Gobbo on Free Will - Advancing Kane

Every once and a while my mind will produce something of the serious philosophical nature and so… here it is.

When Robert Kane talks about responsibility indeterminism he does so with a particular concern more on the motives, grounds or conditions for a particular agent’s action rather than the alternate possibilities for such. In this assertion he uncovered the nature of free will but unfortunately he does not elaborate enough. The purpose of this essay is to build on the Libertarian philosophy to provide a more technical precursor to the modern philosophy. Kane claims that it is through the alternate possibilities of an instance he calls a ‘Self Forming Act’ (or an SFA) that we gain the responsibility we seem to be ever searching for. In other words if we have an instance in which there is an agent who did not have sufficient cause or motive for an action then the act is undetermined. So for example if a particular woman is unable to decide whether she wants to stop to help a person in need or save her job by continuing on not stopping, then in that instance her will is not already set and the act is undetermined. Likewise if an agent finds themselves rummaging through the fridge the agents will is already set and that act is determined but free nonetheless. It is a free act because it follows from the motives and sufficient cause already established through a previous undetermined act, the Self Forming Act. This is the nature of the SFA, it is present to stop the infinite regression back to birth when the search for responsibility and free will comes knocking. It should be noted however, that not all undetermined acts are self forming acts. For instance if I intend to type a certain sentence but my fingers slip, the act is undetermined because the mistake is another possibility from what was intended, but it was not the result of my motives and reasons. Kane’s theory seems to make a lot of sense in regular language but it lacks a real world application as it seems to simply disregard science for its duration. How can we really tell when our motives or conditions are not sufficient for a determined act? In this following an expansion of Kane’s argument will connect the quantum trend he seems to be following with his views on free will by analyzing the Heisenberg phenomenon with a Panpsychistic proposal.

Under the contemporary scientific physics scenario the atomic model seemed to indicate a causal system which boiled down to some defined fundamental laws or principals. Kane steps in during the advent of quantum mechanics; the predecessor, the atomic model is replaced by a new probabilistic framework which is loose and seems to be more of a chaotic swerving rather than any real causal system. At this point matter simply pops in and out of existence, seemingly randomly, but following a slight swerving pattern. Quantum is interesting to hear at first, but now we run into another problem: How does chaotic swerving give us any more of a real free will compared to the mechanistic atomist conception? To answer this question we can look to what is known as ‘The Heisenberg Principal’; it states that when dealing with quantum level particles they behave in such a way that quantum matter seems to act like a wave when not in observation, but upon inspection what appeared like a wave is now behaving like a particle. This type of behavior has an add characteristic about it, and that is that our consciousness seems to outside of what we perceive to be matter. If we are affecting matter with our observations, then it seems to indicate that consciousness is in effect an observer.

Panpsychism is theory which posits a unified theory of consciousness somehow inherent to all matter. So, for instance, instead of the view that consciousness exists outside of matter somehow as a byproduct of the brain (epiphenomenalism) Panpsychism would claim that all matter somehow has an element of consciousness as part of it, a ‘uniform’ expression throughout the world so to speak. With this in mind let us recall the Heisenberg principal. Perhaps the reason we have such a hard time observing matter at its smallest scale is because it is the threshold for consciousness. The popping in and out of ‘existence’ refers to thought becoming matter, and then matter back into thought. This is what gives rise to the possibility of the Self Forming Act for Kane. To explain this statement we must look at the way in which this Panpsychism operates. We appear as individual entities because our collective consciousness manifests reality at a certain dimensional position so as for matter to be an ‘interpretation’ of thought in a certain way. This is why we appear to be a reader and a writer in different positions, instead of a bunch of molecules in a specific temporal space. This is why our perspective or individual consciousness only senses about one millionth of the information that is actually around us at all times. Perspective, and hence what appears like our individual consciousness can be seen as a sliding scale as part of this universal consciousness. For instance a giant alien who is say, the size of the galaxy is going to have a different conception of time which would be much different from our own, as similarly if we imagine the various cells in our bodies as little ‘creatures’ in this regard it paints a better, two way picture of this intelligence spectrum. We’ve evolved intellectually and shaped our reality to create artificial intelligence just as the cells in our body evolved to give rise to the brain as we know it. Consciousness is the force that drives time forward, in other words all creatures and things have a certain perspective, but not all perspectives would be viewed as ‘intelligent’ by us. This is not to say that they are not, simply that we have a narrow viewpoint on intelligence thus far. Things like chemistry, electricity; they are simply the land markers to tell us what sort of dimension we are all viewing from the same universal source.

