For jonquil: Harry Neumann in his own words.

[size=95]In order to make his position clear once and for all, I post the following “note” sent by Neumann to the administration of Scripps College, where he was a teacher at the time. I post it in the precise form in which it is included in his book, Liberalism.

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[size=150][b]Chapter 33

Who Should Teach Philosophy at Scripps College?[/b][/size]

During our conversations, I did most of the talking. Heidegger’s tendency was to remain silent … From the beginning our relationship was devoid of enthusiasm. It was not grounded in the depths of our nature … He said, in a slightly angered tone, that it was foolish to have so many professors of philosophy; one should keep only two or three in the whole of Germany. ‘Which ones then?’ I inquired. No answer.
– Karl Jaspers¹

This note explains my rejection of the usual candidates to teach philosophy (or humanities) at Scripps, although – or because – they would be acceptable to most orthodox contemporary teachers of “philosophy.” I asked Jaffa to meet the candidates and to write his evaluation of them for the same reason that I asked him to teach our joint courses. I regard him as one of the very few philosophic teachers in existence today.
The candidates soon reveal the emptiness at the core of their pseudo-liberal cleverness and sophistication. They are, like most professors pseudo-liberals, liberals too cowardly to confront their nihilism. They are not philosophic! When I make statements such as this somebody usually counters with “But that just reflects your opinion or prejudice about what it means to be a scientist or a philosopher” or some such remark. I would agree with this observation, but I would add that whatever anyone believes – especially about the crucial life or death issues – always is his own prejudice. Nor do I believe that there is anything unbiased about the claim that everyone has a right to his own opinion. This claim (that everyone has such a right) is no less bigoted, unless it is not just another claim or bias, but is an objective moral absolute negating as false all contrary claims. Jaffa, with whom I have been arguing in our joint class all this term, believes in such moral absolutes (he calls them natural or divine rights). I do not.
Except for rare exceptions of intellectual honesty, moral-political life (that is, all human life) is a hot or cold war between opposing bigotries which are considered by each of the warring factions not as bigotries but as gospel truth: only the enemy is the bigot, not one’s own righteous commitment! Whether communist, democratic or nazi, apartheid or anti-apartheid, each moral-political faction perceives itself as the party of truth and its enemies as in league with the devil!
Rarely do they muster the courage to realize their own bigotry as Hess and Bukharin did. Instead they, usually without admitting it (pseudo-liberals), presuppose “gods,” permanent, non-arbitrary standards, permitting them to distinguish genuine morality from bigotry. In good conscience, they can then castigate their opponents as racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. It constitutes a considerable political victory to infiltrate the public speech with such terms (weapons) which degrade one’s opponents to enemies of genuine humanity represented, of course, by one’s own righteousness. Such terms are political weapons designed to preent one’s bigotry as a crusade on behalf of genuine tolerance, love, “diversity awareness” and other “consciousness-raising.” For the “diversity” here never includes tolerance or love for the enemies of such tolerance or love! Its pseudo-liberalism is political, a war to destroy its enemies, a war fought, of course, in the name of universal peace and justice (see the Wettergreen quotation about contemporary democratic “liberation” movements, above, Introduction).
Naturally those enemies are branded as “special interests,” elitists," bigots preventing the progress of mankind! One’s own cause never is a “special interest!” No teacher worthy of the name participates in this swindle endemic to contemporary schools. No serious teachers of philosophy regards any morality as more than bigotry!
The intellectual honesty of a Bukharin or Hess, a Beckmann or a Grammaté, is rare. It is politically insignificant, since political men refuse to see their morality as arbitrary willfulness, bigotry, a “special interest,” no better and no worse than that of their most deadly foes. Because they view their morality as truly good, they demand its political empowerment. Politics is morality legislated and enforced by military-police power. Unlike Hess and Bukharin, most grovelers do not view this enforcement as tyrannic, but as the victory of truth and justice over “special interests;” a fight to empower their morality against racist, sexist, homophobic bigots.
Only genuine liberalism, the intellectual toughness of a Hess or a Bukharin, liberates morality or politics from religion, from faith in a “god,” a permanent, non-arbitrary moral standard. Liberals despise those “fishing in the murky waters of values and universals.” Immune to illiberal and pseudo-liberal siren songs, they know that nothing legitimates their politics or morality except their willful resolve.
I mention all this because opponents of my moral or philosophic taste often tell me what I freely acknowledge without their prompting – that my views are my tastes or “values,” based on nothing but my taste. However they are unwilling to say the same of their usually pseudo-liberal claims (about everyone’s right to his own opinion or morality – the words “opinion” and “morality” mean the same).
I disagree strongly with Marcuse on crucial points. However I agree just as strongly with his contention (in Repressive Tolerance) that nobody really is tolerant; all tolerance is repressive or intolerant, depending on whose ox is being gored. For example, those who would give every man a right to his opinion generally are intolerant of men who deny that all or most men have this right. This intolerance exists in their hearts whether they admit it or not. Schools are funny, quixotic places in which the fantastically difficult effort is made by students and teachers to be really tolerant – tolerant in one’s heart and soul – of all moral bigotries (“moral” and “bigoted” mean the same thing). Since nothing goes more against the grain, this effort requires constant opposition against the teacher’s or student’s all-too-human urge to condemn opposing moralities as intolerable or immoral. The fight – and it always is a fight – against this urge is the only serious reason to be a student or teacher; the rest is academic window-dressing; pseudo-liberal sophistication. This fight, no less than the refusal to engage in it, arises from moral bias: the intellectual’s desire for academic freedom is no less bigoted than communist, democratic or nazi suppression of that freedom. It is simply the main moral bias of schools, of students and teachers (not an absolute truth, just another bias – but a bias for which real students and teachers are prepared to die, if necessary). As such it is the heart and soul of any school at any time.
