God in Schools (Intelligent Design invading Evolution)

Do you think Intelligent Design belongs in secular public schools?

  • Yes, I know God made me, and you too! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
  • No, the public school system is SECULAR for a reason!
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I am typing the following word for word from the front page of The Washington Post, which I read on the morning of December 26th, 2004.

[size=150]Evolution Shares a Desk With ‘Intelligent Design’[/size]
By Micheal Powell
Washington Post Staff Writer

DOVER, Pa.—“God or Darwin?”

Lark Myers, a blond, 45-year-old gift shop owner, frames the question and answers it. “I definitely would prefer to believe that God created me than that I’m 50th cousin to a silverback ape,” she said. “What’s wrong with wanting our children to hear about all the holes in the theory of evolution?”

Charles Darwin, squeeze over. The school board in this small town in central Pennsylvania has voted to make the theory of evolution share a seat with another theory: God probably designed us.

If it survives a legal test, this school district of about 2,800 students could become the first in the nation to require that high school teachers at least mention the “intelligent design” theory. This theory holds that human biology and evolution are so complex as to require the creative hand of an intelligent force.

“The school board has taken the measured step of making students aware that there are other viewpoints on the evolution of species,” said Richard Thompson, of the Thomas More Law Center, which represents the board and describes its over-all mission as defending “the religious freedom of Christians.”

Board members have been less gaurded, and their comments go well beyond intelligent design theory. William Buckingham, the board’s curriculum chairman, explained at a meeting last June that Jesus died on the cross and “someone has to take a stand” for him. Other board members say they believe that God created Earth and mankind sometime in the past ten thousand years or so.

“If the Bible is right, God created us,” said John Rowand, an Assemblies of God pastor and a newly appointed school board member. “If God did it, it’s history and it’s also science.”

This strikes some parents and teachers, not to mention most evolutionary biologists, as loopy science. Eleven parents have joined the American Civil LIberies Union and filed suit in federal court in Harrisburg seeking to block mention of intelligent design in high school biology, arguing it is religious belief dressed in the cloth of science.

“It’s not science; it’s a theocratic idea,” Bryan Rehm, a former science teacher in Dover and a father of four. “We don’t have enough time for science in the classroom as it is—this is innapropriate.”

This is a battle fought in many corners of the nation. In Charles County, school board members recently suggested discarding biology textbooks “biased toward evolution.” In Cobb County, in suburban Atlanta, the local school baord ordered that stickers be placed inside the front cover of science textbooks stating: “Evolution is a theory, not a fact.” State education boards in Ohio and Kansas have wrestled with this issue, as well.

In 1987, the U.S. Supreme Court seemed to settle this question, ruling that Louisiana could not make creationism a part of the science curriculum. The state, Justice William J. Brennan wrote, cannot “restructure the science curriculum to conform with a particular religious viewpoint.” (Justice Antonin Scalia dissented, arguing that creationism could be “valuable scientific data that has been censored from the classrooms by an embarrassed scientific establishment.”)

Of late, conservative school boards have launched a counteroffensive, often marching under the banner of intelligent design. This theory has lingered on the margins of mainstrem scientific discourse with just enough intellectual heft to force its way into some discussions of evolutionary theory.

Essentially intelligent design posits that the human cell, among other organisms, is too finely tuned to have developed by chance. “The human cell is irreducibly complex—what we find in the cell is stuff that looks strongly like it was designed by an intelligence,” said Micheal J. Behe, a biology professor at Lehigh University and leading advocate of intelligent design.

Behe acknowledges thiks theory might lead one to postulate the existence of a supernatural force, such as God. But he said this is unknown and rejects those who would portray him as a creationist. “Our starting point is from science, not from Scripture,” Behe said.

Few biologists buy that. There is, they say, a central evolutionary theory embraced by mainstream scientists worldwide: That life on Earth has evoluved over billions of years and in fits and starts from one-celled organisms to modern humans. That this thoery is pockmarked with unexplained gaps, and subject to debate, is how science is crafted.

“People have an impatience about science,” said Kennenth R. Miller, a Brown University biologist and author of the biology textbook used at Dover. “They think it’s this practical process that explains how everything works, but that’s the least interesting part. We understand a lot of the mechanism of evolution but it’s what we don’t understand that makes it exciting.”

Even today many residents are not sure how Dover, a former farm hamlet become a bedroom community for York and Harrisburg, came to occupy the ramparts in a century-long war over Darwin’s theories.

In the 18th century, an erudite French shopkeeper settled in this valley and gave the name Voltaire to his village. German and English settlers, a local history notes, soon discovered that Voltaire was “a French athiest” and “a disbeliever in revealed theology” and changed the town’s name.

Dover’s modern politics are resolutely Republican—President Bush polled 65 percent of the vote here—and its cultural values are Christian, with an evangelical tinge. To drive its rolling back roads is to count dozens of churches, from Lutheran to United Chruch of Christ, Baptist, Pentecostal and Assemblies of God.

