Extent of nature's utility of information?

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Extent of nature’s utility of information?

We can see how nature uses patterns ~ maths, in the fibonacci sequence and in the third party as quake aftershocks. A question arises as to what extent nature uses maths; there are insects with 13 year life cycles/hibernation, developed such that the sheer mass of insects born after that period will be to many for all the predators to eat at once. Now I could envision that those insects and also butterflies go through a set of evolutionary changes such to exist in their current form, and to act by the cycles they do. But what if instead nature is using maths/patterns to make things happen instead?

Nature could find a greater utility in arriving at complex forms of the simple, like butterflies from caterpillars and insects with unusually long hibernation, if it bypassed the ad hoc, and used patterns instead?

Could it be that genes occurred by maths and not randomly? Why would nature use randomness where it can instead find a simple pattern to achieve its end. Why does nature want butterflies and not caterpillars? Could it be that rather than survival of the fittest and generally expecting nature to be what it is by accident, that instead nature is using maths to manifest the balance we see? Indeed how far does it go; if chromosomes, the double helix and butterflies are arrived at with greater expediency via pattern utility, are mine and your genes and some behaviour patterns encoded by nature. Is it writing the story or setting the stage?

It is perhaps easy to sell nature short and resort to simplistic perceptions of nature [evolution]. For aeons people have wondered at the mystery of the world, we have thought it to be gods and spirits, then we thought it was all mechanistic. Yet if nature isn’t being driven by what we would call the instincts [info patterns as opposed to evolutionary drives], it would be short-sighted of us to then apply the respective ethics of ‘nature’ to human ethics and morals!

If nature isn’t driven by chaos, then neither are we!

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Because caterpillars with wings would look ridiculous.

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Well they wouldn’t be that different, and nature probably doesn’t care if something looks ridiculous.
The point here being that nature is also operating at the informational level, like on your Tv or monitor, there is the info of one image [or world in natures case], then a blank screen, then the next image. So the question arises as to if nature is going by the maths ~ utilising patterns to find solutions, as well as ‘on the ground’ where life is finding solutions.

Nature did arrive at chromosomes RNA DNA and what have you, it ‘found’ the double helix as the most expedient structure to enable the patterns in real terms. It did not go through a thousand different potential mechanisms, it just jumped to life and before that there was no life. Clearly nature is doing maths and is not random generating.

nature is not purely or perhaps et al organic.

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Our consciousness exists, in the way it does because it does, we cannot be sentient of a universe that cannot generate RNA or complexity, because complexity is needed for consciousness. Mathematics is not the prime agent, but simply the fact that consciousness simply exists because it does, and without it there would be no complexity.

^this statement may be true or false, complexity may not be needed for consciousness.

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Right, simpler life-forms may also be conscious ~ ergo mathematics may indeed be the prime agent. It is probably so that nature uses maths and life-forms to comprise outcomes collectively, as opposed to not using maths and only using macroscopic information. Kinda makes sense that nature would make utility of both macroscopic and any other [math/patterns] info it has at its disposal, imho?

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There is absolutely an amazing intelligence that all life forms possess. It is an intelligence that is beyond what the mental power of any mind can attain. Those in the field of human anatomical composition, doctors of medicine, etc., can teach you about the functions that are programmed into the body. That pre-programming is a natural condition at birth. The intellect with all its acquired knowledge and theories can never touch the character, force and cleverness of the living creature and the intelligent programming that nature has implanted into it.

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But that’s what we literally do, touch it, be it, feel it. We are the biological machine and as with any machine we make utility of the things the machine can do. With manmade machine that is limited, with the human machine, there are areas where its unlimited and where there are limits. However, I cannot think of many things which cannot potentially be achieved.

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Your essentially asking why metamorphosis occur in nature, when any given shape and survival method at it’s various stages is sufficient, taking Occam’s Razor, while taking note some life, say a Cicada, has adapted to random hibernation cycles for it’s Broods so Predators can’t easily expand their populations in anticipation to hunt them. Your looking for a mathematical law?

