Genocide in Gaza? Part II

All Palestinians are “hamas”.

There, easy. Now Israel can genocide them in peace.

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The men should have let their women and children leave, along with the 25% non-Hamas Gazans… so they must [obviously] live by the rule ‘if the men stay/die, we all stay/die’. :woman_shrugging:

Israel’s holy crusade to purge the lands around them of extremely dangerous men, women and children forced out of their homes and fleeing for their very lives.

Makes perfect sense. If this were an Orwell novel.

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Both sides responsible, for their very-questionable actions/decisions.

Not sure what kind of responsibility they have for being mass bombed, mass murdered and having their lands stolen from them. Gaza was already the world’s largest open-air prison and the people there were already starved and oppressed before this even happened. Over time their lands have been slowly taken from them step by step they they are increasingly forced into smaller more controlled, militarized spaces against their will.

Why? Because they have no military, no air force, no tanks, very little in terms of a functioning economy and not very much money. Compare that to Israel which gets its hundreds of billions of dollars from its subservient slave America and has a huge military, air force, tanks, and nuclear weapons on top of that. Then the funniest part is when, given this situation of immense power difference, Israel acts like they are the victim in the relationship.

People should really study the history here, the plight of Palestinian Christians, Muslims and others in the area since 1948 ever since almost a million of them were murdered and the rest kicked out so Jews could steal the land and build their state of Israel there. That was American and European military forces working with the international Zionists based on the Balfour agreement, which Britain signed because Jews in America promised to get America into WW2 to save them from Germany. Which they did, American indeed was brought into the war because of Pearl Harbor (which was allowed to happen) as well as a big shift in how media was reporting on the war. Yet before 1948 and for the previous 1000+ years that was land inhabited by Arabs. Including Arab Christians, by the way.

The fate and persecution of Arab Christians including families, women and children in the Palestine region, not just now but over the last 80 years, is something that so-called Christians in the west seem to know nothing about, and are quite content to remain ignorant on so they can continue supporting Israel’s genocide, tyranny and mass murder. Why? Because the American media and politicians say we should. And you ever wonder why they are always pushing that idea?

An Israeli court on Wednesday rejected a new request by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to delay testifying at his corruption trial, ruling that he must take the stand next month even as the country is at war in Gaza and Lebanon.

The spectacle of a sitting prime minister defending himself against graft charges is likely to further polarize Israelis, and Mr. Netanyahu’s legal troubles have long split the country. His supporters claim that a liberal deep state is trying to oust him by judicial means after failing to do so at the ballot box, and his opponents have called on him to resign, with some accusing him of prolonging the fighting and the case to keep himself in power and out of jail. /NYT

At least in appearance, unlike Trump, Netanyahu is not above the law.

Why has there not already been an international war crimes tribunal setup to prosecute Israeli leaders and the American politicians who have directly funded Israel’s genocide?

I am already aware of all that, for some years now… like any well-informed person on the planet is.
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Responsible, in keeping themselves alive… coz the enemy certainly doesn’t care about that, in wanting to achieve their goal.

How is that not apparent?

I dunno, so many people cannot see it, they support mass murder and genocide of little kids and mothers and innocent civilian men, fathers and brothers and sons. Who have been robbed and beaten and killed already for almost a century, at the hands of those who shall not be named including by Trump and all his supposed independent media supporters.

Trump is totally beholden to them. Do not expect ANY real change. But sure, this movie is pretty entertaining. We all stars of this new netflix series called “human politics and what people think is the real life”

The state of Israel teaches its people to hate Palestinians, with a pure passion of real hate and ethnic disgust. That is a fact. It mirrors so much of the jewhate in the arab world. Both sides, behaving like insane fucking animals. Meanwhile the truly great and possible get ground to dust and no one seems to notice.

You see those videos of israelis teaching their kids to stomp on and destroy food aid meant for Palestine? You ever look up interviews with jewish people about how Israel indoctrinates its people with pure hatred of them? Or look into white slavery in Israel? This shit is real. Which is not to say there is not also truth and right on the other side, although not those aspects of course. But those who are complacent and complicit in evils because of rationalizations… will only sacrifice their own imperative.

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Is this the final leg of the plan, for Gaza…


Professor Landau, could you briefly explain what the “Generals’ Plan” entails?

The “Generals’ Plan” was disclosed last September. Its goal is to empty northern Gaza of its some 300,000-strong population—about a third of Gaza’s total population. In the first phase, the Israeli army would inform everyone in the area that they have one week to evacuate southward via two humanitarian corridors. In the second phase, after this week, the entire area would be declared a “closed military zone.” Anyone remaining would be considered an enemy combatant and killed unless they surrendered. A total siege would then be imposed on the entire area, further isolating it and intensifying the food and health crisis.

