God isn't dead just yet. (Part 2)

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What is the modern age beyond the “divine transformed into the human,” the “ecclesiastical transformed into the political,” the “doctrinal transformed into the scientific,” or, more generally, “crude dogmas” transformed into real concepts and laws?

What is the hallmark of our society known as “money” beyond being a magical incanted device that we use everyday religiously to rid all our physical and mental problems through the religious power of its ethos so that we don’t have to struggle in its place on our own?

With one flick of the wrist holding paper with inscribed symbols one can have all they desire.

With one sliding of a card the world is at one’s own magical disposal very seductively.

Money is salvation in religious economical systems for the more money one has the closer one can achieve worldy paradise and heaven.

Classism and conflict then becomes a fanatical war for individual paradise here on earth with consumers being merely byproducts of a religious lifestyle obssession.

The world is filled with “great ideas” and “good causes” where everyone comes to believe that such things are “theirs” yet very few people ever come to the realization that in reality very little choices or realities can ever be considered genuinely theirs at all. We infact take advantage of everyday reality quite frequently as to never question it at all.

God, immortality, freedom, humanity, are drilled into us from childhood as thoughts and feelings which move our inner being more or less strongly, either ruling us without our knowing it, or sometimes in rich natures manifesting themselves in systems and works, of art; but are always not aroused, but imparted, feelings, because we must believe in them and cling to them or so atleast because God and the state pronounces that we must.

Religion and humanism has always aimed to deliver us from a life determined by nature, from the appetites as actuating us, and so has meant that men should not let themselves be determined by their appetites.

The spirit of god has not vanished even into the present for what used to flutter above our heads now remains below for it has transformed itself under the spirit of “humanity” or “mankind” itself as the spirit of “man”.

The alien form of “sacredness” still remains along with the “holy spirit”!

How we depart ourselves as individuals and what seeking impulses we may there succumb to, belongs, solely to our “private”; our public or state life is a purely “human” one.

Everything unhuman or “egoistic” that clings to us is degraded to a “private matter”.

The true man is one considered of the spiritual nation or the ideal “humanity” but the individual always remains the egoist.

What is the divine relevation of holy father god the state?

Does not holy father god the state publically declare and pronounce that all men strip off their individuality or isolation where discord and egoistic inequality dwells?

Does not holy father god the state pronounce that all men come to be
“the true men” of the nation and statist government?

Only by individual submission are the “rights of man” given!

Such stances are very religious in character as the religious man only assumes his “salvation and rights” by his individual submission to god.

Only ideal men may let you have your rights but never can you yourself ever take them by your own actions or accord as that is the actions of the unhuman egoist.

It then comes to be that the movement of commonality is that of the religious faithful.

Just like in the past where god was the highest ideal the state has become the new godly focal point.

To serve the state or the nation becomes the highest ideal, the state’s interest the highest interest, state service the highest honor.

The egoist lies sacrificed amongst the “sacred faith” of the state.

One must give up himself and live only for the state itself!

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We as individuals must not venture on anything unless it is given to us; we continue to live only by the grace of the giver.

You must not pick up a pin we are told, unless indeed you have got leave to do so. And got it from whom? From respect!

But what is respect? Sacred permission!

Again you are not to conceive a thought, speak a syllable, commit an action, that should have their warrant in you alone, instead of receiving it from morality or reason or humanity.

As soon as people seperated the “essence of man” from the real man, and judged the latter by the former, so they also seperated his action from him, and appraised it by “human value”.

Religious concepts are to decide everywhere, concepts to regulate life, concepts to rule.

Everything is sung according to concepts, and the real man, I , am compelled to live according to these conceptual laws .

But why should I the egoist consider any of these things? The spirit of humanity is not my spirit!

What is the economy beyond being a moral civic system in obssession and foundation of man’s religious ideals? Is it not man’s greatest temple?

Is not economicism all about men bending before the calls of others, to be tractable, to be humble, to give up their wills for an alien one which is set up as sacred law?

Isn’t economicism all about self abasement? To abase oneself before somthing sacredly higher.

He that abaseth himself shall be exalted!

All must practice piety, godliness and propriety!

A person of good breeding is one with “good maxism” we are told.

Good-for-nothings, thugs, rebels, deviants, slackers and revolutionaries are the people known as the “sinful” or more plainly they are the “egoists” that the state constantly warns us all about.

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But what is civilization through thousands of years of “civility” and “taming” of people through means of oppression and repression beyond religious pedagogic activity?

To not be civil or fit in the constraints of humanistic “mankind” is to denounce the “sacred”.

To fulfill the “sacred interests” of “mankind” is to sacrifice therefore this gives a whole new understanding on the subject of what economical and governmental groups call the status quo.

He who lives for a great idea, a good cause, a doctrine, a system, a lofty calling, may not let any worldly lusts, any self seeking interest, spring up in him we are constantly told for to be a “egoist” in this world is to renounce the sacred.

Spiritual men have taken into their head somthing that is to be realized. They have concepts of love, goodness, and the like, which they would like to see realized; therefore they want to set up a kingdom of love here on earth, in which noone any longer acts from selfishness, but each one “from love.” Love is to rule.

The road to ruin is thus paved with good intentions and the egoist to be abandoned.

To acknowledge somthing sacred is to address somthing more “mightier” than yourself and by doing that one surrenders their very selves at its disposal.

One is not just supposed to “acknowledge” the “sacred” but one is also to become bounded around the sacred in absolute surrender and submission.

Always in such things there lies somthing uncanny that is alien and not the individual’s own.

Before the sacred, people lose all sense of power and all confidence; they occupy a powerless and humble attitude toward it. And yet no thing is sacred of itself, but by my declaring it sacred, by my declaration, my judgement, by my bending of the knee; In short by my conscience.

I the egoist am the owner of the world of things and I alone am owner of the world of mind.

The foreign standpoint is the world of mind, of ideas, thoughts, concepts, essences; essentially they aspire towards heaven for eternal heaven is the struggle of “mankind” while “sacredness” is the ideal that seeks to tame egoistic appetites and primal desires of men.

All fixed ideas should be considered as “maxims”, “principles”, and “standpoints”.

Just as “ideals” are standpoints so is our fanaticism of “heaven”.

The love of “god” has transformed itself into the love of “mankind” for everything “truly human” is sacred!

Who is god? Mankind!

What is divine? The human!

Theology is anthropology only means that religion must be ethics, ethics alone is religion.

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And what is not called to be religion today?

The “religion of philosophy”, the “religion of brotherly love”, the “religion of freedom”, the " ideal political religion"- In short every enthusiasm.

In the end the relation of the “human essence” or “man” is that after shedding religion of an objective god we now see a new religion in its place but this new one is not that of above as it is more pressing to be “mankind” below.

Just as society becomes more secular pronouncing to shrug off religion it nonetheless remains religious in morals or ethos.

Religion holds society as a prisoner, and a prisoner under faith.

Moral faith is as fanatical as religious faith!

So then the religious heroes of faith are zealous for the “sacred god”, the moral ones for the “sacred good”.

Those who are zealous for somthing sacred often look just like each other for what is the difference between that which is considered the “religious” in comparison that that which is the “humanistic”?

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Men imagine great things, and depict to themselves a whole world of gods that has an existence for everyone, a spirit realm to which they suppose themselves to be called, and ideals that beckons to them.

As such they have fixed ideas!

The ancients, we see through the eyes of history, served the natural, the worldly, the natural order of the world, but they incessantly asked themselves of this service; and, when they had tired themselves to death in ever renewed attempts at revolt, then, among their last sighs, was born to them the god,the “conqueror of the world.”

But whether a poor fool of the insane asylum is possessed by the fancy that he is god the father, Napoleon the great, the emporer of Japan, the holy spirit, or whatnot, or whether a citizen in comfortable circumstances conceives that it is his mission to be a good christian, a honorable police man, a virtuous judge, an obedient soldier, a virtuous man, a good loyal citizen, a humble politician, and the like, is possessed and prepossessed by faith all the same.

As a visionary lives and has his world only in the visionary pictures that he himself creates, a crazy man generates for himself his own dream world without which he could not be crazy, so the spirit must create for itself its spirit world, and is not spirit till it creates it.

Only through a spiritual world is the spirit really spirit, for “this” world without an observer does not understand or recognize it.

It is precisely amongst cultured people that fanaticism is at home and as such cultures always advocate the fanatical interest of the sacred.

And, as the divine relevations were not written down by god with his own hand, but made public through “the lord’s instruments”, so also the new highest essence of “mankind” does not write out its relevations itself, but lets them come to our knowledge through so called “true men.”[/b]

[b]Isn’t “Man” perchance not a higher essence than an individual man, and must not the truths, rights and ideas which result from the concept of him be honored and - counted sacred, as revelations of this very concept?

“Mankind” reaches beyond every individual man, and yet- though he be “his own essence”- is not in fact his essence but a general and “higher”, yes, even for atheists “the highest essence.”

Look upon this cluster of so much “humanity” are we not all ghosts that await sacred deliverance?

Since the spirit appeared in the world, since “the word became flesh”, since then the world has become spiritualized.

