# Full of sound and fury
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382
**Category:** Philosophy
**Created:** [May 23, 2025, 2:14pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382 "2025-05-23T14:14:02Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Kropotkin](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Peter_Kropotkin)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 2:14pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/1 "2025-05-23T14:14:02Z")
Let us do something that ‘‘writers’’
around here refuse to do, which is takes its
thoughts seriously …Put those thoughts
to the test of reality… and as an example,
I point out the sheer stupidly of those who
keep on going about ‘‘Jewish’’ state of affairs…
Around here somewhere is a thread about
‘‘Jewish privilege’’… Which matches the other
nonsense about Jewish this or that… the
Jews run the world type of idiocy… and if you
want to be ignorant and babble about such things,
great, but my problem lies in a different direction…
the people who write this drivel, don’t offer us
any type of solutions, or possible responses to this,
or give us answers as to what the problem actually
entails… in other words, it’s Kabuki theater…
it’s make-believe theater… because if the Jews
actually ran the world, what response should we have to this?
No one ever says anything about what how we should
respond to this…
‘‘The Jews run the world’’
Ok, great, now what? How should we act then? what should
we be doing? They aren’t even smart enough to wonder
about the possibility they might be wrong… They are
so sure they are right, they don’t even question the
premise of their statements… Which brings us to
the bigger question, what about those conspiracy
theorist, of which we have plenty around here,
What should we be doing if, IF, the conspiracy
theorist is right?
Another example is the ongoing delusions about
the U.S and/or the world being dominated by
a small core of uber wealthy people who use
voting as a cover for their control of the world…
there is no point to voting these conspiracy theorist
because it doesn’t matter, the Uber wealthy
control the world and we have no voice of
any kind in this…
there are of course, multiple problems with this,
one, where is the proof? what evidence do you
have of this vast worldwide domination of
by small group of people…Two, what response
should we have to this alleged state of affairs?
these people offer us vast conspiracy theories without
any proof of such a conspiracy theory and two, no
suggestion of any kind as to what we should do
about it… if the world is dominated this way,
what should I be doing? there is never any suggestion
of what response we should be making…
These conspiracy theorists have nothing to offer us,
nothing to say about these idea’s or even proof
that the conspiracy theory is right… it is empty
words… or as the bard said,
‘’… it is a tale, Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing’’
‘‘Signifying nothing’’ pretty much sums up
the conspiracy theorists empty threads…
they offer us ‘‘sound and fury’’ but nothing
provable or even an idea about what to do
about the laughable theories of the conspiracy
theorists… because they don’t even take
their own theories seriously, why should we?
so read each thread/post, and ask yourself,
is the writer actually taking this idea seriously,
offering us solutions or evidence of this idea,
or what response should we be making to this idea,
No, the vast number of threads/post around here
are empty words, full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing… whose author doesn’t even
take their thread serious enough to offer us proof
or solutions to their thread/post…
Kropotkin
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### Author:  [@Kallikantzaros](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kallikantzaros)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 2:24pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/2 "2025-05-23T14:24:10Z")
Are you this naive?
Wow!
What to do about it?
Let the system collapse.
It is collapsing, and as it does it exposes all the lies it was using…to manipulate fools, and gullible old men.
The most propagandized nation on the planet is the United states and its citizenry.
The Jews don’t control the world…they control the US, and through the US tried to control the world - Globalism.
They failed, as they did when they tried using the Soviets.
They fail because lies cannot endure reality, for long…even if they can fool people like you, who pretend to be philosophers.
You cannot be this naive, and be as old as you claim…can you?
Amazing…
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Kropotkin](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Peter_Kropotkin)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 2:25pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/3 "2025-05-23T14:25:49Z")
Ok, another empty post, what proof do you
have of such things and what should our
response be? simple enough questions…
where is your proof and what should we do?
Kropotkin
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### Author:  [@Kallikantzaros](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kallikantzaros)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 2:35pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/4 "2025-05-23T14:35:20Z")
Proof…do you not see how they treat what is happening in Palestine…the US media is ignoring it.
Do you not count how many Jews are in every US presidents cabinet…are you unable to count how many Jews are in Hollywood and the Media…no?
Why did they lie about Iraq…to manipulate you dumb Americans into going to war…Where are the WMD’s Saddam had?
Same place as Iran’s nukes.
Why is the US ignoring the ehtnic cleansing happening, RIGHT NOW in Palestine?
Why is anti-Judaism called anti-Semitic, when most Jews are not even Semites…Palestinians are more Semite than those in Israel.
