[i][size=150]Ye who knows and practices the science of measure must have faith.
Ye who knows truth need none![/i]
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for some reason I like this post
Life without faith/trust would be impossible.
Everyone needs to have some kind of faith in themselves and their goals.
Faith has no certainty.
If faith were certain it would be called truth.
Once we know and practice the truth, all will be certain, equal or one.
MJA
I feel like you are just stating the obvious, but in doing so, using interesting wording, you have managed to add depth to pretty simple concepts… Over all I get annoyed when people try to say it takes faith to use and study science. Faith, without using poetic wording, is simply believing without evidence, and is therefore irrational. Science is finding answers and relying on facts gathered and criticized by other researchers.
Perhaps the fundamental difference in people regarding faith and reason is that some put faith . . . in faith, and others put their faith in lack of faith thereof.
So you have faith in your faith. You stand for something so that you don’t fall for anything.
Or you have faith in your lack of faith. You have to reason from the first square, including the fact that you eventually need to assert that you don’t have the intelligence to reason everything and you may have to trust doctrines and authorities that boil down the system of belief for you.
By outcome, we’re all similarly stubborn. We simply have to moderately agree.
existing in this universe requires faith. however the kicker is whether you want to have faith in things you can observe with your eyes or have observed with your eyes, or are you going to have faith in something that is unseeable or has never been seen?
faith in observable/measurable/testable things? or faith in non-observable/non-measurable/non-testable things?
Between the uncertain measurable theories and faiths of mankind, lies the imeasurable truth of equality; the certainty of truth that will set one or all free.
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MJA
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Truth requires no faith,faith requires no truth but simply a premise.
Certainly. But [b]wisdom[/b] requires knowldedge. Knowledge requires justified, true belief. You can believe it because it’s justified. But you still need faith in that the belief is true. It’s just a question of how much you need justified.
Wisdom is in how knowledge is used,and I prefer the term trust or confidence where often faith is used, it has to many Christian connotations.
Voltaire, “Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.”
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Voltaire, “Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.”
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Doubt is an uncertain condition, but certainty is nature’s truth.
MJA
To those of you with beliefs (new thread in religion forum)
You know it’s postings like this, accentuated for dramatic effect, that exemplify the irrational, instinctive, emotionally driven premises of all religious unthinking.
The usage of verbal acrobatics in which the appearance of something being said, if studied closely, hides circular reasoning and a self-contradicting, imprecise and dogmatic demeanor.
Well, we have an interplay between three ideas here. Faith, Knowledge, and Truth.
The problem is how do you know “Truth” without appealing to some form of mysticism or wrapping it up in some convoluted Heidegger-esque ontological argument.
Perhaps, MJA, you should write in stanzas of verse, that will make the answer more clear.
Thanks GCT,
Thought you would never ask.
Truth
Knowledge is thought
Education increases thought
Wisdom is truth
Enlightenment reduces thought
To a single simple truth
Oneness or equality
The single simple
Wisdom or
Truth
MJA
Truth, you are so often admired…
Yet are you anything more than a bloodless, dull, and impotent version of a god? Are you more than a god scrubbed clean of history and personality? Are you more than a god dehumanized, made flat, austere and (mostly) inoffensive?
Doubt is an uncertain condition, but certainty is nature’s truth.
MJA
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MJA,
Please, expand upon your insight. 
Hey GCT,
How does this strike you (if at all)?
Faith gets sustained from trust and loyalty
Knowledge gets sustained from conviction and certainty
Our intellectual difficulties are not in the world but in our relationship with the world.
We seek that which we can trust and to which we can give our loyalty. We seek subjects about which we can have conviction and certainty. Yet our trust, our loyalty, our conviction and our certainty often fall short.
We long for certainties to contend with our uncertainties. We long for trust to contend our distrust. We long for loyalties to contend with our disloyalties.
Our intentionality towards the world is a source of the difficulties that we experience with the plans that we make for the world. We have trust in our ideas about the world. We have conviction and certainty that those ideas, in the fullness of time, will get confirmed by the world. We seek a greater confirmation of our ideas.
We all trust at least one idea. Even the paranoid trusts the single idea that he can trust no other idea.