Which do you believe in (Free Will or Determinism)?
- Free Will
- Determinism
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I’ll leave my opinion on the matter out until others have had the chance to reply.
Please tell us what you mean by both. It is notoriously difficult to make proper sense of “free will” in particular.
Neither, I believe in fate.
So Determinism? If not, how does your idea of Fate differ from Determinism?
There is no way for there to be free will, in my opinion.
right. it is determined that you will have free will…
-Imp
Can’t vote. There are no options for neither or both. Organic development suggests both, playing off each other as the development requires.
I’m not sure I understand this. As far as I know, there isn’t any ‘shade of grey’. It’s one or the other, not both.
For me, the notion of free will seems odd. It seems there are two ways to go about a solution to free will or the lack thereof:
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Everything is predictable and predetermined. Meaning no free will.
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At the basic level, everything is chaotic, resulting in random outcomes.
Number one obviously obliterates any chance of free will. And does the second, truely, genuinely, give you free will? It seems to me to be more of a dice roll than the ability to choose what the outcome of the dice might be.
My explanation goes as follows:
The rise of our consciousness allows for the consciousness to believe it can choose. While the actual choice is predetermined, and the consciousness unable to see deep enough to where the choice is coming from, it assumes the choice manifested from within itself. Determinism wins when looking at it from this angle. The appearance or illusion of free will may seem like choice - but it isn’t.
everything is determined, even chaos seemingly randomness is determined.
free will exist within determinism, free will is a interpretation, but also is a fact.
free will and determinism r compatible.
without determinism there will be no free will, and without free will there will be no determinism.
free will is an illusion of determinism. determinism is a product of free will.
determinism is a fact, free will is an interpretation.
facts r interpretations.
determinism is the rule we follow, free will is the game we play.
REALIZE that everything is determined, my friend…
Mans character is his fate - Heraclitus
The enigma of this little note is wonderful.
Perspective.
If you are observing someone making a choice, then you cannot predict the choice and, within parameters, it’s a random outcome. If you’re the one making the choice, then it’s a genuine choice.
Funny how one is asked to split the matter of free will vs determinism by choosing between the two. Cough cough.
Whenever I’m asked to speculate about this issue vacuumed from any sort of context, I feel slightly embarrassed to even begin. As if my opinions or arguments were really that decisive in establishing such dichotomial crap.
Free will or determinism ? I say we wait and see. I think it was Kierkegaard who said that life can be understood only backwards, but we have to live it forwards.
I’m still waiting for a definition of free will…
It’s obviously pie in the sky though.
I have said many times- it is no cost probate
-Imp
What’s “no cost probate” ? 
Free Will - freedom of self determination and action independent of external causes.
free=no cost
probate= kind of american law that deals with wills (as in last will and testament)
-Imp
Clever.
My brain starts to ferment at this “independent of external causes.” I can’t make sense of it.
I think this topic is overrated. Modern science seems generally committed to causal determinism (that awkward business of quantum mechanics notwithstanding). Whether, in fact, all future events are necessitated by past and present events or not, this has virtually no bearing on my experience of choice, of free will. I will still choose whether or not to get up in the morning. Whether I really choose or not is perhaps interesting and relevent to science but not to my experience. Let the physicists do their stuff.
The question is a false dichotomy. Free will and determinism do not compare. Atoms, particles, things are determined. The will is an abstract concept, and is free on that level.
I am, therefor, the unlisted third choice: Compatibilism