A philosopher’s job in schools is to remind first himself and then if possible all students and teachers that their most cherished claims are only prejudices. I see my philosophic (not scientific or nihilist) service to Scripps mainly, if not exclusively in my opposition to the bigotries dominating Scripps (and most schools) in the last dozen years: the anti-Viet-Nam War movement, women’s liberation, homosexual liberation, black liberation. I do not oppose them as merely moral positions, that is, as personal or interpersonal biases. I have opposed the Scripps administration, faculty and students insofar as they regard them as more than mere bigotries.
This opposition has not, and was not intended to, make me popular at Scripps. For example, the day after the Kent State killings, I was the only teacher openly to oppose condemnation of the soldiers. I told the assembled mob that they must know of some natural or divine right which makes it always unjust for soldiers to shoot students (since it was only the day after the shootings and no formal inquiry had taken place. The issue is still debated). I denied the existence of such objective grounds for right and wrong. I am a scientist or nihilist, a genuine liberal, not a true believer! Similarly, there was much indignation among her allies when I asked a feminist professor at Scripps why it would be wrong to put women back in harems rather than give them equality.
I have asked – and seriously asked – these unpopular questions because the dominant elements (at Scripps) are convinced that men have a moral right – not just a bigoted claim – to be liberated from slavery, concentration camps and harems. I believe that this conviction at Scripps (and at most schools) is another example of moral conformity. In this case it is conformity to a government whose “sacred” founding document, its Declaration of Independence, clearly asserts those moral rights.
What we need at Scripps is not philosophy teachers who, at heart, share the present Scripps’ pseudo-liberal commitment to its dominant moral bigotries – that all men are created equal, that all have a right to their life, liberty, and opinions, etc. I believe this conviction is basically nihilist since it is not grounded in an objective divine or natural right – in a right not subject to change by human freedom or creativity. Such claims are, I believe grounded in nothing but the will or whim of the man claiming them – hence atheism or nihilism. (I know I said “man” as I have used “man” or “his” throughout this note. This seems to me proper philosophic usage in “schools” such as Scripps devoted to women’s equality. It would be philosophically improper in schools devoted to harems for women.)
Because I am a nihilist or realist (I prefer “realist,” if realism means liberal rejection of things which do not really exist – things such as rights to life or freedom as distinct from prejudices in favor or life or freedom), I like to test my arguments against consistent anti-nihilists or anti-realists. That is why I am teaching the joint courses with Jaffa. Some people have gotten the wrong idea about these courses. We do not teach them because we share conservative leanings. The crucial issue is that I see these leanings as tastes or prejudices and nothing more, while Jaffa believes that they are based on an objective, natural standard of justice.
Jaffa is more consistent than those who seek to justify their liberal (nihilist) leanings by loudly shouting that all men are entitled to their life, liberty and opinions. He realizes that the claim to universal human equality denies that all men are entitled to their opinion – insofar as an opinion denies that all men are equal. As Marcuse rightly noted, all tolerance is repressive. Thus Jaffa believes that the only valid opinions are those grounded in what he calls natural right. His liberal conservatism (not mine) is sparked by the contention that “nature and nature’s god” entitle all men equally to the right to live and to be free. However he agrees with me that rejection of any natural or divine order results in nihilism. [Hence our course. Socrates (Jaffa) or Nihilism (Neumann)?.]
Now what I suggest about hiring a philosopher is this: Scripps needs someone like Jaffa – a consistent moral absolutist (philosopher) or, as I call him, an anti-realist. Like most teachers (including practically all contemporary professional “philosophers”), the Scripps faculty usually are pseudo-liberals, inconsistent nihilists or realists – while I am a liberal, a consistent realist (scientist) or nihilist (as I said I see it as my academic duty to try to regard this nihilism as just another bias). Unlike Jaffa, most at Scripps reject any sort of divine or natural objective basis for their liberalism which consequently is nihilist, grounded in nothing but their own bias or whim.
We should try to balance Scripps’ nihilism (pseudo-liberalism) with a consistent anti-nihilist (philosopher), a Jaffa or, since he already has a job, one of his most thoughtful students. We at Scripps need someone like Jaffa desperately to balance my consistent, and my enemies’ inconsistent or unconscious, nihilist biases. Precisely because pseudo-liberal feminist and homosexual rights candidates are so attractive to the dominant faction at Scripps, they should be rejected. If men want to be liberal, really “liberated,” they must liberate themselves from the pseudo-liberal cowardice obfuscating their nihilism. Nothing goes more against the grain!
I am under no illusions about the fate of this recommendation. The dominant elements in the Scripps administration and faculty will reject it! Their pseudo-liberalism, panders to the universal cowardice responsible for transformation of education into “consciousness raising.” Like philosophy itself, schools are desperate, impossible enterprises easily degraded into propaganda institutes for their most cherished prejudices. My recommendation was meant to prevent this transformation at Scripps, as if indeed it still could have been prevented! To be sure, in reality’s nihilism, anything is possible. But I realize that success in this effort is as impossible as a liberally educated Singleton (above, end of Bloom review). As Strauss wisely observed, political legitimation of philosophy, of free inquiry, is detrimental to philosophy’s health (above, end of appendix to Bloom review). Nothing contributes more to this disease than the contemporary higher education responsible for Nietzsche’s utopian dream: "I would drive out of my ideal state the so called ‘educated’ just as Plato drove out the poets; this is my terrorism!"²

