Experiences Abroad

Apparently a lot of Americans never get to see another country. Many even keep limited to their own state.
I was wondering why. Is the US so great as for its citizens to just not want to leave? Or is there another type of inertia?

Those who have set foot abroad, what were your experiences?
Could any of it compare to the home country?

Personally Im from such a small nation that it is nigh impossible to meep within its borders a life long. I love it there, but its not good enough to keep me there my whole life.

Have you ever been to the United States? I’ve been through three provinces of Canada backpacking and riding rail. That’s all.

At any rate, Americans traveling abroad is a privilege enjoyed by the mostly rich or retired.

Us poor folk don’t get to leave all that much especially when we acquire a prior felony status in a nation where everything is criminal and where people on lower incomes are targeted by the police to support our wonderful corporate prison industrial complex. If most of the world knew what kind of shit hole the United States really is they would probably tell us to shove that freedom and democracy of ours up our collective asses.

At any rate I do keep up with international news everyday and I’ve gathered it’s becoming equally shitty just about everywhere else on the planet as well. I hope this post has been helpful from one American perspective.

Ive been to the US yeah sure, numerous times and Ive set foot in 30 states.

I am well aware of the negative changes … this is why I am in Canada now which as may come as a surprise has many of the benefits of the US as they are perceived in Europe, and little of the drawbacks.

Still of course it isnt the same.

Do you have somethi g of pride about where you were born or only rancor and contempt?

I used to detest my own country for a good while and with reason.

I bet you only stuck around the international tourist areas of the United States. Most people are unfamiliar with the poverty or poor existence of the United States, an existence I know all too well. Only rancor and contempt. I hate the government and nation that I was born into. Unfortunately for me I’m stuck here for all intents and purposes. For the moment anyways.

My hate and rage also stems from within reason.

Always as a tourist never longer than 3 months. Not to say it wasnt gritty sometimes.
I guess Id rather be poor in Sweden than in the US. But I’d rather not be poor at all.

Maybe Sweden is a bad choice. Long winters, expensive alcohol. Austria is good. But good countries are not exactly littered around the globe.

I’ve been to a fair number of places abroad. Not around the world or anything, but a few places in Europe, Canada, South America and a whole bunch of various islands. I’ve also been to almost all the states. I’ve wondered before if people going from France to Spain might feel the same way I would feel going from Texas to New York or something. Like even though here it’s still the same country, the variation in the kinds of people you meet and the things you see can be pretty dramatic. I’ve always has a blast when I’ve left the country, but it’s always been for vacation and so I didn’t have anything to do except party and see the sights, which is a good feeling to have just about anywhere.

Het vergelijken van de Europeanen reizen naar verschillende Europese landen als internationaal , terwijl zeggen Amerikanen reizen niet verkeerd is. De meeste Amerikanen doen veel reizen , grotere afstanden zelfs … VS is 50 staten , elk zo groot of groter dan veel Europese landen . We zijn veel meer Etnisch divers ook, net verenigd onder dezelfde tong en het recht.
Hoeveel Nederlanders bezoeken Belurussia of Turkije? Niet veel … echter veel Amerikanen bezoek onze equivalent, Mexico.
Stop met denken van Nederland als een onafhankelijk land , maar als slechts één staat in een zeer disfunctioneel EU , en dat vergelijken met de EU en het is soeverein achterstand naar de VS … we zijn net de verre reiziger .
Je moet ook goed zijn voor je eigen domheid , misverstanden en algemene minderwaardigheid in het verkennen van de VS, en niet weten hoe neuken dom en arrogant , uw vooruitzichten over het algemeen is . Je begrijpt het niet de VS , een Nietzscheaanse nooit kan.


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Hmm, Dutch?

Goes for everybody without saying I think.

Exactly. I think it is still better to be poor in the US than in China.

Or rich in China for that matter.

Yes and no as it is one of the most progressive countries in the world
but also the one with the highest suicide rate per head of population

I personally dont think progressivism is a good thing in this day and age.
Austria is rigorously conservative. Ive come to love this. Its simply a very great appreciation of the world as it is given to them. Italy also has my trust.

Sweden? They should rename that country the gang rape hideaway.

I just heard on the news that the conservative nationalist party lost the parliamentary election in Austria recently.

It’s all relative to the nation or country but you’re right about China concerning a toxic polluted environment.

I honestly have no idea how the Chinese tolerate their own government.