Many here speak of a personal relationship with Christ and of their antipathy to evolutionary theory (A Gallup poll found that 35 percent of Americans do not believe in evolution). Steve Farrell, a friendly man and owner of a landscaping business, talked of Darwin and God in the Giant shopping center parking lot. “We are teaching our children a theory that most of us don’t believe in.” He shook his head. “I don’t think God creates everything on a day-to-day basis, like the color of the sky. But I do believe that he created Adam and Eve—instantly.”

Back in the town center, Norma Botterbusch talks in her jewelry store, which has been a fixture here for 40 years. “We are a very lenient town,” she said. “But why should a minority get to file a lawsuit and dictate school policy? Most of our kids already know who created them.”

The evolution revolution in Dover began as a dispute about property taxes. Teh previous school board spent too much money, and a conservative group defeated them. Last June, board member Buckingham criticized a new biology textbook as “laced with Darwinism.” He added, according to the ACLU’s lawsuit, that “our country was founded on Christianity and our students should be taught as such.”

Neither Buckingham nor the board president nor the school superintendent responded to requests for interviews.

In October, the Dover school board passed this motion: “Students will be made aware of gaps/problems in Darwin’s theory and of other theories of evolution including, but not limited to, intelligent design. Note: Origins of Life is not taught.”

Several board members resigned in protest. When the remaining board members chose replacements, they subjected certain candidates to withering questions. “I was asked if I was a liberal or conservative, and if I was a child abuser,” recalled Rehm, who was known as an outspoken opponent of intelligent design.

In the end, the York Daily Record reported the board picked a fundamentalist preacher, a home-schooler who does not send his kids to public school for religious reasons, and two more who in effect pledged to support the board.

Dover’s evolution policy has left many teachers deeply uncomfortable. One science teacher noted that he avoids talking about the origins of life. “We don’t do the monkey-to-man controversy,” he said. “It’s just not worht the trouble.”

The Discovery Institute in Seatle, which is regarded as a leader in intelligent design theory, also opposes the Dover school board’s policy in part because it seems to take three steps into old-fashioned creationism. “This theory needs to be debated in teh scientific sphere,” said Paul West, a senior fellow. “It’s much too soon to require anyone to teach it in high school.”

Miller, the Brown University biologist and textbook author, hopes the day that it is taught in high school never arrives. “It’s very clear that intelligent design has become a stalking-horse,” Miller said. “If these school boards had their durthers, they would teach Noah’s flood and the 6,000-year-old design of the Earth.”

“My fear is that they are making real headway in the popular imagination.”

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there needs to be a philosophy class. intelligent design can be taught in the unit on philosophy of religion, and so can evolution, or in a unit on philosophy of science. the bottom line is a philosophy underlies them both. (scientism or naturalism for evolution… you know, say if they’re taking an ontology, and creationism or something for IDH).

if i were making the education system everyone would have a solid footing in philosophy before going too deep into any subject. philosophy is the subject of all subjects. leaving out philosophy and teaching science or religion is like looking at the leaves and branches of the tree without the roots.

in my highschool there was no philosophy class. we went WAY WAY to far into all this math and science and history that is a TOTAL waste of time for anyone who didn’t pursue it (and when you think about it, all the crap that was taught, one person can only specialize in one thing… so soo much waste/inefficiency). i don’t use nomenclature or calculus now, for sakes, but as a huge problem with the system i needed them to get into university. we don’t make well rounded people by going that deep into subjects with students… we fine tune their vision enough to make them blind.

everything stands on a philosophy. these are what should be taught. and thats it, until the student is ready to commit, or work toward a career, or interest, or whatever.

i guess the problem is philosophy is like the sun on a bright day… when it should be so obvious that it makes possible our looking at everything else, it itself is impossible to look at. and you need a foggy day, when everything else doesn’t look so clear to be able to look at the sun.

and by the way, that haggling to get creationism taught in science class is propagandized… that is christian america wanting more stake in the education system… that is not an clear-headed, unbiased call for equity in the class room.
and the guy who wrote Darwin’s Black Box and so on (…cuz thats bound to come up), criticing evolution based on fossil records and so on… he is a lawyer, not a biologist, and he is payed well by christian groups to be their voice box with legitimacy in the non-crazyman world.

I agree with you on that one Monooq. Yet the only way such a thing were to come to pass is if Philosophy majors accept the crap-salary jobs at high schools instead of colleges. People don’t realize, the earlier you spark a mind, the faster it will grasp the concept. Your post has put the idea in my mind to think about teaching General Philosophy at a high school…afterall, before there can be a revolution, there must first be a vision.

Unfortunately, the problem today is most conservatives who are trying to push creationism into science curriculums are doing it specifically as a countermeasure in the war against evolution. They are literally pouring gasoline on the flame, intentionally denying the chance to make a separate class that would teach creationism because then that would mean defeat to them. As they cannot accept defeat, they choose to attack instead of compromise.

Nicely put, Monooq!!

