explain your nihilist philosophy

Any nihilists out there? Would you mind explaining your nihilistic beliefs? I just have no clue how nihilism can be supported.

No responses :cry:

That’s okay… I’ll just post my reasons for thinking a nihilistic philosophy can’t be consistently upheld.

Nihilism is commonly understood to be “belief in nothing”. So nothing exists. I assume the nihilist thinks that all perception is an illusion and that there is no real world behind it. But then one’s perceptions would have to exist at the very least. If perceptions are not real things - that is, if mind is not a “something” - then there has to be something that at least upholds the illusion of mind. If the nihilistic approach is to deny knowledge of any kind, due to the fact that nothing is perfectibly verifiable, then at least we can say that we know that. If we don’t know that, then we don’t know nihilism either.

Well Gib, I agree a somethingness exists. My philosophy spins nihilism on its head. I think life/existince is beyond absurd, so much so that I must concede in having a belief that anything/everything is possible.

name it, name anything, and I believe it has a chance of materializing before our eyes Santa, lockness monsters, three hovering space craft that shoot fireballs.

Irrational yes, but its to be expected in “place” like this.

I’ve never understood the belief in nothing, especially when we are something right now. I believe that I exist, I just dont know the meaining of life. I have no purpose that i’m aware of. In not saying anything new here. I think its breezy today. Ignore that. This isn’t even my language. I have no real opinions of my own, because everything i conjuer up as my own concept, I have already seen or heard in some fragmented way.

What’s my point. I dont know. I dont know who I communicatiing with here. #-o

and yes, I having one of ThOSe days ouch ah me eyeballs. yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

even when you worm food, you are something!!! we give too much value to the living, breathing, walking around part.

I consider reality to be a nutral thing, when left on its own, never good or bad, not true or false, neither meaningful or meaningless.

Many so-called philosophical “nihilists” are actually objectivists. They do not have disbelief in everything, and do not say nothing is real, etc. They DO seem to abandon many subjective pleasures, though, leaving themselfs sober and empty. Not very fun, or “good”, when viewed by a self-intoxication matrix called: “Human culture”, so they are also the antinym of the majority of human culture…

I believe that objectivity cannot be grasped, and that once perceived it ceases to be objective. Also, that objectivity is perceived subjectively through the needs, not senses.

self intoxication matrix . . . love it. Consume it. Consume it good. Feed your head.

:laughing: Just plug me in and take my wallet. (sarcasm) :wink:

I’m not talkin’ about absolute objectivity.

hahaha

Wow! Look at all these responses in such short time!

Very wise. I think the “truth” and “falsity” of the world is given to it by human perception, like its “goodness” and “badness” or its “meaningfulness” and “meaninglessness”. Truth and falsehood is ultimately derived from objective and abstracted reflections of the more sensory experiences of the world. But then even there we have the human stamp - that is, you could not have sensory experiences without a sentient being. Whereas thought brands the world with “truth” and “falsehood” and emotion brands it with “good” or “bad”, sensation might be said to brand it with “existence” or “non-existence”.

It is the central function of the human mind to brand the world as “true”, “good”, “existent”, and their antagonists. The mind creates reality out of what gets streamed into it. Not even the nihilist escapes the function of his own mind - he may uphold one ultimate truth at the expense of all others - namely, that there is no truth - and then disguise that truth as a falsehood, but his mind is still making a reality along the same lines as everyone else.

I was raised as a Christian, to deny the world of appearance for an afterworld. All that I saw, all that I knew, was not the true world, it was a deception of sorts, something that should not be held in high esteem. When I broke with Christianity I was originally unable to break with it’s veiw of human existence, the one that it builds up, and then denies. So naturally, when i’ve been indoctrinated to see the material world in a certain way, and then deny it and adopt an afterworld, when I deny the afterworld I’m also going to deny denying the material world. This leads to the adoption of certain Christian conceptions of the material world, which upon reflection completely debase themselves. I.e. Good/Evil, Being/Becoming, Ego/Altruism… In so far as I was stuck seeing the world in the terms of these dichotomies, the world was going to be meaningless, and out of intellectual integrity I had to actively deny this dichotomized world.

Oddly enough, all the atheist material I read, all my atheist friends I talked too, not one of them mentioned that in denying Christianity one must also deny the mainstream conception of reality. The one offered by Christianity and then denied. So I invariably called myself a Nihilist.

When I think back to the synthesis of ideas within me, and the denial of the Christian dichotomized world I was brainwashed to accept(I didn’t even know I could question it), I question if I ever was a Nihilist. Now that I no longer posit that there should be value in the world, or that the world “should” be this way, now that all the normative judgements I applied to the Universe are gone, I cannot consider myself a Nihilist. I thought the Christian notion of existence was the only one, hence when I argued against it, I thought I was arguing against the Universe itself. I now see that I was arguing a straw man.

I don’t know what to call my skeptical view now, but Nihilism is a reaction, and I am no longer reacting.

With my understanding, Nihilism is not the belief in nothing, but having no beliefs at all. I find it attractive because there is no plausible reason to believe in anything, and beliefs are something religious people have, and those people do the worst things. Best example is war. The only reason for not being a Nilhilist is simply because, as you guys have been saying, there is. Meaning, we exist in this universe (whatever that means). No matter much I deny everything, I still think there is something there. I can never fully get to the bottom of everything.

To Nihilistic: I know what you mean about people denying the Christian faith, yet keeping alot of the customs, beliefs and morals. I think Nietszche mentions this somewhere in Twilight of the Idols.

You are confusing nihilism with Solipsism, an extreme form of idealism that holds that the world is imaginary or unreal. Heidegger obliterated the argument between idealism and realism in Being and Time. Example: Even if I maintain an Idealist/Solipsist position I will have to explain the reality or existence of my mind itself- even if the world is an illusion it is still “the world” and thus it is “real”. Realism fails on account that it finds it necessary to prove the existence of the world which is an absurdity in the first place. A nihilist could hold a solipsist position but its implied in nihilism because nihilism implies, well… nothing.

Nihilism is a nonbelief, it is the rejection of truth, meaning, or purpose.
Very few people would consider themselves nihilists and the term is typically used as an insulting accusation. Ex: Christians accuse athiests of being nihilists, Marxists accuse capitalists of being nihilists, etc…

Taking the position that “there is no truth” is reducing the meaning of truth in the first place, thus we are led down the path of deconstructionism and the reduction of language to nothing. This is the heart of nihilism.

More to come.

What do you mean by “rejection”? How does one reject something that doesn’t exist. Insofar as the person is in the framework of the Christian, he is forced to “reject” truth, meaning, purpose. However, another framework is possible, one that does not posit these things, hence one does not have to reject them. Nihilism as reaction.

No, as I understand it nihilism means no values can be based soley on beliefs.

In other words, beliefs do not exist, not a “belief in nothing.”

If you mean strict hedonistic nihilism as a license to permit anything, then… whatever. That is useless.