  1. “Philosophical Autobiography,” The Philosophy of Karl Jaspers, Second Edition (La Salle, 1981) pp. 75 (5, 8-9).
  2. Nietzsche, Kritische Gesammtausgabe, edited by Colli and Montinari, (Berlin, 1967 ff.) III3, p. 172.

OK, just another good example of how the philosophical insane asylum started by Nietzsche is being run by the inmates. The last person I would trust to tell me what philosophy should be taught by whom is an ideological crackpot like Neumann. Your snippet of Chapter 33 is a great example of exactly what I’ve been talking about, how crazed neocon and neonazi thinking pollutes political discourse with bizarre fun-house mirror Orwellian language presented in that special extreme religious emotionalism so reminiscent of our modern day Savonarolas and neo-Nietzscheans.

It’s not a snippet, I typed it out in full. An effort evidently wasted on you. Did you actually read it? My point is not his recommendation, nor do I wholly agree with him, but he does state explicitly where he stands.

I think you’re rather with Jaffa than with him. After all, I think you do appeal to moral absolutes. You are therefore no liberal, not even a pseudo-liberal, but an actual illiberal. Congratulations! For that is at least consistent

Your ‘frustration’ is palpable.

That’s a bit of parsing that won’t wash since it’s just one chapter in a long book. I appreciate your typing it out, and I did read it in full. You know how I found it, full of that special kind of crazed emotional bullying based on a feeling of victimization and righteousness that feels a need to redefne terms and revise history in order to fulfill a fanatical destiny. Every time I read something like that, I feel as though I need to take a mental bath to wash out the sinister idiocy. And this is the kind of thing that gets exploited by the truly batshit crazy idiots here in this country who have taken over the media and much of what passes for political discourse, and they march in goosestep fashion once they gain power and that is truly amazing and scary.

[size=95]I will post the chapter again, this time making parts I deem especially important bold, to make it easier for jonquil.

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[size=150][b]Chapter 33

Who Should Teach Philosophy at Scripps College?[/b][/size]

During our conversations, I did most of the talking. Heidegger’s tendency was to remain silent … From the beginning our relationship was devoid of enthusiasm. It was not grounded in the depths of our nature … He said, in a slightly angered tone, that it was foolish to have so many professors of philosophy; one should keep only two or three in the whole of Germany. ‘Which ones then?’ I inquired. No answer.
– Karl Jaspers¹

