Faith

[tentative]

Hi Xunzian,

Regardless the words, I finally reduced my understanding to a rather simple structure. Both that which is faith and that which is belief come from the same wellspring. It is consonance of heart-mind. Belief is of the senses and the constructs of mind. Faith is of the heart , sometimes with mind, sometimes in spite of mind…

[liquidangel]

@Xunzian

…the trinity of Heaven-Man-Earth.

Exactly.

I won’t try to convince you that faith is the virtue central to the five virtues but I will say that when considering the exact nature of Li, which is not simply ‘rites’ it is a deep harmony with Heaven, thus appearing to be ritualistic or ‘proper’, one must consider the trinity also bringing faith into a whole new light.

@Xunzian

As always, Liquid, you’ve shed new light on this issue for me, thank you.

Your thanks belongs to the Heavens.

A

[Xunzian]

Well, if we are defining xin as harmonizing with Heaven and Earth in the symbiotic relationship that you describe, then I would agree that it would be the central virtue.

I disagree with your philology on xin, that is all.

[vfr]

@Club29

I’ve always heard people claiming to say “you’re just using blind faith”

When is faith not blind? Isn’t faith believing without cold hard evidence? So even though you may have some good evidence, it’s not concrete, so it’s faith.

So faith is basically always blind isn’t it? Why then do people accuse others of having ‘blind’ faith then?

I discuss this topic in detail around the middle to end of this thread.

jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/ … topic=51.0

also see:

jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/ … opic=133.0

and

jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/ … topic=25.0

V (Male)

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