no, i just don’t feel like talking to someone who pretends like they didn’t type something that i can clearly read.
You are missing the central point of this thread
In order to grasp what I am saying
you have to imagine the state of world as it was in the Middle Ages
less than 1% of Europe was literate
99% of those who could read and write were clergymen
Nations per se did not exist
Europe was divided into tribal fiefdoms
clans were ruled by oral traditions and tribal customs
religion was based on paganism and ancestral worship with shamans acting as mediums
the sophisticated choice of social and spiritual consciousness we enjoy today did not exist
the mind of the masses was bound by totemic superstitions
In order for the evolution of human consciousness to advance to a national consciousness
the oral-based mind-set of the entire Bronze Age that had lasted for 600 generations
had to be broken down and restructured under a centralized script-based government
Hundreds of pagan Gods also had to be unseated
The Catholic Church was the only educational and spiritual establishment in existence during that period
able to accomplish that dual task
Sure from a theological perception it set out to evangelize Christ as the only son of God
but from the larger cycle of human evolutionary development
the central task was to teach literacy and thereby stimulate the peasant intellect
get it to grapple with the science if grammar and syntax
Scribes had to begin to train the pupil to think and reason in the abstract as a scholar
rather than remain rooted in the practical mindset of the farmer
It was only after this basic schooling was firmly established
that scientific rationales as to how the universe actually operated
could find an intellectual foothold
In this respect
all of us owe a huge debt to the Catholic Church
it formed and continues to form the foundation of our Western culture
Protestantism and science are recent addendums
uhhh…no, we don’t owe the catholic church anything. if you’re suggesting i was born owing somebody something, you’re clearly just pro slavery. that’s what it means to be a slave: to be born in someone’s pocket. so no, i don’t accept your proposition that i should be a slave to a church. that’s silly.
anyway, i still fail to see how the sun being the center of the solar system has anything to do with learning how to read. tell me the narrative of how this actually works, I’d like to hear it. this is what I imagine you’re thinking:
Galileo publishes the work proving that the earth is not at the center of the solar system. The work is spread across Europe and eventually into the hands of the teachers teaching the heathens how to read. The teachers read Galileo’s discoveries and suddenly decide that they no longer want to teach their students how to read.
Is that the narrative going on in your head? Is that why his discovery would have undermined their schools? Because…I fail to see how a fact like that would stop teachers from continuing to teach. but anyway, you provide me your narrative: exactly why would a discovery like this undermine their education goals?
Humpty
believe it or not
at the moment I am wordless
hopefully the feeling will pass
there must be some other words I can find
but right now
none come to mind
hopefully its nothing worse
than an inability to process clauses
when they are listed vertically
=D>
Keep in mind, though, that Catholics also had underlying methods of social control and conduct. Rather than a physical, technological, conventional army, their warriors were ‘spiritual’. Their ‘knowledge’ was their weapon (through indoctrination). This perhaps was the second half of Roman Empiricism, not only to dominate militarily but spiritually as well. To create a singular, all encompassing culture (known as “Christianity” today).
How else can a barbarian become “civilized” except to destroy his (false) gods, customs, and to “teach him” (indoctrinate/enslave) literacy?
People (babies, infants, and children) are first bound, chained, and shackled, to “The Word” even today.
Preschool and Grade School are institutions of mental slavery; indoctrination begins there, severed from the original ‘family’ unit, a biological father and mother. If you try and promote the “family unit” today as having a biological father then you will become attacked by liberals, feminazis, and most other social dissidents. Society wants to “do away” with Man (God) entirely. So if you have a family with a biological father then you are “WRONG” while a family with two or three or four gay fathers, or lesbian mothers, is “RIGHT”.
That the Catholic spiritual conquest had scientific derivatives and benefits, seems like a secondary and foregone conclusion.
I sincerely doubt the Priests were expecting to receive such side affects to their proselytizations. In fact, they attempted to crucify early “scientists” for failing to adhere to religious, dogmatic ideals. Religion and Science (still) do not mix well even to this day.
so you can’t provide a narrative of how the process of undermining education by discovering a fact would go? i see. didn’t think so.
I am inclined to believe early “scientists” learned ‘facts’ in order to dispute the spiritual order, and call their dogmatic, singular faith, into doubt.
Newton, Galileo, Einstein, all in a sense were spitting in the face of God. 
