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It certainly does. Don’t know about Queensland, though. Bloody rednecks. With any luck they’ll secede.

:laughing: A South australian once told me a Queenslander asked him from what part of England he hailed from :laughing:

TV or porn, same difference :astonished:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AICcabgi2DU

Seriously, this is a no brainer.

It´s obvious too much TV is bad for you, but I don´t therefore assume it´s all used for brainwashing lol

Just be careful and responsible with it, always questioning the motives.

So what in your view is left of entertainment?

But let’s be fair; there probably are some awesome Queenslanders. Poor bastards.

Well, if one decides to spend time in front of a screen, the Internet is much more interactive, isn’t it. I do catch docmentaries from the tube on googlevideo and the like. Also the singing idols :slight_smile:

I’m not sure, bt I think flat screen tvs dont emit alpha waves. All the same, it is too passive for me.

I think I/you would be surprised on how much TV is used for propaganda. It is even more effective when the propaganda is in seemingly apolitical shows (cartoons, soap operas). I must admit I havent looked into this in great detail.

Also check out the Century of the Self which is about mass conditionning through mass media.
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=158902

Other Tavistock project

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He was already discredited - apart from the Daily Mail for a brief period, the Guardian in a handful of articles and the BBC Panorama show, everything in the mainstream about Shayler is critical, cynical ad hominem nonsense. There was no obvious reason to do this.

To connect what is in all likelihood an old hippy who has taken too much acid and had a few religious experiences to him being a zionist disinfo agent is paranoid, laughable and utterly speculative. I believe in the existence of disinfo agents (we had one on this site last year who only posted on a 9/11 discussion thread), I just think the evidence here doesn’t stack up.

Bear in mind that those calling him a disinfo agent might actually be disinfo agents.

The Socratic Method is bunkum. What it actually means is ‘ask loaded questions that point towards the desired conclusion while pretending to be open-minded and objective’. I’ve seen the movie, even read parts of his book. The only thing that stands out is that he’s one of the few 9/11 Truthers who manages to think beyond the ‘either it was Al Qaeda or it was the White House’ dichotomy. I’ve said all along - the whole thing could have been done WITHOUT the political leaders knowing about it. Given what actually happened, all you needed was a senior general to ensure the planes weren’t stopped, and access to the towers to plant the explosives. Private firms and foreign intelligence agencies could have done the rest.

More attempts to discredit something by labelling it ‘conspiracy speak’. Conspiracies happen. Get over it. The press is FULL of conspiracy theories.

What ‘obvious reality’? I’ve only researched terrorism in the UK in any serious detail but it’s obvious that when a bomb goes off, some element of the state has a hand in it, and the police are perfectly willing and capable of setting up innocent people to take the fall.

This guy makes ace videos. It is mentionned that Queensland water is hardly fluoridated.

Time is a ticking…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v_Bij2tfg8

I couldn’t watch it after the opening 30 seconds was a bombardment of conspiracy theory cultural cliches about being ‘asleep’ and ‘waking up’. Christ’s sake, this is the same rhetoric they were using 30 years ago, and it was shit then.

I pray for one, just one, researcher into this who doesn’t just repeat the same crap everyone else writes about. I did think I’d found it in David Ray Griffin but it turns out he’s now been subjugated under the Loose Change banner, which I don’t trust at all.

I set a challenge for you Sven, to find me a documentary that makes no reference to brainwashing, sheep, sleeping masses, waking up, revealing or exposing the truth, or any other similarly overworn and essentially redundant phrase. I mean an independently made documentary, not one by the BBC or whoever.

To hammer the nail in the coffin? If he is already discredited, why does the national media air his new guru status, rather than just ignore him.

Lol. Having caught on to the gist of how these things work, I find your position utterly laughable (with all due respect). Imo there is no such thing as an ex MI5 or CIA agent who becomes an openly antiestablishment critic.

Yes anyone can be disinfo - be it through being an agent, financial interests, blackmail - but having listened to the iamthewitness site for a few months they are the ones I would least suspect of this. A few notable points:

*the site makes much more sense than anything else I have heard, and they have done original research (whereas the others mostly parrot what is already out there). [interestingly, a disinfo site has to be “up to par” with the most authentic/best info site; since Hufschmid and DBS caught on to zionism, all of the sudden “truth seekers” who had been around for years started speaking about that…]

*One of the rare if not the only early authentic investigator into 911, Christopher Bollyn was tasered, a trumped up trial set up, and ultimately him and his wife and kids have most likely become prisoners of the powers that be. That speaks louder than anything.

*none of the other “truth seeking” sites link up to iamthewitess, nor do they speak of the Bollyn case, which suggests that there are only a handful of authentic ones out there (whereas they all link up to each other).
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/2517#comment-10288

One cannot expect the story to be uncovered through due process, let alone peer-reviewed analysis. It would be curtains by then. I certainly am not in a position to do so, even though I have tried to verify as much as possible on the issues I look ed into most. As one can only scratch the surface of these things, one must rely on ones sense of truth (which is a frequency). I very much agree with the following:

. Even without that, it suffices to go back to the source of modern day rot, to get a bettter grasp of how the whole thing plays out.

Oh yes, some people to check out are Benjamin Freedman, Myron Fagan…

I don’t suggest to take my word for anything. In fact, iamthewitness.com team has sometimes been led down the primrose path (as I have - not on the big picture though), but the crucial point is that they have up to now held true to their (imo) authentic truth seeking stance. The best way to qualify them, imo, would be as a barometer of truth.

Yes.

The guy who made this video is someone like you and me who has caught on to the underlying lies. It is meant to bean eye opener. Most of what he says is true (as far as I have been able to judge), even if he does use clichés to start (regardless, he points in a direction, then anyone who cares to investigate futher can do so). I think he should be commended. And that may just be the right tone to adopt speaking to those who are… asleep (lol).

Actually, there doesnt seem to be that many out there.

On zionist control of the US there is Carol Valentine (whereabouts unknown today). She just has articles. This one is hihgly recommended read.
http://www.public-action.com/christmas.html

On world Illuminato-zionism, i have mentionned Freedman & Fagan. also Shahak : http://www.geocities.com/alabasters_archive/zionist_plan.html#23

On vaccines, I believe this to be an authentic independant documentary:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8610554679207090010

On the world money system:
The Money Masters: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

On the manipulation of markets by international bankers, an article with good info: http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/reality/2005/0403.html

Some would say these are not valid sources. :sunglasses: