More perhaps a woman needs to re-learn what it means to be a woman again …, and the rest will follow.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Pan on that one.
Fix the males, the females will follow suit. The reverse only leads to a bunch of pissed off males and females subservient to a master. The purpose of feminism is merely global domination by a select small group of males.
A passenger might be a distraction and a pest, but if the driver is insane, what difference does it make?
If women want to fix the world, they need to start ensuring the neurological health of their men.
My statement does not actually contradict Pandora’s statement, but shows the other “side” of the “coin”, and the word “more” in my sentence is rhetorically meant, thus it refers more to Pandora herself than to her statement. So there is also no actual contradiction between your and my statement, James. although the word “more” in my statement may be a bit perplexing. 
I’ll let it slide. 
The issue is as was promoted decades ago; “You cannot protect your women” (from disease/corruption of mind and body) - not in a “liberal world”. And through the women, the men are infected. But Islam can protect their women, And they do. So guess what happens next.
And this males selected themselves.
Yes and no. Their situation made an offer that they couldn’t refuse. 
… not that they shouldn’t have… 
Or they need no pushy career girl because they push themselves and are looking for other qualities to complement them.
And maybe those ‘kowtow’ women are looking for a dominant man who can offer them healthy perspectives and goals instead of lapping them up from the miserable harpies at the office.
This thoughtless ‘insecurity’ shaming reminds me of feminists telling women that they are just insecure about making careers in the 70s onwards.
Where are they lacking in confidence?
Confidence - confidere - to have full trust
It’s about shaming people, con-ning them, into accepting ideals and values which are often destructive for them.
Just because somebody is not the pushy aggressive type doesn’t mean that some kind of confidence is missing or that they don’t know what is good for them and what is not.
Sure I mostly agree with that ‘common sense’ that is not so common anymore, except perhaps that I’m not sure I’d call the ideal way a husband treats his wife as ‘respect’. It is usually connected with ‘respect to authority’, and a husband holding such respects towards a wife would dry her vagina swiftly and make her feel as he is beneath her, since that is how he behaves, meaning she would look for a better male. I’d say a man should be fair yet strict, gentle but unyielding in upholding his rules/principles and enforcing his order.
I’ve heard the idea that feminism was created by a few men for financial profit already, but I haven’t investigated whether it is true or not, yet. But I think that women began feminism, and men enabled it, some of them for their own goals other than the equality nonsense.
Challenged and pushed… for what? What do I receive for being challenged and pushed? Cost-benefit analysis.
Saying that Western women are a challenge to men is like saying a child holding a gun is a challenge to an MMA fighter. Sure, but not because of the child (woman’s) own power, but because of the power granted to them by another (gun/the collection of artifices created and maintained by men that protect and provide for women). Not sure I would call that a fair comparison, if there is such a thing at all.
That’s not to say I advocate going to poor Asian countries to pick up women, or going MGTOW and not having children at all, but I do understand where such people are coming from.
Listening to women talk about this topic is like waiting for dry paint to turn wet!
Anyways…
The argument for reproduction is part of the female blackmail structure…
Most people have sex 10,000 times per life…
And an average of 3 reproductive encounters!
That’s right ladies and gents, most sex has absolutely NOTHING to do with reproduction !
How are those panties fitting ieraellius??
The most important topic to this regard, is that even if you stop all homicide and rape and abuse… Men would commit mass suicide because of the multiple stratifications women have ALWAYS abused them with, and women would commit ZERO!!! I repeat, ZERO!!
That’s the end game, and you can’t punish women for it IN ANY WAY without being a hypocrite!!
That’s the forever and ever end game!!!
My plan is to get us out!!
Specify, do you mean sex or masturbation?
in my case, it’s masturbation
Sex, plain old sex.
If most people have sex over 9000 times, why the suicide?
Because of number of partner stratification in only males!!!
Females get 80% of their sexual VARIETY from only 1% of the male population… The stratification just on this alone is so abusive to men it makes them more depressed and suicidal…
Most men don’t have much VARIETY!!
But it goes MUCH deeper than that!
Tell me how deep does it go, traveler.
I’ve said most all of it elsewhere on this board …
I left some out, but not much, but for the purpose of this thread, what I said was enough
Far as the nice guy spheal, it’s all about the yoke. barbarians are attracted to barbarians, so… if the world is populated wit 'em do the math.
This is a logically inane post.
Logically vague, not inane. Your head simply can’t piece it together.
And what exactly will follow from this? If a woman becomes nurturing/feminine before an immature/feminine man (boy) she will end up playing a guide/protector role in the relationship and essentially assume the caretaker/mother role. Which will bring us to next question, can a ‘mother’ make a man?
Well, looks like we have just created an arbitrary submissive/dominant relationship. Which side defines which? Or is it the case of when two bottoms meet, one becomes the top? Or every bottom must be someone else’s top?
No, it’s about upholding standards. You talk about trust and confidence. So how many times can a man be allowed to fail a woman before she looses her sense of safety/vulnerability and all her confidence and trust in him as a man and provider? Of course, I am not talking about failure due to unforeseen circumstances, here, but failure due to a man’s character flaws.
I’m just saying this is how I see it. To me, such men simply choose to take their worldview and their playground elsewhere, where it is not challenged but appreciated. Where it’s easier for them to be as they are. Basically, lowering their standards to keep things as they are, or rather the illusion of it.
And what’s next? Are we going all the way down to the way of the Japanese where men marry their sex dolls because they don’t contradict them and satisfy all of his fantasies of being a “man”?
The only thing a man ought provide a woman is his penis and heart, perhaps also some good entertainment.
He is not a hired bodygaurd, hostess, butler, chauffeur, chatteur, or never ending fountain of cash. 99 percent of sex is not baby making, stop talking like it is.