Professor, General Eiland’s proposed plan was presented to the government last April and not fully approved. Why do you think it’s now being implemented? What ongoing military actions would prove this? more…


Yes and imagine these people and most people have no idea about the actual history in the area. So insane.

To witness an actual genocide of millions, and nothing comes of it, no response and none of the “caring Christians” raised one finger in protest against it.

Then comes the moment we realize Trump is beholden to Israel just like all other US politicians.

…and. Truth begins to sink in.

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The U.S. vetoed a Gaza cease-fire resolution

The U.S. today vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution that called for an immediate cease-fire between Israel and Hamas. All 14 other members of the Council voted to approve it.

The Americans said they had vetoed the resolution because it did not make the cease-fire contingent on the release of the hostages held in Gaza. The resolution does call for their release, but the wording suggests it would come only after a cease-fire was implemented.

THE HAGUE (AP) — The world’s top war-crimes court issued arrest warrants Thursday for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, his former defense minister and Hamas’ military chief, accusing them of crimes against humanity in connection with the 13-month war in Gaza.

The warrants said there was reason to believe Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant have used “starvation as a method of warfare” by restricting humanitarian aid and have intentionally targeted civilians in Israel’s campaign against Hamas in Gaza — charges Israeli officials deny.

The action by the International Criminal Court came as the death toll from Israel’s campaign in Gaza passed 44,000 people, according to local health authorities, who say more than half of those killed were women and children. Their count does not differentiate between civilians and combatants.

If Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal, then, Joseph Biden is an accessory to the crime.

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Hungary vetoes International Court action

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Who would arrest Netanyahu? ICC warrant for Israeli leader draws a global dividing line

Hungary pledged Friday to defy the International Criminal Court, breaking with many of its European neighbors.

Nov. 22, 2024, 9:45 AM EST

The arrest warrant against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu forced a reckoning Friday for the U.S. ally’s global status more than a year after it launched its devastating war in Gaza.

The warrants — also issued for former Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Hamas military chief Mohammed Deif — drew a diplomatic dividing line between countries who vowed to back the International Criminal Court and those who pledged to defy it.

While he faces accusations of war crimes and crimes against humanity for leading his country’s assault on the Palestinian enclave, Netanyahu is unlikely to be in handcuffs any time soon — as long as he avoids trips to Ireland and the Netherlands, who all made clear they would arrest him if he visits.

Hungary, in contrast, promised not to arrest the Israeli leader. Its strongman leader Viktor Orbán sent a letter condemning the decision and inviting Netanyahu for an official visit on which he promised to “ensure your safety and freedom.”

The Israeli leader praised Hungary, who he said had “like our friends in the U.S.,” shown “moral clarity and steadfastness on the side of justice and the truth.” He contrasted this to what he called the “shameful weakness of those who have lined up alongside the outrageous decision.”

The White House said Thursday that President Joe Biden’s administration was “deeply concerned by the prosecutor’s rush to seek arrest warrants and the troubling process errors that led to this decision.”

Neither Israel nor the U.S. recognizes the jurisdiction of the ICC, which is based in The Hague, Netherlands, and has no police to enforce its warrants.

Under the Rome statute that created the ICC, its signatories are obliged to carry out arrest warrants, no matter the rank of the accused. But most governments also abide by the international legal principle that heads of state have legal immunity from other courts.

The court said in its statement that there was reason to believe that Netanyahu and Gallant used “starvation as a method of warfare” by restricting humanitarian aid and intentionally targeting civilians in Israel’s campaign in Gaza — charges Israeli officials dismissed as false and antisemitic.

The arrest warrants were announced on the same day that the death toll in the enclave passed 44,000, according to local officials, and followed mounting international condemnation over the dire humanitarian situation in the Palestinian enclave. The World Health Organization has warned that northern Gaza is at imminent risk of famine, while health organizations have deemed it necessary to vaccinate hundreds of thousands of children for polio in recent months.

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Israel launched its campaign following the Oct. 7, 2023, terror attack in which Israeli officials said some 1,200 people were killed and around 250 taken hostage, a major escalation in the decadeslong conflict.

Mohammed Deif was accused of crimes against humanity and war crimes, including for his role as a mastermind of Oct. 7.

Some European countries have not said whether they would arrest Netanyahu if he visited, including a number of Israeli allies.

​Britain respects the independence of the ICC, Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s spokesperson said, but did not say whether Britain would arrest Netanyahu.

France restated its commitment to the court’s independence and said its response would align with the statutes of the court, but a spokesperson for its foreign ministry did not explicitly say how Paris would act.

