“You’re an atheists Prometheus”
Don’t i wish. If only there were more of me. Sadly, there’s only one.
One who’s an atheists and who’s religion,philosophy,science and psychology is cognitively biased farcical nonsense.
+=- and -=+ religion,philosophy,science and psychology is fake Promeathean.
Stick to reality and not misrepresentations of it and do away with the drugs.
So your position is worse than Satanism, isn’t it?
I’ll add more…
My impression of Christ and Christianity in general, is that if you have a Conscious existence (Agency) then you are obligated to take on the suffering of ALL existence. Hence other peoples’ Sins are also yours to bear. A renunciation of Christ/Christianity then, is renunciation of this moral obligation and duty to Humanity.
You do realize that becoming a Titan means surviving and enduring Sin, correct? And not just your own, but especially, others’ Sins???
I feel like you’re missing the core component.
Quiet. I’m trying to think.
We must aks what about the ancient Greeks is revealed in their creation of Prometheus. Well, of course, he was a personification of some aspect of their human nature. But this one is much more profound than those personifying lesser aspects… dionysus and apollo as personifications of the irrational and the rational, of chaos and order, of intoxication and sobriety, etc. Prometheus, on the other hand, represents a radical break with the whole mythology by his symbolic defiance of the god(s) entirely. He was the Greek’s Lucifer.
But now, since the learned Greeks all knew their god’s didn’t literally exist, their Promethean instinct actually originated in their suspicion and distrust of the State. That defiant attitude was not toward Zeus (because there is no Zeus) but toward the ruling class that drew its divine right from the pantheon. Zeus was merely a symbol of the king. The idea of Prometheus arose as the champion defender who stole the power of governance from the gods and gave it to men. An idea like this does not come to fruition unless there’s some pretty shady shit going on with the State.
If you don’t think that you exist because you are a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion) then you are suffering from psychosis Promethean.Your condition has been diagnosed.
You exist because you need to exist to claim that you don’t exist.If you claim that you don’t exist then you are a liar who exists thus proving that at the VERY minimum you are a binary processing bilogical machine which exists and claims things one way or the other but doesn’t possess life.
Nobody is interested in atheists misrepresentation of reality views anymore Promethean.They want to know about REALITY!!!
You need to be separated from the automated side of your make up (your physical body) which is programmed with binary software.
The individual interprets electromagnetic binary energy waves emitted from vibrating matter so the individual isn’t vibrating matter or the electromagnetic binary energy waves emitted from it.
Move on Promethean….Your posts are boring.
Honestly I’ve been impressed by your improved understanding and consideration of Satyr’s ideas on Free-Will. You’ve ‘progressed’, at least a little. However your lifetime of failed Choices weigh upon you like a ball and chain. That is the challenge of any lifetime.
Choice, as you’ve demonstrated this last year, can be consolidated to a person’s Political or Religious resistance, against the State, against the Church, against God, against Fate, against Determinism, Etc. It doesn’t really matter which path a person takes – because regardless, all fights are the same in terms of one’s Resistance against Fate / Determinism. Consciousness then, is an increasing, developing, and evolving Self-Conscious reflection of how any particular (Lifetime of) Resistance plays out. That Resistance, made aware by Self-Consciousness, is your “Choice”.
And you cannot fall back to Sam Harris on this… “you have no choice but to make a choice” is a cop-out. Do you know why? Because Spinoza already covered this… there is either ‘One’ Universal Material Substance, or there isn’t. Monism or Dualism. Since you routinely side with Monism, therein is your compulsion to fall back upon Hard Determinism, like a soft cushion. That same cushion you wished was there tumbling down from a 10 foot ladder. But, it is only an ideological, psychological crutch. It’s not actually there when you need it.
Which is why Free-Will is the superior ideology. Do you concede?
I don’t know how to break this to you, son, but you and Satyr are both knuckleheads, and i don’t pay any attention to either of you.
Sure you don’t.
It’s all “language games” for you.
My how easily we forget. Remember what happened to me and my friends the last time we ran into you and Satyr on the forums?
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I am also a determinist, if anything free will is an illusion or mirage which makes it seem more real than it actually is. Just as in freedom within society is solely dependent on laboring or monetary conventions within civilization.
Are we really free in society, or are we subjects of societal conventions? Is freedom a real thing at all beyond cultural perceptions or references?
It is true we have a variety of options, choices, and paths in front of us, but choose the wrong one they can have grave negative consequences.
The fact that consequences exist at all in a sort of relationship within causality implies a sort of predetermination.
I am not going to say something absurd like we live in a predetermined holographic universe or cosmos, to a small degree we are free agents, but that existential agency is wholly dependent on set parameters that cosmic existence provides for us which are inescapable. We can mitigate around those set parameters but ultimately we can never break free from them entirely.
Many individuals exist and claim to be a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion).These same individuals used to claim that they didn’t exist until they were reminded “You need to exist to claim you don’t exist”.
There are no word games in reality…just truths and lies.
Existence is not the same as life.
Many individuals claim to be a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion) who don’t possess life.
And?…..they don’t understand reality……so what?
They are just spirits that exist who don’t possess life, not illusions,
We know that they haven’t cancelled out because they claim things so we know that their +=- and -=+ philosophy is false because we shouldn’t be able to hear their claims.
What’s the difference between an illusion which claims things and a spirit which claims things? The answer is,an illusion isn’t real.
Don’t forget,we know that the individual spirit interprets varying frequency electromagnetic binary energy waves emitted from vibrating matter so the individual isn’t vibrating matter or the varying frequency electromagnetic binary energy waves emitted from it.
You’re referring to www.iloveopinions.com perhaps? Those were some fun years… I believe you were imprisoned at some point. Then ‘Joker’ started Dissident Philosophy forum. I started a free speech forum at one point. Apaosha and Satyr went on to start knowthyself.forumotion.net where the philosophy girlies eventually coallesced. There weren’t enough Thinkers to go around though. Faust, Gobbo, Kriswest, Tab, Etc. most stayed back on ILP.
If you have choices, then you have some degree of Free-Will.
This is a common fallacy, which I wanted to catch @prom75 on. If you don’t have infinite Freedom then you have no freedom. If you don’t have infinite Power then you have no power. If you don’t have infinite Money then you have no money. If you don’t have infinite Lifetime then you have no Lifetime. These are all false.
Because Free-Will then is a matter of comparison, comparing one person’s (Will)Power to another’s, it ought to be clear that some individuals and societies have a great deal of Power/Freedom, while others do not. Furthermore, Free-Will is not only dependent upon others, as a matter of Politics. It is constrained by many factors, too many to list. But how one person, or any organism, any animal demonstrates their Will-To-Power, is very much the same as their demonstration of Free-Will.
Free-Will is indeed an act of Resistance, against any supposed “Fate” or Destiny, any “Predetermination”.
Choosing what movie to watch might be construed as free will.
The actual movie itself is not free will.
Because when you are watching a movie you have Consciousness but do not have free-will.
Lucidity is not the same thing as free-will but lucidity may be a pre-requisite for free-will or at least it is somewhat correlated with free-will.
Are you watching the movie over the fence by any chance….and if so which side of the fence are you sitting?
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So the movie controls you?
LOL….!!!....yeah right….an atheist is always looking to pass on the responsibility for their actions……..you can try and pass on the responsibility for your actions to the automated side of your nature if you want ….I suppose…….it’s still you though isn’t it.