The aforementioned theory on consciousness deals with the mind/body problem that Kane appears to shy away from, but it also fits in with his indeterminism quite well. If we look at decisions we see that under this new framework they are a much more flexible concept. For instance if we see the physical laws as solid in the sense that they are the ‘language’ for our relative spatial location (our universe), then the world is determined in the sense that if you walk off a cliff, you will fall to your death, stopping the human perspective from operating according to the natural laws (no brain electricity, no perspective). Keep in mind that the singular consciousness framework is shattered so the will for a particular event to manifest is shared by every perspective. Areas of a discrepancy in universal perspectives can seem like indecision or great contemplation, or what Kane would call a SFA. Settling on a particular decision could be described as a particularly complex interpretation of a thought, or potential. For the most part though, we ‘agree’, hence the probabilistic quantum swerve that is mostly random, but also follows a certain trend. Collectively we work out all our problems in a sort of general agreement of how we want the universe to progress. This agreement involves the interpretation of some of Kane’s ‘set wills’ and simultaneously the interpretation of the resolve between undecided wills to produce the world we see.

The Panpsychism works under Kane’s system because it allows for the general play out of the world while still allowing for choices in the contemporary sense. In other words if we accept the world and reality as the collective language we use as a consciousness then we see that for the most part we are on a temporal ‘cruise control’ where most things like muscle twitches and normal human reactions are not free actions in the sense that they need to happen for things to carry on according to some degree of similarity and agreement. When it comes to what appears like an important personal decision however, or as Kane would call it, a SFA, the act is free in the sense that is not so much do with the language we are using, but with that kind of story were are trying to tell. It is in this way we find the responsibility we are looking for, even if it is collectively. It is in this way that we are reading what we have written so far, and then continuing on with the story, all of us co-authors of a universal story written in the quantum language.

So my decision to have a chip-buttie for tea was all quantum…? Schroedinger’s lunch-box…? My butter knife is only a butter knife because its probability wave collapsed that way…?

Maybe I got lost along the way OG, but somehow I can see some cavemen in my head saying “Yeah mate well - yer see - free will - it all boils down to fire-theory.” And then a few well-dressed Victorian gents saying “Well Quentin - it’s all about steam-theory dontchaknow.”

Nice essay - but can you decode the tough bits for the people in the stupid corner…? Namely me…?

Hah!

Aporia,

Why the edit?

Tab,

I’ll get back to you

From your text I assume you hold some dualist interactionist view. I tend to differ from the Lockean idea that the mind and body can influence each other. I feel the mind can influence the body but the body cannot influence the mind. Actions initiated by the mind and applied by the body fall in the realm of indeterminate choice, or SFA. I think you hold the same position. But, do you see ALL other action as predetermined, not in net effect but rather in intention? You spoke of “cruise control”. Are you referring to behavior, stimulus response decision, controlled by the physical brain? This is the opinion I hold. I feel that the only “choice” an individual can make must be free of physical stimulus. For me, physical stimulus includes brain states enacted through emotion; fear, love, etc. Whether or not the emotion is warranted by condition is irrelevant. If a rabid dog is running towards me I will become scared, but someone telling me a rabid dog is behind a door he is about to open will also scare me even if he is being false. The mind can override the brain, but since the choice still has, in some way, been influenced by the brain I currently suspend judgment on whether or not this choice is free or not. Do you think it is possible, theoretically, to stay on behavior driven cruise control your entire life? Does this destroy free will? Would this, in effect, mean that free will, in and of itself, is a choice?

Sorry I’ve been swamped lately… 3 essays in 4 days.

I’ll get back to everyone as soon as I finish up this damn internet ethics paper.

Tab,

Hopefully what I write to asbelow will help.

