from Old English between c.450-c.1100 meaning exist, to be.
“Is” the third person singular of “be.”
Be:

  1. to exist or live
  2. to take place; happen; occur
  3. to occupy a place or position
  4. to continue or remain as before
  5. to belong; attend; befall

All of these definitions encompass existence on a metaphysical level. When you look up existence in our modern dictionary it only includes those of the physical as I explained earlier. This has driven me to the position I now stand, in philosophical discussions I use the word “is.”

______ is. This tells me whatever I place in the blank is an existent. I can say “Happiness is”, “John is”, “The one eyed spaghetti monster is” or “Farting is.” All of these exist. Not only to the physical such as John exist, but so do emotions, thought and actions. Existence reaches beyond the physical world around us.

“I am.” This identifies that I exists. If I said the word “flaggunstonget,” that would mean nothing more than gibberish to you. It has no meaning or explanation. If I then say, “flaggunstonget is,” you know that is exists. You still do not know what it is but you know it is not gibberish but some form of existent. “Is’ serves this purpose in our language with or without our knowledge.

When you use the tenses of “is” you understand how time does not affect existence. Be, am, are, was, were, been and being.
Napoleon was…
Dinosaurs were…

Napoleon is an existent. You have identified that by the usage of “was.” The knowledge, not his physical form, has brought his existence into the presence through this usage. You are now speaking of him in the present as an existent. Even though he is dead, his existence is with us through knowledge. This knowledge is tied into existence. Because of this reason existence does not act in according to or with time. Time does not affect existence. The past, present and future are all encompassed in existence. Dinosaurs are just as much an existent today as they were millions of years ago, just in a different manner. The physical form may change but the existent does not. The one eyed spaghetti monster has never had a physical form but it is just as much an existent as anything else. Happiness may come and go out of your life, as it is only an emotional triggered by chemicals in your mind, but the emotional state still exists. Even as you are not feeling the emotion it still remains in existence.

Knowledge was….
Intelligence is……

Both of these are existents. Any ability, trait or characteristic is an existent. Because it is an existent it transcends time. Gravity existed long before the knowledge of its workings was known. If gravity exists then the knowledge must also exists. Abilities, traits and characteristics are only discovered or acquired.

I could continue this with as many different things you could place in the blank:
_______ is.

It is because of this reason in a philosophical discussion, especially a metaphysical one, I feel “is”, because of its roots and origins, and all that it includes is a better term than existence. It would not bother me as much if we as a Western society have not limited the usage of existence as much as we have. Since it has been limited, I feel we have progressively limited our own knowledge of existence.

Therefore existence “is.”

nothing is therefore nothing exists as an is

“Ok I will bite : if something is nothing it still is something therefore nothing is something.” -Kriswest

You have defined nothing as something (existent) because you have said, “Nothing is.” :wink:

It is even more absurd when you realize automobiles existed during the ice age and dinosaurs will exist in 2120.

Where and when did you learn these things Absurd?

Its not absurd because what was still is and what is not has always been. Cars did exist in the ice age and dinos do exist in 2120 just as nothing is and exists. nothing will always be something and something can never be nothing. all things exist even when there is nothing.

Gads! I love these discussions of paradox and existence they are too fun.
:smiley:

“Where and when did you learn these things Absurd?”

That’s the problem with being a starving artist with the hobby of studying word origins and too many days of sitting in parks and taking long walks. I started on this about 3 years ago.

“Gads! I love these discussions of paradox and existence they are too fun.”

The sad thing is I have rationally mapped out the paradox into logical order.

The knowledge of the automobile (which is an existent) was present during the ice age, because of that the automobile existed at that time. It may have been in the form of knowledge but that knowledge is still the automobiles’ existence. Therefore the automobile existed during the ice age.

Exactly and time is not linear. Humans make their time linear to grasp sanity in a physical existence and that is all.

The knowledge of the automobile is not the only thing of the automobile that existed. What exists now as an auto, existed then. What is was and what was is. The only reason we fail to know this is because, we exist in physical form. All matter is connected without time. All forms exist and never do not exist.

When did you first arrive on ILP?

:laughing: oooooh a trap, I like traps, they are fun. Good mental exercise. =D> =D> I am not on ILP or,hehehe :sunglasses: since ILP exists and has existed I am and always have been a part of ILP and will be. My sense of linear time would put me first posting about 2 yrs ago. But, that is only my sense of linear time and linear time only is used by physical bodies. Not the energy that comprises those bodies. In a round about way: I am and I am not because I am only a portion. :smiley: :smiley:

Not you silly woman; I was talking to Absurd. :stuck_out_tongue:

:laughing:

I’m going to take this to a separate topic…sorry.

I have been lurking for a week. I joined yesterday.

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=160690

I recommend reading this, since I believe existence has already been covered there. Take it or leave it at your leisure.

I am aware of the nothing argument.

I am not making that argument. If you say, “Nothing is……”

You have defined nothing as an existent. Am I saying nothing exists? Not really.

By saying, “nothing is….” You have defined nothing. Because you have defined it then it is no longer nothing it is an existent. It is the proverbial catch 22. :wink:

Alright, if you’re my superior, then you have nothing to learn from my words.

It looks like I have a lot to learn from you… 8-[

Existence is? living life to one’s potential, and fulfilling said potential, or one has not lived!

I did not mean to sound curt. I have been on other boards and that link was 15 pages. My post really was not about “nothing” and if it existed. I was trying to answer it in a manner that correspondent with the topic.

I will further discuss if you would like. From your original post I found this and in the first several pages I viewed it was not discussed.

“Nothing is a thought of something not conceived or something that will never be conceived.”

By saying nothing is, you have defined it. Ironically you defined it as “something not conceived”. Yet by that statement you have made “nothing” into something conceived. It now does not follow its own definition.

That is why the conversation about nothing and existence is a catch 22. If you discuss it then it is not nothing, it has been conceived. “Nothing” can never be discussed; if it is then it is not nothing but something. You can not prove or disprove nothing and if it exists. The proof either way fails. You prove it exists, and then it is not nothing. You prove it does not exist; you have had to make it something thus no longer nothing.

I read a lot of skirting the issue on those pages, if you have concrete ideas I want to hear them. Especially if you can prove nothing does or does not exists without defining it or conceiving it.

I see… Thank you for your response, it was enlightening.

:sunglasses:

Sorry, I must have missed something. How did automobiles exist in the ice age?

Anyway, here’s my last response from the thread we start this discussion in: