feeling sorry for oneself

Should you continue smoking cannabis even if it could effect your mental health?

Also, do you think it is cruel for people to put somebody down for smoking cannabis? Doesn’t it just make the person feel even worse?

Rami.

Peer pressure can work both ways!
I think that if you give good reasons to the person rather than insults then you may e doing them a favor.

this raises a good question about self-destructive behavior. i’ve already assumed something perhaps we shouldn’t. it also probably depends on a whole list of questions and conceptions about the self.
it’s obvious through whose eyes would see smoking weed as self-destructive… you’re mom, maybe not, the government if they suffer because you get lazy, some others. ah you know what, this would take way too long. the easy answer is probably ‘no’, thats because it was given to you… but if you’re really headstrong i have a feeling you could justify it in someways that the people who gave teh other answer will no doubt call ‘self-destructive’, but then maybe thats not for them to decide. maybe it is. if you find your’self’ in your lungs or your mind then most certainly. however, i tend to think that you find your’self’ in what you do: doing it, not what you have. you are this will and nothing besides! if you like. or if you like, ‘you are what you do’ (alan watts is pretty good to lisen to if you like wearing spandex and doing yoga).
so part of what you do is smoke weed, that makes yourself a pot head assuming you smoke a ton. but then this would make you think that nothing you do could be self-destructive since its all just a metamorphosis of your’self’. maybe you just need to reach deep and prioritize. its taken for granted that everyone who writes about the will, schopenhauer, says it operates deep below the surface passions and impulses, controlling them. so get in touch with yourself and steer it how you would. and its damn hard to rid this post of the residual duality but ignore that. be strong. don’t let people moralize on you because you might play too many video games.

perhaps this would be a good alternative, but my parents are Arab muslims, i too am an “arab” but i wouldn’t go as far as to follow their cultural traditions ec. My parents believe what is right and what is wrong is already predetermined for us by God etc. It s the worse thing to hear your father say “I don’t care, waste your life away on that shit”.

Rami.

It’s not that i do not achieve, i’m not an “A* student” but i do go college and i will be going to University in a year or so, i think the fact that i smoke weed and i get bullied for doing so, it pushes me even harder to try harder at academic studies etc. I have gotten to the point where people make me feel bad for doing something that enjoy, i would never do that to someone.

I appreciate your posts guys.

Rami.

Rami,

You know I have seen drugs make a lot of people not feel too good. Of course that is because of what I do. However, I have also known friends that I observed subtle negative changes in over the years due to weed use. This makes me sad, because I don’t like to see people degraded. I must say though that I know some weed smokers that were and still are totally alright as far as I can tell. So, it all seems like a health gamble to me and I admit that I fear using drugs. So, I stay away.

The “it is written” stuff is crap and you can decide what to do with your own life (in my opinion of course). So, I would think about if the stuff is healthy or not and if it‘s not then why do you deserve that? Sometimes I will have a cigarette just for the heck of it and not have another for months. It’s fun. Can you be like that?

Anyway, you should ask yourself why you like smoking weed. What does it do for you? If there is another way to get the feeling that does not involve mind altering chemicals then try that. I love to exercise as a stress reliever and actually get high from it. Those are some things to think about.

Also, it is likely that your father is just scared and expects a catastrophe.

So, good luck.

just an observation…

what happens in your brain when you get high?

you destroy brain cells…

pushes you harder? of course you have less brain power to work with so harder does fit…

is it beneficial?

would you expect a track athlete to intentionally break his legs just so he can work harder on being able to run?

-Imp

What’s so bad about people “making you feel bad” for doing something you enjoy, anyways? Depending on the crowds you hang out with, you could be made to feel bad for the music you like, the clothes you wear, who you choose to date, or whatever. That’s always been a part of the ballgame of life.
Now, if smoking pot is illegal wherever you are, then I especially don’t see how you can blame others for ‘making you feel bad’. If you want to committ a Federal offense for recreational purposes, then certain people ragging on you once in a while for it would be an acceptable consequence, I would think.

I’ve been reading about alcoholism lately amd found some accounts of people dealing with recovery. One of the people in the forum suggested the following to another: “…If he does not do these things, he probably will not remain sober or maybe just remain as a “dry drunk” which means he is basically the same disfunctional person without the alcohol (alcohol is only a symptom).”

I really liked this statement because I never thought of the alcohol as not being the root of the problem. But I’m of course talking about addiction. You have to ask yourself, Rami, if you’re an addict. Then ask yourself if there is something else you’re running from. If smoking pot is just something you enjoy, I think you’ll be fine… in my unprofessional opinion.

I too have seen pot burn people out, but I’ve seen others who seem fine. As with any drug- moderation is the key. Pot is no more or less evil than alcohol; one is just more socially acceptable than the other.

well this doesn’t work at all. its obviously not the sense he meant it in, which you obviously know. you have heard the expression ‘work hard play hard’. i am assuming you can see why people who do nothing but study for that A or play competitive sports or whatever the case is: drop out early, lose motivation… so on so on. allow me to speak from personal experience, there is no better motivator than guilt, eg after a night of drinking i study harder (in the sense of more and better which you know).
it sounds like rami prizes himself an underdog for the A’s by continuing to smoke… well fine. how do you think rocky won Rocky 1?

i wonder if anyone wants to argue that you can’t be a hardcore drug abuser and be a genius…?

-Imp

are you familiar with the law of diminishing marginal utility? well i made my own law… the law of diminishing marginal results in academics. it is the following: as the amount you study increases beyond an indeterminate point the quality or efficacy of your study proportionate to a time decreases inversely with the proportion of your time spent taking breaks up until another indeterminate point.

so to recapitulate, smoking weed is not like cutting off your leg before a race, its more like taking a break. maybe the confusion is one of degree…

wow. for once i agree with Ucci. i also agree with Imp.

i dont see how pot makes you feel good if you know it is physically (and mentally, which is tied in with physically) damaging your body. the “happy” feeling is superficial,fake,unreal (etc).

its one thing to eat ice cream as a treat and get fat–cos you can lose the weight you gain; its another to kill brain cells which will never be replaced and blackening your lungs(not to mention screwing up your brain chemistry). disgusting. :unamused:

every time you smoke pot, the reason you feel happy is that there is an abnormal amount of serotonin produced. when youre done, the production is stalled because you have used too much, now that you have less of it, you need to increase it again (to feel better) so you smoke pot (again). then you have used so much of it up, you need more and more. of course it isnt as intense as that, but it will be, because if this continues, imagine what happens later on(wake and bake?). you dont want to be a grandfather who smokes pot (or a dad).

alright, so if impotent agrees with this, then it is certain that the disagreement is one of degree. so this is where it ends for me. i’m choosing not to argue against your reefer madness with my own. trees, notice how your post gets religious at the end? (i say religious but other people might say moral, but not to get off topic…) “weed is no longer bad for your body but bad ‘religously’” (unless you are only saying its bad as a father because you’re older and the effects are worsened, but i don’t think you were).
so anyways, the reason i stop at your reefer madness is because originally i was talking about whether smoking weed would be self-destructive behaviour, and i said i wasn’t going to equate my’self’ with my black lungs, or i don’t become less myself by smoking that joint and having less brain cells. if however rami wills A’s above all and doesn’t get them because he smokes pot then maybe, maybe you can argue that’s self-destructive un-religiously. or maybe i’m being religious to in my own way different way.
but now i’m meandering into my second post where i argued weed was just like taking a break and that was a good thing, and you hit me with your public service announcement. well i’m not sure what to say. except that maybe both of your thongs are on too tight. i tend to think marjiuana has all kinds of positive benefits but i don’t have a science book with me, if that part has even been written yet. but yea, like i said, i can’t go there.

I would agree with that; guilt makes you work harder. Though Rocky did not win, he lasted all 12 rounds as far as i can remember. A good point!

And no, i would argue that a pot head could not also be a genius. Perhaps the guilt i feel as a result of parental bullying is not such a bad thing. :smiley:

Ok, perhaps you would argue that one would not want to drink alcohol whilst being a parent? Or perhaps not?

Rami.