The German government noted its role in drafting the ICC statutes but also its relationship with Israel, vowing to “carefully examine” the next steps.

Others, including Sweden and Norway, were also noncommittal.

Some appeared split, with both Austrian and Czech governments promising to uphold their obligations to the ICC while senior officials criticized the arrest warrants.

Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala called the ICC decision “unfortunate,” saying on X late on Thursday that it “undermines its authority in other cases when it equates the elected representatives of a democratic state with the leaders of an Islamist terrorist organization.” Austrian Foreign Minister Alexander Schallenberg said the warrants being issues was absurd.

Countries across the Middle East also praised and backed the court, as did South Africa, which has accused Israel of genocide in Gaza at the International Court of Justice. Israel and the U.S. deny those charges.

Pope Francis, in comments published Sunday that were some of his most explicit criticism yet of Israel’s conduct, suggested that the global community should study whether Israel’s military campaign in Gaza constitutes a genocide of the Palestinian people.

Netanyahu and the other two Israelis facing the arrest warrants join a group that includes Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has been subject to an ICC arrest warrant over alleged war crimes in Ukraine since last year.

Yes, we get to see which political leaders are puppets for Isreal, and which if any still have some balls.

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Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Mahatma Gandhi

Silly platitudes… typical non-issues.

Talk some truths bro. This be the real world, not some coffee table book.

Innocent people dying by the thousands and you wanna quote silly aged platitudes. Not surprising, but still.

When you noobs gonna wake the fuck up. This is REALITY. There is no time for bullshits and mental laziness. You wanna talk that, go back to sesame street.

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This seems to be a war against Middle-Eastern terrorists Vs the rest of the world… so eradicating terrorism, permanently.

Suspected high-ranking members of a Channel migrant smuggling gang have been arrested during raids in France and Germany.

Investigators believe the “sophisticated” Iraqi organised crime network bought inflatable dinghies in Turkey and stored them in German warehouses, before transporting them to the French coast.

“We believe the action undertaken here will have significantly degraded a people smuggling network impacting the UK, which has been directly responsible for putting lives at risk in boats on the Channel.

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The evidence to support that… :point_down:t3:


SUNDAY, DECEMBER 1, 2024

Editorial: Syria’s reigniting civil war has been kept simmering by the Nato powers

Opposition forces take control of areas outside Aleppo, Syria, November 29, 2024

REIGNITED civil war in Syria is down to destabilising shockwaves from Israel’s wars of aggression in the Middle East and the malign role of Nato powers in shielding the jihadist forces in Idlib now terrorising Aleppo.

There is no ignoring the overlapping alliances which shape this conflict. Syria is allied to Iran, which Israel has repeatedly attacked, including through bombing an Iranian consulate in Syria itself. Both are allied to Hezbollah, which has fought on the Bashar al-Assad government’s side in the civil war and which Israel seeks to crush by invading Lebanon.

It does not follow that every outbreak of violence in the region is part of a master plan, but perceptions that Hezbollah and Iran have been weakened by Israeli attacks will have encouraged the terrorist regime in Idlib to reopen hostilities.

And it is a terrorist regime, though Western reportage since the civil war began 13 years ago has been coy about the nature of Syria’s opposition.

The Idlib-based Syrian Salvation Government is dominated by Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), itself a merger of a number of al-Qaida-affiliated Islamist groups, including Jaysh al-Sunna, whose recruitment of child soldiers was exposed in 2016, and Nour al-din al-Zinki, notorious for filming the beheading of a 12-year-old Palestinian boy in the same year.

Ahrar al-Sham, the largest of the groups, has been nicknamed the Syrian Taliban and its rule is just as repressive. An EU asylum agency briefing noted in 2020 that “the jihadist coalition HTS has been responsible for the repressive social norms and policies against female residents … resulting in further violations including executions, corporal punishments, restrictions of freedom of movement, of dress, on work, education and on access to healthcare.”

The open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary forces in Syria has continued in the country’s north-west to date through the illegal presence of Nato armies on Syrian soil.

It is the presence of the Turkish army that has stopped Syria’s military stamping out the last bastion of jihadist rule in the country, just as it is the presence of the US military in the north-east which has prevented reintegration of Kurdish areas.

The official rationale for stationing troops in Syria against its will is to prevent a revival of the Islamic State terror group, though once-and-future president Donald Trump was more honest when he stated the US was in Syria “only for the oil,” hundreds of thousands of barrels of which have been illegally exported via Iraqi Kurdistan — with Damascus estimating revenues lost to this theft at hundreds of billions of dollars.