Hahaha wrote:

I wonder why your circumstances are so difficult, when you are obviously a man of some substance. What is it that inhibits you from getting some sort of valuable employment. Are you on your own or do you have people who are dependent upon you? If you are on your own why is it so difficult for you to move forward, you don’t appear to have any sort of disability, but your rancour increases. Why?

I don’t think that is correct. Today, most people are aware of the deprivation experienced by many in your country.

You don’t have to answer any of this, but I have often wondered about it.

I don’t think you are Shieldmaiden. We have several versions of poverty. There is the upper class welfare, section 8 poor… who do way better than their European equivelents, but we also have a deep rural, rustic form of poverty. They are next to no jobs in these areas, not much infrastructure to speak of, some areas have nothing resembling houses. These communities inherited their poverty and ignorance. That’s what our Habitat for Humanity programs try to target… not just your well to do off, Democrat Party dependencies, but those untouched areas.

Why do they exist? A lot of these communities are a few hundred years old, make the Beverly Hillbillies look cosmopolitan. They have no education to speak of, are borderline Moorish (not the Ethnicity, the term we gave to run away slave communities in the western hemisphere), regardless of race. If they come into contact with the educational system, they leave very early on.

I live in West Virginia, in the industrialized Northern Panhandle. We very, very rarely see these people. I’ve seen men in their fourties struggle with filling out their first job applications, shocked so much information is required. They come from who the fuck knows where… good at tanning and hunting and fishing, not much else. I don’t think our postal system is aware of their communities, and our tax agencies don’t even bother (thanks for paying your taxes in deer hides you wretches, but we take cash only).

Think Crocadile Dundee, but completely isolated, illiterate, rustic, literally no clue. So just building a proper house out of wood and nails like everyone else’s ancestors did is out of the question, as their people were not taught this skill set.

Another component are people who dropped out very early in school, and are illiterate. I’ve tried to teach a handyman how to read on his lunch breaks at a old job, kept finding excuses. He was upset they only let him work outside, not inside… if you worked inside, you had to read lists and answer questions involving looking up directories or reading slips. He felt he was too old to learn, stayed outside in the brutal winter. His wife handled the finances… mildly retarded but could read.

We also have a nomadic criminal underclass. Zoots Allure is being inducted into it. They more or less become outcasts in a liberal society. Many have skill sets as Mr. Fix Its after a while, get hired out on odd jobs here or there.

We also have a really fucked up illegal immigrant problem, people in many part of the country are priced out of work wage wise, but required to account for their income and pay taxes. They end up on welfare, or worst, not on it. These people, like Goofy here (Joker) start to evolve into that first group. He might build a wall cabin, but not a real house. He can hunt, but don’t expect him to lash a like to a plow and farm on some hidden feral land. He more than likely lacks this skill set, isn’t well aware if it’s strengths and weaknesses outside a pop culture understanding. So he sits on the periphial of a monued economy.

You, Shieldmaiden, live in the most urbanized country on the planet, and it possesses a lot if economic redundancy for such people who fall. Its harder in the states because of how far flung and hard to unify these groups are, and how quick they are to slink back into the background static of nowhere.

The poor you know of from TV, do a lot better than mist nations poor, including European countries. Default, proven. Long known, acknowledged by most economists… but you gotta get onto that payroll doll in the first place. Many can’t, or don’t care to for whatever reason. In anchorage, there was a whole abandoned overgrown park inhabited by injured people who couldn’t convince their doctors to put them on workmans compensation, serious injuries, written off as frauds and fakers. 10 year life expectancy in Alaska to survive if homeless, good chance most I knew are dead now.

In Australia, you have islands to exile your illigal immigrant problems to, or send your poor off to fuck the ecosystem up somewhere. Your not more enlightened, just much smaller and problems less well known. I thank Jared Diamond for initially thinking the light on your wretched little country, allowed me to research it over the years. Makes for some pleasant retorts to your absurd nationalism.

Like I said Australia is the most Urbanized country… you have a functional illiteracy rate in the 40% - 50% in Tasmania and many parts of the mainland, we have a better rate here strangely (I don’t quite know why, it’s estimates at 80% literacy for my area, so we are doing better)
abc.net.au/local/videos/2012 … 585457.htm

Its a lot easier in the US to squirrel away on hidden “properties”, both legal and squatting, for generations, and have a live and let lone policy of non interference with them… too backwards, too much tassel, too far flung a problem. A place like Tasmania is a Tad bit more compact and mapped out, so I am stumped how your beating us… our measurements here are by Laubach Literacy, who offer training in each county… they go off demand, and compare it to statistics. Government statistics make it seem like everyone is literate. Not the case. You get whole economies of these people living fragmented in nowhere land.