This note explains my rejection of the usual candidates to teach philosophy (or humanities) at Scripps, although – or because – they would be acceptable to most orthodox contemporary teachers of “philosophy.” I asked Jaffa to meet the candidates and to write his evaluation of them for the same reason that I asked him to teach our joint courses. I regard him as one of the very few philosophic teachers in existence today.
The candidates soon reveal the emptiness at the core of their pseudo-liberal cleverness and sophistication. They are, like most professors pseudo-liberals, liberals too cowardly to confront their nihilism. They are not philosophic! When I make statements such as this somebody usually counters with “But that just reflects your opinion or prejudice about what it means to be a scientist or a philosopher” or some such remark. I would agree with this observation, but I would add that whatever anyone believes – especially about the crucial life or death issues – always is his own prejudice. Nor do I believe that there is anything unbiased about the claim that everyone has a right to his own opinion. This claim (that everyone has such a right) is no less bigoted, unless it is not just another claim or bias, but is an objective moral absolute negating as false all contrary claims. Jaffa, with whom I have been arguing in our joint class all this term, believes in such moral absolutes (he calls them natural or divine rights). I do not.
Except for rare exceptions of intellectual honesty, moral-political life (that is, all human life) is a hot or cold war between opposing bigotries which are considered by each of the warring factions not as bigotries but as gospel truth: only the enemy is the bigot, not one’s own righteous commitment! Whether communist, democratic or nazi, apartheid or anti-apartheid, each moral-political faction perceives itself as the party of truth and its enemies as in league with the devil!
Rarely do they muster the courage to realize their own bigotry as Hess and Bukharin did. Instead they, usually without admitting it (pseudo-liberals), presuppose “gods,” permanent, non-arbitrary standards, permitting them to distinguish genuine morality from bigotry. In good conscience, they can then castigate their opponents as racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. It constitutes a considerable political victory to infiltrate the public speech with such terms (weapons) which degrade one’s opponents to enemies of genuine humanity represented, of course, by one’s own righteousness. Such terms are political weapons designed to preent one’s bigotry as a crusade on behalf of genuine tolerance, love, “diversity awareness” and other “consciousness-raising.” For the “diversity” here never includes tolerance or love for the enemies of such tolerance or love! Its pseudo-liberalism is political, a war to destroy its enemies, a war fought, of course, in the name of universal peace and justice (see the Wettergreen quotation about contemporary democratic “liberation” movements, above, Introduction).
Naturally those enemies are branded as “special interests,” elitists," bigots preventing the progress of mankind! One’s own cause never is a “special interest!” No teacher worthy of the name participates in this swindle endemic to contemporary schools. No serious teacher of philosophy regards any morality as more than bigotry!
The intellectual honesty of a Bukharin or Hess, a Beckmann or a Grammaté, is rare. It is politically insignificant, since political men refuse to see their morality as arbitrary willfulness, bigotry, a “special interest,” no better and no worse than that of their most deadly foes. Because they view their morality as truly good, they demand its political empowerment. Politics is morality legislated and enforced by military-police power. Unlike Hess and Bukharin, most grovelers do not view this enforcement as tyrannic, but as the victory of truth and justice over “special interests;” a fight to empower their morality against racist, sexist, homophobic bigots.
Only genuine liberalism, the intellectual toughness of a Hess or a Bukharin, liberates morality or politics from religion, from faith in a “god,” a permanent, non-arbitrary moral standard. Liberals despise those “fishing in the murky waters of values and universals.” Immune to illiberal and pseudo-liberal siren songs, they know that nothing legitimates their politics or morality except their willful resolve.
I mention all this because opponents of my moral or philosophic taste often tell me what I freely acknowledge without their prompting – that my views are my tastes or “values,” based on nothing but my taste. However they are unwilling to say the same of their usually pseudo-liberal claims (about everyone’s right to his own opinion or morality – the words “opinion” and “morality” mean the same).