Why don’t they ever make movies about Jews in the Mafia?
It’s always Italians.
Why do they make movies about the Holocaust…year after year…but none about any other human atrocity…none about the Armenian genocide…or the massacre of American natives…
Have you ever heard of the Holdomore?
More people were slaughtered then, than in the fuckin Holocaust!!!.
Who owns BlackRock…who owns CNN, CBS, NBC, FOX…who owns all the Hollywood studios…Why are 2% of America’s population over-represented, by a thousand fold, in key institution of power?
Why have all the presidents, AFTER Kennedy and Nixon, supported Israel’s misdeeds?
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Kropotkin](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Peter_Kropotkin)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 3:00pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/5 "2025-05-23T15:00:06Z")
Silenus, Kallikantzaros:
Proof…do you not see how they treat what is happening in Palestine…the US media is ignoring it.
Do you not count how many Jews are in every US presidents cabinet…are you unable to count how many Jews are in Hollywood and the Media…no?
Why did they lie about Iraq…to manipulate you dumb Americans into going to war…Where are the WMD’s Saddam had?
Same place as Iran’s nukes.
Why is the US ignoring the ehtnic cleansing happening, RIGHT NOW in Palestine?
Why is anti-Judaism called anti-Semitic, when most Jews are not even Semites…Palestinians are more Semite than those in Israel.
Why don’t they ever make movies about Jews in the Mafia?
It’s always Italians.
Why do they make movies about the Holocaust…year after year…but none about any other human atrocity…none about the Armenian genocide…or the massacre of American natives…
Have you ever heard of the Holdomore?
More people were slaughtered then, than in the fuckin Holocaust!!!.
Who owns BlackRock…who owns CNN, CBS, NBC, FOX…who owns all the Hollywood studios…Why are 2% of America’s population over-represented, by a thousand fold, in key institution of power?
Why have all the presidents, AFTER Kennedy and Nixon, supported Israel’s misdeeds?
K: let us look at your statement…
there are two bits to it… one, you just put
together a series of random statements…
''Who owns ‘‘Black rock’’
How does the ownership of one company, prove your
conspiracy theories of the Jews owning everything…
there is no connection of your statements to
the worldwide conspiracy of Jews you claim…
and how does ‘‘Holdomore’’ a Russian genocide,
during the 1930’s, help you prove there is a worldwide
Jewish conspiracy today? You literately threw random
statements into your post and expect us to believe
in some worldwide Jewish conspiracy from those
random statements…
Here in America, there is never an acknowledgement
of our own genocide, the American Indians…
is that somehow proof of a worldwide Jewish
conspiracy?
Which leads us to the second part of the question I asked,
if it is true about a Worldwide Jewish conspiracy, then
I asked, what should our response be?
''What am I to do?" as the Kantian question asks…
take your own statement seriously and tell us
what can we do about it?
Kropotkin
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### Author:  [@Kallikantzaros](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kallikantzaros)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 3:26pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/6 "2025-05-23T15:26:59Z")
Did you not see the reply?
I gave you my answer.
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Kropotkin](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Peter_Kropotkin)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 3:43pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/7 "2025-05-23T15:43:37Z")
Silenus Kallikantzaros:
Did you not see the reply?
I gave you my answer.
K: So your ‘‘answer’’ is a series of random statements which
don’t logically connect? and the second part is the question
of, what are we to do about this? If what you say is true,
then what should we do? What should our response be?
Kropotkin
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### Author:  [@Kallikantzaros](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kallikantzaros)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 3:49pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/8 "2025-05-23T15:49:04Z")
What?
so you did not read my reply, or you didn’t understand it…
Nothing can be done about it…it collapses on its own.
It is collapsing.
I said it failed…so the empire it used to globalize its power is collapsing.
Just as it failed to globalize communism…via the Soviets.
Look into the communist plitburo in the early days.
How many Jews?
They change their names, as they do in the states…but we know their real names.
Who conducted the Holodomor? How many died?
Why are no films made about that event?
What did Solzhenitsyn say?
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Kropotkin](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Peter_Kropotkin)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 4:13pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/9 "2025-05-23T16:13:01Z")
Silenus Kallikantzaros:
It is collapsing.
I said it failed…so the empire it used to globalize its power is collapsing.
Just as it failed to globalize communism…via the Soviets.
Look into the communist plitburo in the early days.
How many Jews?
They change their names, as they do in the states…but we know their real names.
Who conducted the Holodomor? How many died?
Why are no films made about that event?
What did Solzhenitsyn say?
