"God" as a language:

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

I especially would like Uccisore to read this, as I’ve come here to hopefully reconciel, just a bit.

There is a creative force, mechanism or process that resulted in the existence of organic life on earth.

Some people call this Gods will or works.
Other people call this the works of evolution.

But, “evolution” and “God” are both different words & conceptualizations of the same, more complex, and deeper universal function which could create intelligence.

Some persons believe that the creator of intelligence is less intelligent than what it has created. And that is the blind watch-maker.

Some persons believe that the creator of intelligence is more intelligent than it. And that is the view of the creator as a conscious entity.

It may be seen as all-mighty, transcendent, and external,
Or, it may be see as internal, primordial, etc.

Often, when people use the word “God”, it may be emediately taken or interpretated by critics as a sort of absolute, and not an effort towards describing more abstract attributes of higher creative power, etc.

No matter what language, method or code is used in order to relate to this higher creative power, it does exist, and no matter whether someone personifies or systemizes it, its existence and works are proofs of themselves.

As usual, if someone speaks a foriegn language, the listener would not be able to understand it, and they’d say: “That’s nonsense!”, or, they would say nothing at all, for they did not understand it.

Well, same applies to the languages which persons codify around the ever-changing forces of nature.

This language barrier becomes the difference in view, belief, theory. But, the very thing which they all view, is still the same, it’s just ones have different ways of looking at it.

Hopefully, a hand full of people can see passed this language-berrier, into a unified realism that is neither “science” nor “religion”. The next step in relating to the source of present reality, as it were.

[Uccisore]

You might be onto something with the language barrier bit, but I’m having a hard time seeing God and Evolution as being the two expressions of the same thing. To the limited degree that I understand both God and evolution, I have no problem picturing them both existing the same world, and one not being an expression of the other. Saying God and evolution are two ways of understanding the same thing would be like saying rain and toast are two ways of understanding the same thing. Far as I can tell, they are just two things. I don’t have a problem with evolution, or see myself in some opposition to it, or see God as an alternative to something that evolutionary theory is providing.

[illativemindindeed]

@Uccisore

You might be onto something with the language barrier bit, but I’m having a hard time seeing God and Evolution as being the two expressions of the same thing. To the limited degree that I understand both God and evolution, I have no problem picturing them both existing the same world, and one not being an expression of the other. Saying God and evolution are two ways of understanding the same thing would be like saying rain and toast are two ways of understanding the same thing. Far as I can tell, they are just two things. I don’t have a problem with evolution, or see myself in some opposition to it, or see God as an alternative to something that evolutionary theory is providing.

I disagree,

Id say God and evolution are the same thing, that is if God exists. I believe we are defining or understanding evolution here to be a force or a push that allows and possibly even sets up the laws for evolving to take place.

God on the other hand, is something I define to do the same thing. God, ultimately being the omniscient, omniexperient result of an eternity of experience. Our experience of evolution is just that, the process of duration through a limited perspective or aspect of God. Were living out Gods evolutionary possibilities. In essence, God and the experiences and the experiencers of evolution are the same.

[Uccisore]

illativemindindeed

God on the other hand, is something I define to do the same thing. God, ultimately being the omniscient, omniexperient result of an eternity of experience. Our experience of evolution is just that, the process of duration through a limited perspective or aspect of God. Were living out Gods evolutionary possibilities. In essence, God and the experiences and the experiencers of evolution are the same.

Oh sure, if you happen to define ‘God’ in a way that makes it the same thing as evolution, that would be completely different. I’m just saying it’s not terribly common or necessary to do so: I was reading Dan~'s post as a way to synthesis what some people say about God and others say about evolution. My point is that I have a fairly typical understanding of both, and don’t why we need to put one in terms of the other.

[illativemindindeed]

@Uccisore

illativemindindeed

God on the other hand, is something I define to do the same thing. God, ultimately being the omniscient, omniexperient result of an eternity of experience. Our experience of evolution is just that, the process of duration through a limited perspective or aspect of God. Were living out Gods evolutionary possibilities. In essence, God and the experiences and the experiencers of evolution are the same.

Oh sure, if you happen to define ‘God’ in a way that makes it the same thing as evolution, that would be completely different. I’m just saying it’s not terribly common or necessary to do so: I was reading Dan~'s post as a way to synthesis what some people say about God and others say about evolution. My point is that I have a fairly typical understanding of both, and don’t why we need to put one in terms of the other.

I guess because so many people see them at odds with each other. Evolution is the language of science, or seemingly so. And God is the language of Faith’ists, those who have faith in this existence as it is, if I can create a word there.

Ultimately Dan’s post can relate to anything or anypart of existence. But here I choose to co-sign, particularly because there is so much disagreeance between them and both are loaded with conceptions and misconceptions.

Im not making God the same as evolution, its simply how I define or understand these two concepts. They differ in context, but in an ultimate sense, at least to me, they are the same.