ok…here is what it is all about…
when you defy nature you are dead…
when you live according to nature you survive maybe…
it is that simple…we make it too hard
we make up some fantastic stories about reality…
but they are just stories written by guys who want something from you…
What nature? Human nature? The natural environment? And who are these guys who want something from me?
everything…
the universe…known and unknown…and everything in it…
ultimate reality…
the guys who write the sacred texts…they want us to behave
even the evils thoughts you are thinking
So centuries of spiritual insights were all in vain?

turtle:
Ierrellus:
What nature? Human nature? The natural environment? And who are these guys who want something from me?
everything…
the universe…known and unknown…and everything in it…
ultimate reality…
the guys who write the sacred texts…they want us to behave
even the evils thoughts you are thinkingSo centuries of spiritual insights were all in vain?
did I say that…what might you be talking about specifically…
when you defy nature you are dead…
I have flown many times in unnatural aluminum craft and I survived every time. I’m not the only one.

when you defy nature you are dead…
I have flown many times in unnatural aluminum craft and I survived every time. I’m not the only one.
you were not defying nature…when I use the term nature I include everything including physics…everything including your post
you were not defying nature…when I use the term nature I include everything including physics…everything including your post
Then you need to be much more clear. What is nature? What would be considered “defying nature”? What would be considered “living in accord with nature”?
You make blanket statements about such as 'these guys" without telling me who they are. Jesus? Buddha? Lao Tse? Who?

You make blanket statements about such as 'these guys" without telling me who they are. Jesus? Buddha? Lao Tse? Who?
why are you so upset…these guys are the guys that put hate into the bible…
why are you so upset…these guys are the guys that put hate into the bible…
Which parts of the NT are hate and which parts are love?

Ierrellus:
You make blanket statements about such as 'these guys" without telling me who they are. Jesus? Buddha? Lao Tse? Who?
why are you so upset…these guys are the guys that put hate into the bible…
And who are they?

you were not defying nature…when I use the term nature I include everything including physics…everything including your post
Then you need to be much more clear. What is nature? What would be considered “defying nature”? What would be considered “living in accord with nature”?
dont jump to conclusions so fast…
nature is the ultimate reality of everything…
why is that so hard to understand…
reality…whatever that is…that is god

turtle:
Ierrellus:
You make blanket statements about such as 'these guys" without telling me who they are. Jesus? Buddha? Lao Tse? Who?
why are you so upset…these guys are the guys that put hate into the bible…
And who are they?
you tell me…you know the bible…who talked about hell
Jesus talked about hell–parable about the rich man and Lazarus. Does this make him one of those guys you seem to see as enemies of Nature/reality?
duplicate
dont jump to conclusions so fast…
nature is the ultimate reality of everything…
why is that so hard to understand…
reality…whatever that is…that is god
Your statements are so general that they could mean almost anything.
I have no idea how you expect anyone to act in order to be in accord with nature.

Jesus talked about hell–parable about the rich man and Lazarus. Does this make him one of those guys you seem to see as enemies of Nature/reality?
cut the shit…you know what I am talking about

dont jump to conclusions so fast…
nature is the ultimate reality of everything…
why is that so hard to understand…
reality…whatever that is…that is godYour statements are so general that they could mean almost anything.
I have no idea how you expect anyone to act in order to be in accord with nature.
for gods sake phyllo…I’ll give you an example…if you step off the top of a ladder you fall down and get an ow ow

Ierrellus:
Jesus talked about hell–parable about the rich man and Lazarus. Does this make him one of those guys you seem to see as enemies of Nature/reality?
cut the shit…you know what I am talking about
No. I can’t say that I do. It’s a simple question: who are these guys?