Asbelow,

I suscribe to a a priori collective consciousness; I think the thing you might be having trouble with is that under this view (I don’t want to call it mine as something like it has to have been proposed) all ‘bodily’ input is still happening after the fact. Try to imagine it as ILP as a group writing a novel. Quantum, which gives way to classical atomist, which gives way to cellular, etc, could be described as the language we’d be using for this novel. So if we want to write ‘Gobbo walks to the store’ we see that the choice to walk to the store is a choice, but it involves some factors which are sort of collectively chosen. This is what I talk about when I say cruise control, because we don’t really have to think about what the letters are doing as they are sitting on the page, rather what they are saying.

Now, free will exists for the collective, but what the individual posses is what Neitzsche calls the will to power. It is not so much you can choose to do something, but rather influence the group to go along with you. The ‘will’ isn’t so much sitting around all day with your fists clenched thinking ‘I -will- fly’ but rather comes from inspection of yourself, or introspection if you will. Consciousness is simply a point of view, perspective; so you see that really you are simply examing the ‘space’ closest to the perspective you inhabit for the group. The more you know about that space the more power you have to manipulate more of this temporal spatial area.

In other words if you’re a stupid crackhead you are largly being influenced by other people’s wills rather than your own. The blind need and desire for a physical stimulus can be conceptualized as someone largely unfamiliar with english trying to write a simple sentance.

The upside is that if you posses a will to power which rivals the many you see some advanteges. For instance in the documentary/movie ‘What the *^#@ do we know?’ these cutting edge physics geniuses talk of waking up and actually envisioning how they want their day to go and then actually seeing something close to their desire. What they don’t explain is that it is because they are so knowledable about physics that they, the observer, can influence the story as it is being written.

For the physics doctors their will is in a general way but I believe ‘power’, if we’re going to use that tainted term, can be gained through anything really. Any time you specialize in something you are really specializing in a certain aspect of your almagamation of habits - in other words, yourself. You can’t know ‘you’ in its whole sense, its impossible, the you that is staring at the woman’s breasts is not the same you that is reading this text.

In the end the route you take in life is the route you take to know yourself. How far you make it down the path is determined by your will, not by how long you live.

Ok, a few quick things.

Miracles - really really really clever rhetoric.

Love - desire for that collective basically, it’s that feeling you feel when you die… why most people seem to see that something which relaxes them. It’s love… it’s everyone. How can you be pissed off at dying when you see the most beautiful face you’ve ever born witness to. As your personality, individuality fades so does this face. Until all you’re left with is that unseparable feeling.

Hate - Not sure actually… .I just farted and it sort of interrupted my thought process. Any ideas?

blah… my brain hurts. It’s amazing what I can spew out after a night of drinking though.

50 cent drinks people. 50 cent drinks…

Or the exact opposite.

“The living is dead/ and the dead is alive.” -Sophocles(?)

Your essay is scary OG. I like it better when matter is dead; this reminds me of Noth American Native spirituality. I’m gonna have nightmares now. I wish I hadn’t read this. You really upset my nice cold stable world view.

before anyone decides wether ones will can be free there should be a consenses on what exactly ones will is. i think of my will as my decision making capacity paired with my environment. my will is nothing more than my awareness of my environment and my goals. before i try to act(limited by my potential) on my goals i evaluate my environment and decide wether my goal is executable(also limited by my potential)
there has to be a distinction made between a decision and an opinion. a decision is an action taken in relation to my current environment, an opinion is a purely mental decision. people shouldn’t confuse a freedom “to” will, with
a freedom “of” will. id say that free will can only exist in the mind, the moment we try to act on this will our potential limitations come into play. so as to the question of wether “free will” exists? that depends on what you think
you can class as having existance.

looking for some constructive criticizm, i’m still new to this so any flaws that can be pointed out in my thoughts would be appreciated .

Like it OG, the idea of our central “I” being but one voice amongst the crowd. And ‘exercice of will’ being the volume of the voice when it tries to make itself heard.

And I can see how atomic theory could lead to a deterministic view, and quantum to a more flexible appraisal.

Good essay.

Why thank you

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