If they want to own it, they have to create it.
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Sounds like to me you just want an enslaved underclass. I on the other hand want the liberation away from bondage.
Automation specially means none enslavement. And the vast majority of technology is created by people… to the extent that they are free… the more free (responsible etc) then the more technology
I am so generous. You can use my invention of a type of south magnetization of fuel… you can save for yourself 33% on fuel, and even sale this yourself and install it on big rigs and save them hundreds per month. That can be a real career for you, to have money, be ‘innovative’, add value to the economy, and promote freedom from oil monopoly and wars over oil, saving lives!
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Well obviously geniuses deserve something for their work. Open source fags and people who give away free software make it much harder to earn a living.
I’m just saying step back before it metastasizes into robber barons. The State should enforce a limit to prices so that they can keep prices fair to consumers. They should not be allowed to be greedy robber barons that exploit consumers.
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If they want to own it, they have to create it.
Haha all these geniuses you talk about profit from the backs of slaves. Steve jobs would be nothing without his slaves!!! Do you get it now???
Genius is simply standing on the backs of other genius. There is NOT ONE PERSON who can build a pencil! The whole world has to cooperate with the supply chains to get a pencil!!! Why only the “idea guy” becomes billionairre while the slaves rot??? Is the inventor slaving in the mines to harvest the materials? Why not?
We should care about advancing civilization not focusing all our attention on every last dollar we can extract from people.
The “state” is the robber baron. Predicating itself as a protector of consumers, where in fact to even have a ‘state’ requires you pay a bunch of people to admin others… and that leaves considerable space for corruption, besides the fact that you are wasting money on controlling the economy!
I worked for Steve Jobs, he paid me $11 an hour and I was a rework technician for his servers and personal computers. That was high pay to me at the time. and I appreciated it!
Idea guys work all the time, and do it on their own time and with their own money. They work harder (and smarter) then the common laborer… so who should get ‘paid’?
Minerals should be harvested by automated rigs,…
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That’s not what I meant by slave, you were one of the “lucky” ones, because overseas he uses literal slaves
Smart people should be content with being millionaires not billionaires. Greed is a disease. If you’d ask any capitalist from the 1800s they would agree there should be wealth limits. Unlimited wealth and always wanting more is a modern disease.
Agree. Isn’t it the whole point of technology? Yet some of us here wish for everyone to be Amish, living in the stone age with no technological progress of any kind, no machines or robots to do the repetitive labor for us. There are some here who wish for humans to be no more than Sisyphus forever.
Ideally, in the future all repetitive jobs would be fully automatic and done by machines. The main problem is we are in a social climate where UBI is seen as a joke. Billionaires amassing endless wealth is seen as the norm and poverty is seen as the norm… And you aren’t helping. Your ideology of “smart people take all” or “winner take all” is part of the problem. Where are the people saying that “if robots take all the jobs, then the corporations must contribute to society with UBI.”
I suspect he pays more than anyone else in those ‘slave’ states.
Hoarding money may actually stall the economy… but my inventions may be worth trillions… so the value is in the technology, not in paper fucking money
I said those that create the means of production have exclusive rights to them… that is a lawful fact for any sane civilization… and it will encourage others to create the means of production too/also and therefore this strategy creates MORE means of production
I believe we can give UBI for basic housing, food, and transportation right now. as I have highlighted it should be from debit created out of thin air.
He just outsources it to factories and the foreign factories decide the pay of the slaves.
My inventions are worth trillions as well. I gave one of them away for free. Methane energy. But I assumed humans would be too stupid to even bother with it, and my assumption seems to be true. They would rather die of climate change than even bother with trying methane energy.
That’s not how civilization works. If someone for example is randomly born into an oil field then they are lucky and randomly born into wealth. Then might makes right and other nations will just take the oil from them by force.
Yes because there are enough farmers and robots to give food for the whole world. Yet people starve. Because people follow your idealogy of “those that create the means of production have exclusive rights to them”. Who’s to say if people who create the means of production should give food or not? After all, that is the lawful fact for a sane civilization, according to you…
Automation doesn’t enslave anyone.
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How is methane energy your invention? Can you explain it to me?
I clearly said that UBI should be paid from debit out of thin air. Do you understand what that means? Watch this video to understand the underlying principles of money; Money Masters (1996) - YouTube
Yes I understand. The problem is you contradict yourself. I am trying to get you to see that. Some of the philosophies you believe in contradict each other.
Poop energy will save the world. It is better than Nuclear Fusion or a Perpetual Motion Machine Overunity energy.
Poop energy is clean energy that cleans the entire planet. Methane is a large contributor to climate change and atmospheric destruction. Methane energy MUST be used, otherwise methane emissions will destroy the planet. Cow farts and such. This makes it superior to Nuclear Fusion.
My plan is the Toilet network which is an underground Sewage network which harvests the Poop directly from the toilets, Then pays the poopers to poop. It would be a UBI where people are paid to poop and they can use the poop to power their electronic Tadpole tricycles…
All this methane energy will simply be put to good use into Combustion engines not unlike standard car engines… this tech is already proven to work in other countries with methane powered taxis…
Will humans adopt it? No of course not, they want tech to stagnate and go no where and then wallow in their own self-imposed doom and ask “where is the nuclear fusion” then when there is WW3 they will get their nuclear fusion - directly.
If I said debit out of thin air to pay for UBI, how can you ask anyone particularlly to pay for UBI? You contradict yourself.
Feel free to show a contradiction.
Idk man, you may have got me there.
Like I said, you said that “those that create the means of production have exclusive rights to them” Which means that if farmers, or Monsanto, suddenly decide to withhold from everbody, they have the legal and moral right to do so, according to you. Let me remind you that less than 2% of the American population are farmers…
“means of production” includes all industries Google Search
farming should be automated
I don’t think methane energy is your invention. Sorry, you don’t get the patent.
So then whoever controls the farming automation has the legal and moral right to withold? Wtf
Why does noone on these forums ever admit when they are losing an argument about something
It is my invention, i never heard of the other inventions. I am too poor to afford a patent anyway, it is 20K.
After i invented it the ai told me someone else invented it before me. That’s just globalism and capitalism for ya. The boomers before you have already invented the inventions. Its not the 1800s anymore where poor people can afford a patent. Back then it was just 15 dollars. 600 dollars in today’s money i reckon.