In years past the essence of man’s supreme being by that of religion directed by the supreme being known as god regarded as an objective essence, but in reality it is only man’s own essence therefore today’s turning point of the world’s history is that henceforth no longer god, but “mankind”, is to appear to man as god.

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Against all that is not the spirit the so called virtuous acclaims you are the treacherous egoist!

The so called virtuous wants not to go into the otherworld, but to draw the other world to him, and compel it to become this world!

And since then has not all the world, with more or less consciousness, been crying that “this world” is the vital point, and heaven must come down on earth and be expirienced even here?

You live not to yourself, but to your spirit and to what is the spirit’s, that is, ideas.

The spirit is your ideal, the unattained, the otherworldy; spirit is the name of your god, “god is spirit.”

You come to despise the egoist because he puts the spiritual in the background as compared with the personal, and his eyes on himself where you would like to see him act to favor an ideal.

A person is considered repulsive as being a egoist for their refusal of taking any part in aspiring to a “abstract man.”

But isn’t embracing our ego what it is meant to be an individual?

Back of everything we find our courage, our own superiority; back of the sharp command of parents and so called authorities stands afterall our courageous choice or our outwitting shrewdness.


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“Mankind” looks only at itself, mankind will promote the interests of mankind only, mankind is its own cause.

That it may develop its causes and nations and individuals to wear themselves out in its service, and, when they have accomplised what mankind needs it throws them on the dung heap of history.

Is not mankind’s cause purely a egoistic cause?

I have no need to take up each thing that wants to throw its cause on myself and show that it is occupied only with itself, not with myself, only with its good, not with my benefit.

Does truth, freedom, humanity, god , justice, desire anything else other than that such things command us all to grow enthusiastic and serve them?

God obviously cares for noone but himself as he represents the “ultimate ego”.

Let me then likewise in return concern myself for myself, who am equally with god the nothing of all others, who am my all, who am the only one.

If god, if mankind, as you affirm, has substance enough in themselves to be all in all to themselves, then I feel that I shall still less lack that, and that I shall have no complaint to make of my “emptiness”.

I am nothing in the sense of emptiness, but I am the creative nothing, the nothing out of which I myself as the creator create everything.

Away with every concern that is not altogether my concern!

You think atleast the “good cause” must be my concern?

What’s good, what’s bad?

The divine is god’s concern; the human, “mankind’s”.

My concern is neither the “divine” nor the “human”, not the true, good, just, free, ect, but solely what is mine, and it is not a general one, but is unique, as I am unique.

Nothing shall be more to me than myself!

To hell with gods, ideals and authorities who seek to bring their ideal heaven on earth which seeks total abnegation of apathy here on earth as it concerns me not!

To hell with that which seeks that not I live, but instead the laws and morals lives in me with myself being a mere servile vessel of its so called sacredness!

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[i]I’ll write more on the subject of this thread later on.

  • The Joker.[/i]
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[b]Comments would be appreciated.

Anyhow I am out for the night. ( Will be back tomorrow night.)[/b]

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“God isn’t dead just yet.”

Yes he is. :sunglasses:

That was too much reading for me to do.
I like to be spoon-fed my philosophy. :laughing:

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Nuh-uh. :slight_smile:

God lives through the government and in ethics. [-X

:confused: But I worked really hard damnit. :stuck_out_tongue:

( I was also going to write even more later on. )

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Alright I will take out the bold. #-o

I just want some spiffy comments about this thread! :laughing:

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…don’t you think you’ve already written enough :wink:

My short attention span, of late: means I can’t read long posts, so I can’t comment: save to crack the above joke…

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](*,) that’s a lot to get through - I’ll see if I can make it to the end :-s

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Joker, am I correct in supposing that your arguement is this(bear with me):

God is a construct to under which people can be controlled through rules and ethics(fancy word for rules) that are dictated by one person/institution for the benefit of said person/institution. Leaders of nations used these religions as a cheap and lazy way of pacifying the people(I know this is basic but I’m building up to it). People will believe in the religions, because the religions play on their fears, death and the like.

Now in a world with vastly more complex governmental systems than the aforementioned nations, the need for such religions no longer exists.

The very complexity of these governments are now becoming the ethics systems of the now redundant religions. These governments play to the same fears as the religions did.

Government=Religion

Without Us You Will Die/Lose Freedom=Without Us You Go To Hell

Many comparisons can be made to support this:

Law=Sin
Prison=Hell
Monetary Success(which allows true freedom in these societies)=Heaven
The Saints and Prophets=The Founding Fathers

so on and so on.

Did I do good?

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