Fruit of the spirit

[scythekain]

Under discussion:

Genesis 2:4 - 3:24

The story of the fall of man.

before I begin, my interpretation is going to be quite allegorical, and metaphorical, based upon my own culture and understand of the origins of man.

Chapter 2 describes the creation of man, and the creation of animals (who shall be the servants of man), and describes how we are greater than animals. Chapter 2 also tells us what a proper relationship is. And for maximum happiness, we should follow it.

" 24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh."

Sex for man is to be more than carnal, (this is written after the “fall” so knowledge of the reason of sex was known.)

Then we come to chapter 3 the fall. This chapter sets up a deceptor… a tricker. Someone who tries to hide the truth.

The tree truly was the tree of good and evil. The tree of life, was the tree of ignorance. God wanted man to become more than an animal that was only concerned about the moment. As animals, we FELT immortal, death was too far off to be of any concern.

Knowledge of good and evil also means knowledge of morals and responsibility. No longer was it okay for man to murder another man because we were no longer animals. (the story of cain sets that up).

So Eve eats the fruit and what is the first thing she notices? Not that she’s mortal, but that’s she’s naked. The tree granted morality and decency to us, and we all have knowledge of that. (the nudists ignore it.)

gen 3:7 “Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.”

As animals, our eyes were shut to our nakedness and lack of morality. Being moral doesn’t matter to the Lion, it doesn’t care about the life it takes for it’s food. We do.

As dan stated in his beastiality thread, “mammals have emotions”

But only humans have empathy and morals.

[Mucius_Scevola]

So Eve eats the fruit and what is the first thing she notices? Not that she’s mortal, but that’s she’s naked. The tree granted morality and decency to us, and we all have knowledge of that. (the nudists ignore it.)

I’m surprised that you announced the allegorical side of your interpretation and fell short of seeing a metaphor here, the snakes’ nest of ambivalent metaphors.

I asked my religion teacher what being naked meant. He answered that their nakedness is actually an inner realisation of their shallowness, once the idyllic initial state of bliss is washed away. Somehow, eating from a tree attracts the creator’s wrath. As I see it, it is the act itself that carries the significance, rather than the tree itself. I still scratch my head wondering what exactly was the tree all about. What “good” and what “evil” ?

Interestingly enough, the motif is that of temptation and, relatedly, of pride. If God hadn’t wanted A&E to sin, he could have left out the tree or hide it or whatever, but he deliberately lets the words slip out of his mouth. You can see where Blue Beard gets his inspiration. Additionally, there is the snake, the avatar of a fallen Lucifer, trapped by his own arrogance.

In the beginning of Faust, by Goethe, there is a prologue in Heaven, where Mephistopheles asks permition to give Faust a hard time. The same happens in Job. Here, it’s been left out.

[scythekain]

@Mucius Scevola

So Eve eats the fruit and what is the first thing she notices? Not that she’s mortal, but that’s she’s naked. The tree granted morality and decency to us, and we all have knowledge of that. (the nudists ignore it.)

I’m surprised that you announced the allegorical side of your interpretation and fell short of seeing a metaphor here, the snakes’ nest of ambivalent metaphors.

I asked my religion teacher what being naked meant. He answered that their nakedness is actually an inner realisation of their shallowness, once the idyllic initial state of bliss is washed away. Somehow, eating from a tree attracts the creator’s wrath. As I see it, it is the act itself that carries the significance, rather than the tree itself. I still scratch my head wondering what exactly was the tree all about. What “good” and what “evil” ?

Interestingly enough, the motif is that of temptation and, relatedly, of pride. If God hadn’t wanted A&E to sin, he could have left out the tree or hide it or whatever, but he deliberately lets the words slip out of his mouth. You can see where Blue Beard gets his inspiration. Additionally, there is the snake, the avatar of a fallen Lucifer, trapped by his own arrogance.

In the beginning of Faust, by Goethe, there is a prologue in Heaven, where Mephistopheles asks permition to give Faust a hard time. The same happens in Job. Here, it’s been left out.

interesting… the shallowness, in my mind is related to what I stated, that they were only living in the momeny. as for the snake being an avatar of lucifer, I don’t know that, that is a necessary interpretation.