This underlines the hypocrisy of US officials now blaming Assad for failing to engage in a “political process” to end the war. The process has been prevented by foreign occupying armies.

Assad too has his foreign allies, and Russian bombers are again conducting air raids over rebel-held territory: if HTS assumed Russia was too overstretched in Ukraine to engage (the apparently accurate assumption of Azerbaijan when it marched past Russian peacekeepers to drive the entire Armenian population out of Nagorno-Karabakh last year) it may have miscalculated.

That only emphasises the potential of Syria’s war to draw in great powers, powers which are now far closer to direct conflict than in the war’s earlier stages. The spread of war across the Middle East comes at a huge cost in human lives, and increases the number of flashpoints for a new world war.

The answer must be to redouble our efforts for peace. These wars cannot be considered in isolation.

Stopping Israel’s genocide in Gaza and attacks on Lebanon, prioritising a ceasefire and negotiations to end great power conflict in Ukraine, and demanding British pressure on our Nato ally Turkey to stop its jihadist allies rampaging through Syria are related priorities for the peace movement.


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Will the revolutionists use their win wisely, and also ensure that the Christians are not continued to be victimised.

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Assad’s plane has disappeared from the Skys… it is not yet known whether it crashed or was shot down.

Assad escaped to Moscow following Russian invite.The fear is compounded by Israel’ intent to seize territory in the Golan Heights between Syria and Israel, a vacuum asking to be filled.

Basic fears associated with the spread to other Arab lands, can not help matters from the point of view of both ‘peace loving people’ and putting into increased doubt of a somehow related and sought after peace agreement in the Ukrain theater.

To wit

IDEAS

KHAMENEI LOSES EVERYTHING

The October 7 attack on Israel has now cost Iran its regional proxy forces.

DECEMBER 08, 2024

When Hamas’s Yahya Sinwar launched Operation Al-Aqsa Flood against Israel on October 7, 2023, he intended to deal a decisive blow against a powerful nation-state—and he succeeded. But the state his attack has devastated turned out to be Israel, not Iran, his key sponsor.

It is a persistent folly of progressive thought to believe that wars do not achieve meaningful political consequences. The past 15 months in the Middle East suggest otherwise. After suffering terribly on October 7, Israel has pulverized Hamas, ending the threat it posed as an organized military force. The challenge it now faces in Gaza is a humanitarian and administrative crisis, not a security one. Israel has likewise shattered Hezbollah in Lebanon, forcing it to accept a cease-fire after losing not only thousands of foot soldiers but much of its middle management and senior leadership. Meanwhile, Vladimir Putin’s brutal but botched war of conquest in Ukraine has undermined his other strategic goals. In Syria, Russia’s one solid foothold in the Middle East, the war in Ukraine has leached away Russian forces, depriving it of the ability to influence events.

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All of this set the stage for the dramatic events of the past two weeks, as Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), a Sunni fundamentalist militia, spearheaded the seizure of Aleppo, Hama, Homs, and Damascus and brought about the overthrow and collapse of Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria. Neither Tehran nor Moscow could do anything about it.

The biggest loser in all of this—after Assad, his family, his cronies, and possibly his Alawite sect—is Iran. Decades of patient work assembling proxy movements throughout the Middle East, specifically but not exclusively focused on Israel, have collapsed. Hamas was never a cat’s paw of Tehran, but it received weapons and training from Iran, and coordinated with Hezbollah, a far more formidable force, and one much more tightly aligned with, if not always entirely controlled by, Iran. Hezbollah had helped turn the tide of battle that had flowed against the Assad regime from 2012 onwards. It kept a force of 5,000 to 10,000 men in Syria at the height of its commitment, but they were not alone. Iran organized and trained thousands more in dozens of militias, including a Syrian Hezbollah, and various Shiite groups from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. All of them are now on the run.

Iran is a strong state, in the sense that its people are deeply rooted in a shared history and culture, but it has a relatively weak military. It has invested heavily in proxy warfare with notable success, including against the United States in Iraq. But with the defeats of Hamas and Hezbollah, and with the collapse of the Assad regime, Iran has suffered irrecoverable losses. It no longer has a land route to Lebanon; it has lost its most disciplined, well-armed, and effective proxies; and it failed in its two attempts to attack Israel directly while losing its main air defenses in a retaliatory strike.

Russia, too, has suffered a major loss. The Russian installations at the port of Tartus and at Hmeimim air base were built over decades; it is hard to imagine that Russia will continue to operate from them. It has attempted to secure naval access to the port of Tobruk, in Libya, but has yet to develop the infrastructure there that it once had in Syria. Russia, like Iran, has been humiliated by its client’s collapse, and it, too, now faces an enduring hostility from a Syrian population that it helped suppress, with a savagery that foreshadowed its behavior in Ukraine.