I disagree strongly with Marcuse on crucial points. However I agree just as strongly with his contention (in Repressive Tolerance) that nobody really is tolerant; all tolerance is repressive or intolerant, depending on whose ox is being gored. For example, those who would give every man a right to his opinion generally are intolerant of men who deny that all or most men have this right. This intolerance exists in their hearts whether they admit it or not. Schools are funny, quixotic places in which the fantastically difficult effort is made by students and teachers to be really tolerant – tolerant in one’s heart and soul – of all moral bigotries (“moral” and “bigoted” mean the same thing). Since nothing goes more against the grain, this effort requires constant opposition against the teacher’s or student’s all-too-human urge to condemn opposing moralities as intolerable or immoral. The fight – and it always is a fight – against this urge is the only serious reason to be a student or teacher; the rest is academic window-dressing; pseudo-liberal sophistication. This fight, no less than the refusal to engage in it, arises from moral bias: the intellectual’s desire for academic freedom is no less bigoted than communist, democratic or nazi suppression of that freedom. It is simply the main moral bias of schools, of students and teachers (not an absolute truth, just another bias – but a bias for which real students and teachers are prepared to die, if necessary). As such it is the heart and soul of any school at any time.
A philosopher’s job in schools is to remind first himself and then if possible all students and teachers that their most cherished claims are only prejudices. I see my philosophic (not scientific or nihilist) service to Scripps mainly, if not exclusively in my opposition to the bigotries dominating Scripps (and most schools) in the last dozen years: the anti-Viet-Nam War movement, women’s liberation, homosexual liberation, black liberation. I do not oppose them as merely moral positions, that is, as personal or interpersonal biases. I have opposed the Scripps administration, faculty and students insofar as they regard them as more than mere bigotries.
This opposition has not, and was not intended to, make me popular at Scripps. For example, the day after the Kent State killings, I was the only teacher openly to oppose condemnation of the soldiers. I told the assembled mob that they must know of some natural or divine right which makes it always unjust for soldiers to shoot students (since it was only the day after the shootings and no formal inquiry had taken place. The issue is still debated). I denied the existence of such objective grounds for right and wrong. I am a scientist or nihilist, a genuine liberal, not a true believer! Similarly, there was much indignation among her allies when I asked a feminist professor at Scripps why it would be wrong to put women back in harems rather than give them equality.
I have asked – and seriously asked – these unpopular questions because the dominant elements (at Scripps) are convinced that men have a moral right – not just a bigoted claim – to be liberated from slavery, concentration camps and harems. I believe that this conviction at Scripps (and at most schools) is another example of moral conformity.
In this case it is conformity to a government whose “sacred” founding document, its Declaration of Independence, clearly asserts those moral rights.
What we need at Scripps is not philosophy teachers who, at heart, share the present Scripps’ pseudo-liberal commitment to its dominant moral bigotries – that all men are created equal, that all have a right to their life, liberty, and opinions, etc. I believe this conviction is basically nihilist since it is not grounded in an objective divine or natural right – in a right not subject to change by human freedom or creativity. Such claims are, I believe grounded in nothing but the will or whim of the man claiming them – hence atheism or nihilism. (I know I said “man” as I have used “man” or “his” throughout this note. This seems to me proper philosophic usage in “schools” such as Scripps devoted to women’s equality. It would be philosophically improper in schools devoted to harems for women.)
Because I am a nihilist or realist (I prefer “realist,” if realism means liberal rejection of things which do not really exist – things such as rights to life or freedom as distinct from prejudices in favor or life or freedom), I like to test my arguments against consistent anti-nihilists or anti-realists. That is why I am teaching the joint courses with Jaffa. Some people have gotten the wrong idea about these courses. We do not teach them because we share conservative leanings. The crucial issue is that I see these leanings as tastes or prejudices and nothing more, while Jaffa believes that they are based on an objective, natural standard of justice.