I couldn’t agree more. Problem is, most people think of “philosophy” as some sort of metaphysical bullshit that no one cares about. At my school both philosophy and theology were requirements, but it was a little catholic school and they could teach whatever the hell they wanted. As it stands, teachers have so many requirements in making sure everyone reaches some basic level of reading, writing, math that they have no time for anything else (i am not sure why exactly it takes so long to get people to be able to read, write, and add, but apparently it does)

As for having philo teachers, I could see classes being taught more as history of philosophy. One required class, full year, goes through the basics of history of Western thought. If people want to delve into things with more detail they can, if they want a broader basis of intelletual thought (i.e. non-western, things not fully covered in class) they are welcome to do it themselves. But this sort of class would at least give them some sort of sampler of what is out there. There are two major, practical benefits that I see for a history of philo class (1) you avoid talking about nasty things like “truths” that can get you in trouble with every side of every issue, and (2) a teacher doesn’t need to know much philo beyond a simple amount necessary for a very broad survey. Most such knowledge could be derived from a good text book. Of course this is not the best type of class, but I think for a general class offered to all high school students, it would be the most practical

Intelligent Design has already been refuted, so why bother discussing it?

Sorry for being a joy-killer. :unamused:

Gravity is a theory, not a fact.

Welcome to the second coming of the Dark Ages.

I agree that philosophy should be taught, but I fail to see how that would enable us to study creationism (let’s call it what it is) using the scientific method. I know of no other scientific theory which incorporates the supernatural into its hypothesis.

ok here we go, my attempt to put god into practical science.

[SARCASM]
God started evolution.

God pulls us down, and that’s how gravity works.

God set the laws of physics, so the speed of sound is roughly 740 MPH.

God sets the speed of light, so it takes roughly 8 minutes for light to travel from the sun to the earth.

there, god is now incorporated into theory.

:slight_smile:

skythe i think what you wanted to say was “something created the universe, it either had no idea what was going on, or it did. god made me sad so hes a jerk if he exists. christians say hes a nice guy. nice guys dont make me sad. therefore he does not exist”

id say intelligent design is more sound than that one.

I suspect that offering a class in philosophy would be seen by the fundamentalists as secular brainwashing. Perhaps a class in methods of inquiry? Mayhaps a bit of formal logic included? Any offering that helps teach how to think rather than what to think. The fundamentalists are far more interested in teaching young people what to think than they are in teaching how to think. Thinking is dangerous.

JT

lol, you said it yourself.

they don’t want a “philosophy” or “thinking” class taught. They want you to know there is an alternative “intelligent design” let’s be honest though, intelligent design could be aliens as much as god.

So let’s say it is Aliens. Did the Aliens evolve or did intelligent design intervene for them as well, and they were brought up by another group of aliens?

but, teaching young people to think for themselves is definately not the goal of any traditional religion.

Well, there are tidbits of evidence to support that theory as a logically scientific explaination for something like the missing link in our evolutionary track. Erick von Daniken certainly wrote extensively about it, and made it sound logically possible.

Actually, it’s not just religion, it’s the whole authority system. The public schools, your parents, and of course the government. If you start thinking for yourself, you begin to question their power over you, and they don’t want that. So they avoid allowing you to think for yourself.

Heh… :evilfun:

kain: (walks into a local catholic church points the finger at the priest giving mass) “Your god is an asshole!” (a sudden wave of disbelief spreads through the congregation)

priest: “Come now child, I am giving mass. Could we not discuss this another time, in private?”

kain: “No, and don’t call me child! If you say your god is nice, why did he make me sad?”

priest: “Well, uhm…”

fatboy from mass: “Why did he make me fat?”

dumbass from mass: “And me stupid?”

priest: “Well, uhm…”

kain: “Your god is an asshole, if he exists! Why does something so divine contradict itself?”

priest: “Well, uhm…” (suddenly, the doors burst open again…)

future man: “Come and rejoice with me all of you! I am the new Jesus, and even moreso, I am better than him! Cast off your inhibitions and insecurities and find the strength within yourself! No longer should you put your life in the hands of something so easily disprovable as this mock-up of fantasy and fiction! Join me, and learn the truth!”

priest: “Don’t follow that heretic, his words are from the devil’s tongue!”

future man: “You fool! Your god is the devil! Look at how he temps you with golden chalices of old! You are so blinded by the light that you cannot see the difference between truth and deception!” (the crowd begins to leave the church, following future man)

kain: (approaches future man) “I don’t feel sad anymore.”

future man: “Why is that?”

kain: “Because I choose to be happy now, despite what his god wants me to be.”

future man: “Good, you are learning.”

priest: “Wait, you all can’t go…uhm…er…THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!!”

future man: “What power? Show me that power right now, bitch.”

priest: “Well, uhm…”

future man: “I thought so…bitch.”

(the congregation leaves, following their new jesus)

you can be the first pope. and im gonna change your name to… Rock Strongo

(how many jokes are there that reference the simpsons and the bible at the same time?!)

Too many… which reminds me, you ever notice how, indirectly, the simpsons bash Hinduism? Then again, that show is full of stereotypes that are equally funny.