K: So, what you are offering us is nihilism, fatalism,
defeatism? Just give up and die is your response?
How sad… you have no other advice other than
lie down and die? and yet, you haven’t even given us
any example or proof that the ‘‘system’’ is in fact dying,
or collasping… One might say, just look Kropotkin…
or read the media… but as you radical right wingers like
to say, media, ALL media is fake… how do I get proof
of what you say if the media is so biased?
and BTW, if your information comes from youtube,
you are more confused than you even know…
Kropotkin
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### Author:  [@Kallikantzaros](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kallikantzaros)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 4:18pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/10 "2025-05-23T16:18:34Z")
Is that what you understood?
I said “lie down and die”?
Oh well…explains a lot about America…if you are one of its representative citizens.
What did Solzhenitsyn say?
Read his book…
_Two Hundred Years Together_
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Kropotkin](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Peter_Kropotkin)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/11 "2025-05-23T16:32:49Z")
Silenus Kallikantzaros
Is that what you understood?
I said “lie down and die”?
Oh well…explains a lot about America…if you are one of its representative citizens.
What did Solzhenitsyn say?
Read his book…
_Two Hundred Years Together_
K: having read Solzhenitsyn, ‘‘The Gulag Archipelago’’
I found him to be a rather boring writer… and as
far as ‘‘lie down and die’’ goes, did you offer any
other advice? Not that I can tell… you are
very, VERY short on giving answers…
so, our system has failed, now what?
what system should we have?
“” What am I/we to do?" a specific Kantian question
to your posts… so, do you have any answers
or are you just going to insult me some more?
the surprising thing here is that I am taking
your statements far more seriously than you are…
thus, backing up my point that writers around
here don’t actually take their statements seriously…
Kropotkin
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### Author:  [@Kallikantzaros](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kallikantzaros)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/12 "2025-05-23T19:27:13Z")
> [@Peter\_Kropotkin](#):
>
> Two Hundred Years Together
Not gonna wast time on you…
Read _Two Hundred Years Together_
He lived through those times…
Let him teach you what communism is, and who was running it.
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Kropotkin](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Peter_Kropotkin)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 8:00pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/13 "2025-05-23T20:00:23Z")
Silenus Kallikantzaros:
Not gonna wast time on you…
Read _Two Hundred Years Together_
He lived through those times…
Let him teach you what communism is, and who was running it.
K: in reading about this book, it is clear that it is
both factual wrong… and antisemitic…
for example, he wrote that:
From 20 ministers in the first Soviet government, one
was Russian, one Georgian, one Armenian and 17 Jews"
But that is factually wrong… in 1917, the number of ministers
were 15, and 11 were ethically Russians, two Ukrainians,
one Pole, and one Jew… Trotsky…
and multiple writers have said that the book
was ‘‘worthless as historical scholarship’’
the only reason you love this book is because it
conforms to your already biased viewpoint…
it has no value as a historical document…
try again…
Kropotkin
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### Author:  [@Kallikantzaros](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kallikantzaros)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2025, 8:06pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/14 "2025-05-23T20:06:38Z")
Ha!!
Carry on then…your beyond help.
> Apart from the government, the Central Committee of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (Bolsheviks) on the eve of October 1917 had 20% Jews (6 out of 30), and in the first composition of the political bureau of the Central Committee of the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks) – **40% (3 out of 7)**".
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### Author:  [@RealUn](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/RealUn)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2025, 8:36am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/15 "2025-05-24T08:36:43Z")
> [@Peter\_Kropotkin](#):
>
> ‘‘The Jews run the world’’
>
> Ok, great, now what? How should we act then? what should
> we be doing? They aren’t even smart enough to wonder
> about the possibility they might be wrong… They are
> so sure they are right, they don’t even question the
> premise of their statements… Which brings us to
> the bigger question, what about those conspiracy
> theorist, of which we have plenty around here,
> What should we be doing if, IF, the conspiracy
> theorist is right?
Poor, deluded, Krapkin…
Obviously we need to gather all True Ethnic Germans together, implement the 4th Reich, and expel the Jews, right??? That’s the answer you’re looking for, correct? You’re not looking for “answers”. You’re looking for Enemies. You’re a courageous, valorant, holy, noble _Nazi hunter!_ And anybody who speaks against your liberal ideology, anybody promoting and spreading such “Conspiracy Theories” about Jewish monetary donations into the US Congress, must HATE Jews!
If you look at Jewish people with suspicion of any kind, then you’re OBVIOUSLY a Nazi, Krapkin…
What’s your stance on the Gaza situation right now though, Krapper? Do you support what Israel is doing in Gaza? Do you tolerate mass death of women and children?