If there is a winner here it is Turkey, which has supported, although not entirely controlled, HTS—its own proxy force, the Syrian National Army, has spent more time attacking Kurdish militias in Syria’s east than fighting Assad. Still, Syria’s various groups, including the victorious HTS, know that Turkey will be the dominant external power. The victory of HTS not only presents Turkey with an opportunity to return 3 million Syrian refugees from Turkish camps but also extends Turkish influence along neo-Ottoman lines. It will be interesting to see whether Turkey takes the momentum of this victory to attack Kurdish forces in Syria and Iraq or to secure a stronger hold on Libya, where it backs the official government. In Libya, too, Turkey has pitted itself against an overextended Russia, which supports the rebellious warlord Khalifa Haftar.

Israel, although wary both of fundamentalists on its border and of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s Turkey, can nonetheless be pleased at the isolation of Hezbollah and Russia’s eviction from the Levant. It has some reason to think that the rival Syrian factions will be focused on one another and their nation’s internal problems, and that they will have little appetite for attacking a state that proved considerably stronger and more resilient than it appeared on October 8. Israel, in any case, has a long history of establishing relationships with various ethnic and religious groups in Syria and Lebanon, which effectively no longer exist as states.

As for the United States, it was irrelevant to most but not all of this drama. Its Kurdish allies in the east of Syria, backed by fewer than 1,000 U.S. Special Forces personnel, played a small role in this war, but continue to play a much larger one in the containment of the remnants of the Islamic State.

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All of this presents an amazing, and amazingly complicated, set of political circumstances. But even as the fog of war hangs over Syria’s shattered cities—we still do not know, for example, whether Bashar al-Assad got away—some things are clear.

The first is that deeply unpopular authoritarian regimes tend to be far more fragile than they look. Few saw the sudden collapse of the Assad regime coming. Other authoritarian states, including Iran itself, may now become more tractable in dealing with foreign powers, and more paranoid internally.

The ubiquity of surprise in war is a lesson learned and relearned every few years, as is the centrality of the intangibles—organization, planning, the will to fight, leadership—in assessing military power. Had one studied the latest International Institute of Strategic Studies’ “Military Balance” entry on Syria, for example, one would not have guessed that a militia it estimated at 10,000 members would overthrow a military of 130,000, backed by thousands of auxiliaries from Hezbollah and other militias, as well as 4,000 Russian troops. But so it happened.

Although wars may eliminate one set of problems or strategic circumstances, they usually create a new set. In this case, Iran has lost several of its claws, but others remain. After suffering a series of heavy defeats, the regime has to be terrified—not least because, according to a recent federal indictment, it also plotted to assassinate President-Elect Donald Trump. That may cause it to seek to accommodate the United States, and there are already some hints to that effect. At the same time, Iran’s strategic exposure and vulnerability give it strong incentives to acquire nuclear weapons.

Finally, the United States has again been frustrated in its long-standing desire, which dates back to the Obama administration, to leave the Middle East. The Biden administration’s calls for a cease-fire in Syria were pointless and ineffectual. Along with its failure to anticipate the collapse of our Afghan allies in 2021, and its inability to do more in Ukraine than provide enough weapons to prevent Kyiv’s defeat, it shows what happens when strategic thought withers into good intentions and wishful thinking.

On Saturday, Trump himself weighed in on these events. “Syria is a mess, but is not our friend, & THE UNITED STATES SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT,” he wrote. “THIS IS NOT OUR FIGHT. LET IT PLAY OUT. DO NOT GET INVOLVED!” But that call to stay out of Syria ignores our military presence there, and offers no answer to the question of what to do about our Kurdish allies and their thousands of ISIS prisoners. But the incoming administration also faces a much bigger problem: If Iran does indeed choose to sprint for nuclear weapons, Trump’s White House will have to decide whether to call in the heavy bombers and forestall that move, which would trigger a landslide of nuclear proliferation well beyond the Persian Gulf. And it might face that decision very early on.

To paraphrase a famous aphorism, we may not be interested in the Middle East, but the Middle East is interested in us. The events of the past weeks may yet lead Trump to conclude that this is really not the best time to begin a witch hunt for wokesters in the U.S. military. And, if he is confirmed as secretary of defense, Pete Hegseth may yet learn that female pilots can drop bombs with the best of them.

Eliot Cohen is a contributing writer at The Atlantic. He is a professor emeritus at Johns Hopkins University and the author of The Hollow Crown: Shakespeare on How Leaders Rise, Rule, and Fall.

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