Defying “God”.
A good teacher inspires the student.
does far more than just feeding data
Inspiration is the greatest gift one spirit can give to another.
Inspiration creates new levels of thought
builds new ideas
respectfully
upon the ideas built before
it strikes a spark
that Lights up the Soul of the child
The soul in the child is the observer
the super-consciousness
who synthesizes the positive/negative transmission
of the five sense frequencies in the physical realm of reception
analyzes that input
in every instance of circumstance
affects the intellectual and emotional responses
and then evaluates the results
in the subsequent behavior of the personality.
More salt?
More sugar?
In this way
as the receiver of deeper self knowledge
the soul too, evolves
creatively upwardly
adding its tone to the larger harmonic
you still didn’t provide what i asked for. i don’t think you can.
A good teacher inspires the student.
Inspiration is the greatest gift one spirit can give to another.
Inspiration creates higher levels of thought
builds new ideas
respectfully
upon the ideas built before
delivered carefully and deliberately
it strikes a spark
that can Light up the atomic Soul of the child
The soul in the child is the meta-normal observer
the super-consciousness
who synthesizes the positive/negative transmission
of the five sense frequencies that affect the nature of the personality
busy building knowledge in the physical realm of reception
the one who analyzes the input
in every instance of circumstance
sees how it affects the intellectual and emotional responses
and then evaluates the results
via the changes taking place in subsequent behavior of the personality.
The soul then decides
together with the awakened mind
More salt?
More sugar?
eternally seeking the perfect recipe
In this way
as the receiver of deeper self knowledge
the soul too, evolves
creatively upwardly
adding its tone to even higher harmonics
i think that’s mostly the same thing you said before. i still don’t know how a fact discovered half way around the globe would halt everybody else from learning how to read. you’re not providing this.
it was a matter of mass organization
with primary goal of literacy first and foremost
which has taken 20 Centuries to implement
and still continues
subject content had to be under the logo of the corporate sponsor
The Cross
Science explaining or even hinting that the universe work randomly
without a God or Design
was not going to get a free ride
To put it as simply as I can
The importance of empiricism was not a concern of the Time
that need only surfaced once mass industry
in the monument trades
paid for and managed by the Roman Church
was fully established across the known world
also
in terms of gradual intellectual development
the primary students had first to be lit-prepped
and apprenticed to the trades
which only later
when maths and physics became too complicated to memorize
needed their own science working manuals
then there is the fact that the only hand-printed book in production
available for teaching literature on the mission circuit
in the Middle Ages
was that shitty little bible of childish nonsense
which funnily enough
excited a the exact massive peasant labor movement I have just described
taking millions of workers out of the crowded agricultural industry
and training them in all the crafts related to monumental constructions
all in the name of God
Christ
Buddha
Krishna’
Loa Tse
As best sellers go
the peasants of Europe loved the farm-based story of the Jews
and adopted it into the Heart of their agri-culture
and thus gradually and peacefully
threw all their other Gods out
creating a vast monotheistic culture
reaching across the entire planet
and did so
by simply teaching people to read
not facts
but bedtime stories
about a peasant history and their kings
an Almighty God
and His favorite son
who became the first Hero of Peace
to die and forgive his killers
with his last breath
and in this mass production way
by the only corporation of that era
massive enough to accomplish the task
the ground was prepared
for the higher education of the future
I will give credit to the fact
that you insist on having the precise answer
to a particular question
and demerit myself for making fun of sincerity
instead of seeing it right away
Please feel free if you are still confused
you and I are on a deadly course
that may perhaps send us crashing at an intersection
so I will have to keep an eye on you
another plus
you laugh at my jokes
that was like pulling teeth. more than half of this thread so far is devoted to me trying to get you to answer a single question.
now, what I’m saying is this: so the church was wrong about one minute detail. So the universe is arranged a little bit differently than they thought. So what? The fact that the earth revolves around the sun isn’t incompatible with Christianity/Catholicism, as evidenced by the fact that most Christians/Catholics accept it today.
If I’m teaching some kid in Timbuktu how to read, on behalf of the church, and I get news that the earth actually revolves around the sun, do I just stop teaching that kid how to read? Would you? If you were incorrect about one minute aspect about your beliefs, would you suddenly stop caring about everything you previously cared about? I don’t see this as an accurate description of human behavior.