Jaffa is more consistent than those who seek to justify their liberal (nihilist) leanings by loudly shouting that all men are entitled to their life, liberty and opinions. He realizes that the claim to universal human equality denies that all men are entitled to their opinion – insofar as an opinion denies that all men are equal. As Marcuse rightly noted, all tolerance is repressive. Thus Jaffa believes that the only valid opinions are those grounded in what he calls natural right. His liberal conservatism (not mine) is sparked by the contention that “nature and nature’s god” entitle all men equally to the right to live and to be free. However he agrees with me that rejection of any natural or divine order results in nihilism. [Hence our course. Socrates (Jaffa) or Nihilism (Neumann)?.]
Now what I suggest about hiring a philosopher is this: Scripps needs someone like Jaffa – a consistent moral absolutist (philosopher) or, as I call him, an anti-realist. Like most teachers (including practically all contemporary professional “philosophers”), the Scripps faculty usually are pseudo-liberals, inconsistent nihilists or realists – while I am a liberal, a consistent realist (scientist) or nihilist (as I said I see it as my academic duty to try to regard this nihilism as just another bias). Unlike Jaffa, most at Scripps reject any sort of divine or natural objective basis for their liberalism which consequently is nihilist, grounded in nothing but their own bias or whim.
We should try to balance Scripps’ nihilism (pseudo-liberalism) with a consistent anti-nihilist (philosopher), a Jaffa or, since he already has a job, one of his most thoughtful students. We at Scripps need someone like Jaffa desperately to balance my consistent, and my enemies’ inconsistent or unconscious, nihilist biases. Precisely because pseudo-liberal feminist and homosexual rights candidates are so attractive to the dominant faction at Scripps, they should be rejected. If men want to be liberal, really “liberated,” they must liberate themselves from the pseudo-liberal cowardice obfuscating their nihilism. Nothing goes more against the grain!
I am under no illusions about the fate of this recommendation. The dominant elements in the Scripps administration and faculty will reject it! Their pseudo-liberalism, panders to the universal cowardice responsible for transformation of education into “consciousness raising.” Like philosophy itself, schools are desperate, impossible enterprises easily degraded into propaganda institutes for their most cherished prejudices. My recommendation was meant to prevent this transformation at Scripps, as if indeed it still could have been prevented! To be sure, in reality’s nihilism, anything is possible. But I realize that success in this effort is as impossible as a liberally educated Singleton (above, end of Bloom review). As Strauss wisely observed, political legitimation of philosophy, of free inquiry, is detrimental to philosophy’s health (above, end of appendix to Bloom review). Nothing contributes more to this disease than the contemporary higher education responsible for Nietzsche’s utopian dream: "I would drive out of my ideal state the so called ‘educated’ just as Plato drove out the poets; this is my terrorism!"²

