Getting to the bottom of spirituality

Note this is not a religious thread but a spiritual one.

Realistically, for many of us, the end of our lives will be one where we are stuck in a bed and dying. We will most likely be in pads and have our bottoms wiped. We will most likely also have a catheter.

At this point in our lives, what is it that will help us?

In this situation, I would rather be alone than surrounded by people who feel sad around me. The best case scenario for me would be for there to be happy people around me.

I think this would help me. As I believe it helps me, I try to be happy around people when they are dying. I believe I have had positive responses from these people. They showed that even in extreme pain they can laugh, smile and be happy (even if it only for a few moments).

What will help you when you need to have your bottom wiped as you are dying?

I agree. I want positive people around me in the situation you describe.

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If you do not have positive people around you would you rather die alone?

Yes!

How does that make you feel? Dying alone sounds scary to me.

I do not mind being alone.

Loneliness is not an issue in your life?

There are only two options available for that. One is your family and the other one is hired help, either by money or sponsored by the state. And, if one does not have either of those, he will have to die alone.

The fact of the matter is that human are far more dependent on other humans in comparison or other species. Forget about difficult times like infants or aged persons, we cannot live alone even in good times. There cannot be any good time alone possible ever. One needs some others to share his/her feelings, which can be trusted.

That is why the family is necessary for a happy society. If this institution would break down completely, society can never be happy, no matter how much progress it would make in other verticals. Everyone would feel something missing in his/her life forever.

with love,
sanjay

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Forget being alone.

Yes, it certainly is.
It is even more scary that most of us can imagine. Only such person, who is going through it, can understand how horrible it can be.

with love,
sanjay

I agree that it is incredibly hard to be alone even in good times let alone bad times. I watched a documentary on the construction of prisons in the US. They said that they have to allow prisoners to socialise despite this increasing the risk of gangs and riots. They said a person alone and without hope is a very dangerous person in that they tend to develop very unstable minds.

I still would rather be alone then surrounded by unhappy people. But… I doubt my capacity to do this when faced with the reality of dying alone. I might imagine that the pain of being alone will be greater than the pain of being surrounded by unhappy people. In the end I would probably want anyone by my side - no matter who they are.

Artimas, You need to forget about such things. When that time comes, all these things would not help much, unless you are a serious and devoted meditator. And, such cases are rare, very rare.

with love,
sanjay

Very rare indeed.

I don’t care either way, I just don’t want pain. I live in pain everyday, it would be nice if dying had none. But, pipe dreams are pipe dreams, unless I get awesome drugs.

Who will give you the drugs to deny you of your pain?

I live with pain everyday too (back pain) but I do not mind the pain. I would rate it as 7 to 9, and sometimes 10, out of 10.

I meditate every day. When I sleep. :smiley:

I do not think you understand what meditation means. Can you recall your sleep states? Or are they a period of unconsciousness/intoxication.

Yes I know what meditation is. I was joking. I can remember dreams usually. Like last night I had a pretty weird dream.