…it kind of sounds like you do support it. OR, are you a Nazi?
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### Author:  [@Kallikantzaros](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kallikantzaros)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2025, 10:15am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/16 "2025-05-24T10:15:14Z")
That’s the only solution they gave him…the other is…tolerance and mixing.
There’s no other answer.
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### Author:  [@futureone](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/futureone)
#### Post date: [May 25, 2025, 11:01am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/17 "2025-05-25T11:01:13Z")
Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal. Fact not an opinion.
> **[International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli leaders](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_arrest_warrants_for_Israeli_leaders)**
>
> On 21 November 2024, following an investigation of war crimes and crimes against humanity, the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants for two senior Israeli officials, Benjamin Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav Gallant, the former Minister of Defense of Israel, alleging responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts during the Gaza war. The warrant agains 12...
The fact is that this is old testament semite behavoir. Warring desert tribes raping and pillaging each other all year. It is chimpanzee behavoir. We must modify human genetics to no longer be chimpanzees. We must ascend away from Abrahamism and old testament systems.
It is a question of “who started it”. Hamas are indeed savages, but Israel started it by taking their land. It is no different than the Americans who stole the land from Indians. Then the Indians respond with savagery. It is a fact not an opinion that we are all owed land from the rich, because the land was not theirs. All Americans should be given 2 acres of land, the rich should not hoard so much land.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/report-trump-disappointed-with-netanyahu-will-continue-middle-east-policy-objectives-without-israel/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-trump-disappointed-with-netanyahu-will-continue-middle-east-policy-objectives-without-israel/))
> **[Trump Suggests U.S. 'Take' Gaza, Turn Into 'Freedom Zone'](https://time.com/7285602/trump-plans-for-gaza-freedom-zone/)**
>
> 'I'd be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone,' Trump said of Gaza.
US ownership of Gaza seems like the most reasonable course of action, except it has serious flaws:
> **[Donald Trump's Gaza Strip proposal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_Gaza_Strip_proposal)**
>
> On 4 February 2025, U.S. president Donald Trump declared his intent for the United States to take ownership of the Gaza Strip. The proposal was made during a ceasefire in the war between Israel and Hamas-led Palestinian militants. Trump expressed his vision to re-develop the territory into the "Riviera of the Middle East". The plan would call for the forced displacement of approximately 2 million Palestinians to neighboring lands. It would also require the removal of over 50 million tonnes Tr...
[https://www.npr.org/2025/05/15/1251545866/the-u-s-has-a-new-plan-for-gaza-aid](https://www.npr.org/2025/05/15/1251545866/the-u-s-has-a-new-plan-for-gaza-aid)
The plan should be US troops giving aid in the middle of Gaza and not Israeli checkpoints and aid near Israeli bases. It has a second large flaw which is the forced displacement of Palestinians. Instead, Palestinians should remain and own land in the new US governed territory.
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### Author:  [@MrAuthoritarian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MrAuthoritarian)
#### Post date: [May 25, 2025, 6:05pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/18 "2025-05-25T18:05:33Z")
Jews, the only group of people who have been committing an actual genocide in the modern state of Palestine for almost a year now and western nations are totally silent about it, Washington D.C. is totally silent over it. Probably has something to do with the almost 700,000 individuals residing inside the United States with dual Israeli citizenship.
But yes, to speak of Jewish (Zionist) power must be some sort of huge conspiracy as Peter says in this thread, a forbidden taboo and sacred golden heffer.
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### Author:  [@MrAuthoritarian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MrAuthoritarian)
#### Post date: [May 25, 2025, 6:16pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/19 "2025-05-25T18:16:14Z")
He’s indicative of the general neoliberal population of say a city like San Francisco as example.
Although the neoconservatives in rural Texas wouldn’t be much better because they would just tell you it’s our job to take care of God’s chosen people no matter what because that’s what Rabbi Yeshua would have wanted.
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### Author:  [@Kallikantzaros](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Kallikantzaros)
#### Post date: [May 25, 2025, 6:30pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/full-of-sound-and-fury/81382/20 "2025-05-25T18:30:18Z")
Yeah…that’s how fucked up America has become. Dumbed-down.
These days they are either anti-LGBTQJEWMNOP+ and pro-Zionism, or anti-Zionism and pro-LGBTQJEWMNOP+
Binaries…Republicans/Democrats…zero nuance.
Capitalist/Communist…as if there are no overlapping alternatives.
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