  1. “Philosophical Autobiography,” The Philosophy of Karl Jaspers, Second Edition (La Salle, 1981) pp. 75 (5, 8-9).
  2. Nietzsche, Kritische Gesammtausgabe, edited by Colli and Montinari, (Berlin, 1967 ff.) III3, p. 172.

This passage is crucial:

[size=95](I know I said “man” as I have used “man” or “his” throughout this note. This seems to me proper philosophic usage in “schools” such as Scripps devoted to women’s equality. It would be philosophically improper in schools devoted to harems for women.)[/size]

It’s an essay that stands by itself, as are all the book’s “chapters”. The book is a compilation of mostly essays by Neumann, some essays by others that criticise him, and one by Jaffa in paradoxical praise of him.

Two typical posts by jonquil:

I guess now I should just list some of the bolded words and phrases and let them speak for themselves: pseudo-liberals; prejudice; bigotry; liberates morality or politics from religion ;despise those “fishing in the murky waters of values and universals.” Immune to illiberal and pseudo-liberal siren songs, they know that nothing legitimates their politics or morality except their willful resolve; the fantastically difficult effort is made by students and teachers to be really tolerant – tolerant in one’s heart and soul – of all moral bigotries (“moral” and “bigoted” mean the same thing); my opposition to the bigotries dominating Scripps (and most schools) in the last dozen years: the anti-Viet-Nam War movement, women’s liberation, homosexual liberation, black liberation; I told the assembled mob that they must know of some natural or divine right which makes it always unjust for soldiers to shoot students; (starting to mentally puke here) – I asked a feminist professor at Scripps why it would be wrong to put women back in harems rather than give them equality.
I have asked – and seriously asked – these unpopular questions because the dominant elements (at Scripps) are convinced that men have a moral right – not just a bigoted claim – to be liberated from slavery, concentration camps and harems. I believe that this conviction at Scripps (and at most schools) is another example of moral conformity (truly sick) –

And he actually thinks that the principles of life, liberty, equality, and freedom of speech are pseudo-liberal commitments unworthy of philosophy teachers.

This guy is truly sick. His rhetoric is contaminated with inflammatory rightwing bigotry that he is desperate to project on the liberal left but can’t bring himself to even legitimize that left even as he projects his garbage onto it.

Sad.

p.s. – This is so weird that you should type out a long passage of Neumann this very day because I was at the same time thinking about typing out long passages from David Bohm and addressing the post to you in the same manner. I’ll wait a while to do that now so that you get a chance to completely air your views on Neumann and Strauss and allow them complete exposure in the light of day, as it were.

Of these words, “pseudo-liberals” is the only one Neumann does not also apply to himself.

What do you suggest this phrase says when it ‘speaks for itself’?

This Heidegger-quote also applies to Neumann himself: see what he says about his values in the next paragraph, and about the “main moral bias” of students and teachers in the paragraph after that one.

Yes, or they think they know that. This is indeed an example of one of Neumann’s own bigotries—something he would surely be the first to acknowledge. What would be more accurate would be to say “they know they do not know whether anything legitimates their politics or morality except their willful resolve”.

