FREEDOM

And I’m saying that psychologically, you seem to attatch “Freedom” with “migration”. You feel compelled to move about constantly in order to feel free, which is just as incumbering as feeling the need to stay in one place. It’s almost as if you thought that freedom was the ability to wander, and not using your ability to wander would be not using your freedom.

The Demon of Dearth is a figment of your imagination.

Do not believe his lies!

What is a man of spirit? Courage? Honesty? Strength? Loyalty? Perhaps he has magic powers …

You have made a non-statement.

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It would seem MM is a nomad at heart?

What is your ancestry? Perhaps they are responsible for this …

Freedom is a chimera. It does not really exist. I am not attaching it to anything. It was while walking and fasting at the same time that I realized I could just keep on going and going and going with no need to return to anywhere or hunt for anything. It was that unecumbered detachment (un-neediness?) which gave me a sense of what freedom could taste like. For a few magical days I was sufficient unto myself, reliant on nothing but the air I breathed, a an occassional sip from my water bottle and the warmth of a fire at night. If I had not walked and just sat and meditated, I doubt I would have felt the same magic.
I spent nine months living on an island in a cave as a mendicant Buddhist monk at one time in my life. Other than my morning round of alms, I had nowhere to go and nothing to do. I ended up not feeling the need to ever go to sleep again, which was magical in itself - but I never got the feeling of being free. The islanders felt they were earning good fortune by feeding a monk in search of spirit and i felt concerned that I was not inquiring inwardly hard enough to bring them good fortune…

Which brings me back to the Great American Slogan
The Land of the Free.
A military super-power is as far from freedom as one can get. The policing responsibilities are enormous and the needs of the military endless.
A few days ago my daughter gave me her idea of a free nation. One that was entirely self-sufficient, One that educates, feeds, houses and energizes itself. And it becomes even more free of worry when it produces enough to help its neighbors.

America can become such a free nation. All it needs is to let go of its imaginary fears of foreign invasion, (who on earth could occupy and control this land by force) disband its armies, do some serious investment in renewable energy, believe in good neighborliness and finally get a taste of what freedom really means.

Seems to me like other animals live in a sort of natural freedom all of the time. Needlessness along with capacity for action/change, is probably the epitome of free. But most people would believe this would be bad, for they have become mentally dependant on the concepts of “should”, “necessity” or “need”, the necessitation which forcefully controls all of their values in their life. What would value be if there was no necessitation? If no-one would feel need for something, there would then be no desire for it and thus it would have no value. Therefor the things without value, the amoral instances of nature, are most free, even though man sees them as useless and meaningless, for human value is based on a form of utilitarian slavery.

Ok, how is this? 3 days of food about the same with water can’t get out to get more, stuck for a week in isolation no electricity no phone no humans around. Once you get contact with the outside world you can only get minimal water and minimal food, one pack of MRE per day per person. Volunteer to leave all behind? hell no! I have had it forced on me, no thanks. No pain no gain my ass. I can get all the freedom I want sitting in a hot bath with no one wanting anything from me for about 15 minutes. Wait til you can’t bathe or eat real food or real amounts of food or drink very much for more than a month in the hottest part of the year… yea you will know what freedom is then bucko.

I agree. Freedom is entropy, and the only state in which total freedom could really exist would be in a state of complete and total chaos: a universe with no natural law, no causality, and no logic. Freedom in such a state would have no meaning, however, because it would not be able to attain anything.

It is our restraints (natural, artificial, or otherwise), our lack of freedom that give us form, direction, and purpose.

I like to use the game of Nomic to illustrate this point. Nomic, for those of you who don’t know, is a game about modifying the ruleset of the game. The state of the game (initially, at least; all rules are negotiable in this game) can only be changed in accordance with the ruleset. Actions and imaginary entities outside of the ruleset are unregulated and thus are at maximum liberty to the players. However they can have no bearing upon the state of the game, because they lack definition. Only through creating a new rule that regulates an action or game entity can it be given purpose and meaning. If the players revoked all rules within the game they would have maximum, total freedom. However it would be a state of meaningless chaos.

Why “chaos”? Why not “nothingness”? Anything which is free even of interaction with other objects should surely be non-existant, hence nothingness …

For all intents and purposes, they’re the same. Truth only has value in the presense of a point of reference, and in a state of nonexistence where nothing can be referenced, all statements become equally valid. Entropy, or freedom, whatever you call it, is the degradation of orderly existance.

Or as I like to say, “Destroy the universe, and all your wildest dreams will come true”. :laughing:

Out of the Void
came Form Buddhist sutra

:laughing:

I listened to an EVP. And the only thing I can recall a male spirit speaking was, “Heavy.”

It certainly depends upon where exactly your headed. I’m sure if its heaven you will feel that 100% freedom. But otherwise, I beg to differ.