I can give you a portion of it, worked out part in Iraq. I was stationed in Alaska when deployed to Iraq, and noticed Iraq’s cooler temperatures was very similar to Alaska’s warmer weather, yet both had seasons. In Alaska, life explodes around May to September. Under similar conditions, it goes into hibernation and dies in Iraq during it’s winter. Was very stumping to me.

This is from the inverse square law… but the graphic works similar here…

Lets say we know all life is of linear progress, with a shared point (let’s just assume so) some few billion years back, at point S.

We are all cellular life, be it single or multi cellular life, so have a minimum and maximum theoretical size for single and multi cellular formations. A cell too large (like in Star trek that sometimes trapped starships) isn’t going to work on a gravity bound world… it will flatten and explode, organelles never meet up, don’t even get me started on cell division. Same with our multi cellular sizes… eventually your going to get to a size where you become like the giant reolucator blob from Stargate Atlantis, and the forces of nature in mass make it impossible to operate and sustain cells. You can have a ocean full of plankton, but you can’t have a cell the size of the ocean… tidal forces would rip that up. So there is a limitation on size.

If there is a set of limitations, then we can suppose there is a Goldilocks Zone, even more than one, in this graphic called A. A particular life form thrives best here.

R gave birth to the formation of A, everything that was A is in R. Early Homo Sapiens in Africa, flaking Flint and hunting elephants, living in caves is R. Modern Civilization is 3R, and no one uses A that much, we’ve adapted to metamorphosis… we have different technology and social function cultures for different stages of life. A is but a minor subset of options, a ancestral form everyone knows of, hums in the background, we sorta partake in, but not really.

A reformation would be a reset to a single square like R, ideally A, but rarely is. The Protestant Reformation in Europe didn’t return Christianity back to simpler Christian roots, it got rid of Christianity, and forced Northern Europe to embrace a new, simpler Post-Christian religion. It fits the diagram above… the older Catholicism still has A, Protestantism does not (say, Apostolic Succession). However, Catholicism still has that trait that gave birth to Catholicism in it, and so is related in ways other than mere historicality, it shares some of these ‘new’ genetic traits.

I think more or less, the capacity of cellular proteins favor mutations… whatever mutations that doesn’t kill it, in replication. The vast reservoir of mutations that make a species, that make a genus, evolve form to match these Goldilocks Zones of Plenty… a species evolves to adapt to ecology. Its really hard for random mutation to eradicate genes built in to play conservative… Iraq borders The Zargos Mountains, swamps change to deserts a lot there, niches pop up… life gets trapped, expand, trapped, expands. Yes… it can grow in a lush, hot river valley, but all life in Iraq MUST specialize in the distant Zargos ecosystem. You see mutations… some plants sprouting early, but not much.

I suppose if you knew the right ecological triggers, you could convince a plant it was it’s spring. My theory is, you can farm above the Arctic Circle… definitely enough sunlight and temperatures in the summer, but how does a plant know it’s winter? Does it really gave a biological click, or is it responsive?

My idea is, if you dig a warehouse size plot in the thermofrost, board over it in the winter, pile on snow, it will never drop below Freezing. Every few seconds, shoot out a light half a second long, simulating intense sunlight. How much, I dunno… needs tested. I think you can maintain a lot of foods on live plants this way… growth will be retarded… but the plant won’t know the time difference. It will then sluggish, colder, but won’t freeze (minimal use of a occasional heater, will keep the place warm).

I would love nothing better than go to Deer Run, or Barrow Alaska and try it. The goal is to trick the plant into thinking, still at it’s height, it is at it’s Goldilocks Zone, and go through the motions of growth and fruit production, despite it’s actual metabolism going slow from cold conditions. Hypothetically, you could harvest in mid January or February a otherwise impossible crop, at the rate you choose… just don’t send a Epileptic in, the flashing might give them a seizure. When the sun comes back, pop the roof off.

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We are limited to whatever accumulated knowledge, information and understanding that is available from the sphere of knowledge that is passed down to our generation. Through permutation and modification of what is given, you come up with what you call your own thinking. Yet, there is the problem of the thought: its actions are limited to its perpetuation, its continuity, its permanence. When it comes to trying to talk about, deal with, or experience the body, it cannot say anything because living thought is something dead.