Why—do you claim to know of such a natural or divine right? Or—I ask this in the light of another recent discussion we had—do you believe such claims by others? By self-proclaimed ‘mystics’, perhaps?..

What’s sick about that, according to you?

Well, those principles have no ground, as far as we know. Or do you believe that all human beings were “endowed” with those rights by their “Creator” (“The Declaration of Independence”)?

No, he’s just rational.

As he said, that is only because the ‘liberal’ left was the dominant element in higher education at the time. His rhetoric would be contaminated with inflammatory leftwing bigotry (such as yours) in “schools devoted to harems for women”, for instance. Neumann is beyond left and right.

Sauwelios, that you are defending the likes of Neumann speaks volumes. It operates on the same dynamic as someone who would defend a child abuser or slave driver by trying to make them look like something they aren’t, meaning attempting to make the abused children or the slaves see their oppressors as just like themselves in some kind of human way when nothing could be further from the truth. This is a typical tactic of conservative righties who try to project certain aspects of the left onto themselves, like when Sarah Palin calls herself a maverick or a rogue or a feminist when she is actually just the opposite.

There is no way on God’s green earth that Harry Neumann is anything other than a manipulative, disingenuous bully projecting a lot of his own craziness on the left and trying to assume some of the left’s appeal by co-opting it for the right in a very bizarre way while at the same time preserving the right’s inhuman oppressive attitudes towards targeted groups like women, minorities, homosexuals, and workers. What I call the scary part is that these tactics have been assumed by the mainstream media which is primarily rightwing and hatetalk. That’s all that gets public traction in what passes for political discourse these days, thanks to folks like Rupert Murdoch and Cleartalk Radio, exacerbated by the demise of the Fairness in Media act in the mid nineties… except that it’s popularized, dumbed down, and repeated ad infinitum.

I don’t know Neuman, jonqil or Scrips. Perhaps you could give a long, thorough, detailed description of who they are, what country they come from, what their business is, and why you think they might be important to me.

Why would a child abuser or slave driver need defending? Likewise, I need not defend Neumann; I just want him to be presented correctly.

Ah, so you do believe in a god? Is he the one who has endowed human beings with the rights (“principles”) you mentioned, according to you?

Perhaps you could first give a long, thorough, detailed description of why you think that might be important to me.

“Either all of it is important, or none of it is.”

Neumann is bang on the money. Regardless of what moral position one holds, it’s nothing more than subjective prejudices dressed up in pretty words like ‘justice’ and ‘self-evident’ and the like. The only thing that separates Neumann is his honesty that he too is a bigot. Those who preach justice and good, like one particular person here, are really after power. If they can’t convert their enemy to their cause then they want to make them pay; they want them to be shamed, ridiculed, and guilt ridden.

The problem with politics getting involved in philosophy (particularly in a Manichaean system like the US) is that any constructive dialogue is quickly lost in us-and-them objectification and stereotyping. It seems he provides a useful service to his opponents by at least articulating his criticisms.

Related, interesting article:
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If his criticisms were actually rational and based on truth and history as it actually happened, then you might have a point. But they’re not. I’ve already explained how his psyche and rhetoric operates. He projects rightwing ideas and labels on the left, and then co-opts for the right certain appealing ideas and labels from the left just for show while still promoting all the hates and phobias of the right. This is a dynamic operating across the board in the extreme rightwing here in America. It’s evident in all the rightwing celebrities created by the media and foisted upon us daily. Bush43 did it, Palin does it, all the hatetalk media folks at Fox News do it, Limbaugh and Beck do it, and so many others. An example with Bush was the way he framed his regressive environmental policies to try to look progressive, say for example the Clean Air Act or Healthy Forests initiiative, which actually deregulated and weakened pollution controls and gave favored companies clear-cutting rights and access to previously protected national parks and preserves. And don’t even get me started on tokenism . . . .

Examples, please.

Examples, please.

Interesting indeed.